LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - Page 13

Siberian13 · 11-28-2018, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by starvela

well his answer to that was included in his post.. "I said just by miracle if card grades a 9 you owe me 3k extra and if card grades a 9.5 you owe me 10k extra"

but then card graded an 8 or 7.5 which would justify the "miracle' part of his sentence....

Maybe he din't know about trimming but they told him they have a way with the sexy graders at BGS?

jjeanius · 11-28-2018, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveO21

This is what I've been thinking since about 2 pages ago. I think, based on other info we've gotten in this thread, that it's entirely possible BNC/sohrob told rookies that "I/we can almost guarantee we can get this card to grade a 9 and when it does we'll give you some extra $", then they submit it "as-is" with the damage rookies was aware of and it only grades the 8 and BNC/sohrob basically say "aww shucks! Really thought it would grade higher. Sorry, no extra money for you." So that deal is now finalized, rookies doesn't receive his bonus $ and is none the wiser to the scam that is about to happen, and BNC/sohrob can get to trimming to get the card up to a BGS 9 like they knew they could all along.

If the intention was always to trim and bump, why bother to send the card in prior to trimming in the first place? Just to void the bonus offer...? That seems unnecessarily risky (to send the same card in twice over a couple of months, once damaged, and then undamaged).

SteveO21 · 11-28-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jjeanius

If the intention was always to trim and bump, why bother to send the card in prior to trimming in the first place? Just to void the bonus offer...? That seems unnecessarily risky (to send the same card in twice over a couple of months, once damaged, and then undamaged).

Maybe, maybe not. The grading companies clearly don't pay that much attention to what they're grading so it wouldn't shock me to know that they graded the same card twice in a matter of a couple months.

Siberian13 · 11-28-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jjeanius

If the intention was always to trim and bump, why bother to send the card in prior to trimming in the first place? Just to void the bonus offer...? That seems unnecessarily risky (to send the same card in twice over a couple of months, once damaged, and then undamaged).

So it was graded within a couple of months twice and BGS still couldn't figure it out. Sounds like a company operated by a bunch of clowns. How much would they charge each time for a card like this one? I assume it's more for a high end card like that but have no clue.

Siberian13 · 11-28-2018, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveO21

Maybe, maybe not. The grading companies clearly don't pay that much attention to what they're grading so it wouldn't shock me to know that they graded the same card twice in a matter of a couple months.

Were these mailed in to be graded? Or would they grade these at one of those big shows/national?

starvela · 11-28-2018, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jjeanius

If the intention was always to trim and bump, why bother to send the card in prior to trimming in the first place? Just to void the bonus offer...? That seems unnecessarily risky (to send the same card in twice over a couple of months, once damaged, and then undamaged).

Because maybe perhaps after deal was finalized with card being graded an 8 or 7.5, BNC or rohrob decided on their own to try a little something....and boom, it worked...The answer is GREED!!

SteveO21 · 11-28-2018, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Were these mailed in to be graded? Or would they grade these at one of those big shows/national?

No idea, and there's no way I'm sorting through this thread to try to figure that out. lol!

Ultimate conspiracy theory tinfoil hat question here but screw it, this thread has led us here...

Any chance BNC and/or sohrob work for or are close with someone who works for BGS?

Homerun · 11-28-2018, 10:53 AM

Between the McGehee thread, the silver packs, and now this, Blowout has been wild lately.

SteveO21 · 11-28-2018, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Homerun

Between the McGehee thread, the silver packs, and now this, Blowout has been wild lately.

Apparently, I've missed a lot of drama lately, since I haven't been on very much the past few weeks. Time to do some reading...

AbraCalabro · 11-28-2018, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveO21

No idea, and there's no way I'm sorting through this thread to try to figure that out. lol!

Ultimate conspiracy theory tinfoil hat question here but screw it, this thread has led us here...

Any chance BNC and/or sohrob work for or are close with someone who works for BGS?

Don't worry about theorizing on anything, none of the people directly involved are posting anything of substance and then people will complain that we come up with crazy ideas because, you know, we're jealous, angry, bitter, haters, etc. By the way, what you posted a little earlier makes a lot of sense and seems to fill in all the cracks in this thread.

jlzinck · 11-28-2018, 11:01 AM

People steal toilet paper and tampons from the bathrooms at my job why does it surprise ANYONE that people with morals and ethics that are lacking would do something like this for real money......

ballhawkdawk · 11-28-2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jlzinck

People steal toilet paper and tampons from the bathrooms at my job why does it surprise ANYONE that people with morals and ethics that are lacking would do something like this for real money......

It doesn’t surprise me. It surprises me that people are surprised. Half of them probably aren’t even loyal to their spouses, neglect their kids, etc. Then hop on their high horse when it comes to trading cards. Of course most dealings go pretty well when you’re giving someone cash for cardboard. That’s not really a measure of a person’s character. You dangle a five or six figure carrot out there and all the sudden the rationale is that it’s just cardboard, not murder, and I can profit from a little bit of shady behavior here and there. Hardly surprising.

KhalDrogo · 11-28-2018, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveO21

This is what I've been thinking since about 2 pages ago. I think, based on other info we've gotten in this thread, that it's entirely possible BNC/sohrob told rookies that "I/we can almost guarantee we can get this card to grade a 9 and when it does we'll give you some extra $", then they submit it "as-is" with the damage rookies was aware of and it only grades the 8 and BNC/sohrob basically say "aww shucks! Really thought it would grade higher. Sorry, no extra money for you." So that deal is now finalized, rookies doesn't receive his bonus $ and is none the wiser to the scam that is about to happen, and BNC/sohrob can get to trimming to get the card up to a BGS 9 like they knew they could all along.

Love this theory! I think it’s important to propagate this one. Maybe it will bait BNC to come in!

RYBOWSKI97 · 11-28-2018, 11:35 AM

bnc bought card and said he was going to resubmit and hope for higher grade and would pay extra if the card did grade higher. he trimmed card, it worked and got higher grade. rookies im sure knew what he was doing or they would be no bonus offer. its relatively simple to figure out. whats really sad is no matter if its high end of low end there is so much shadiness everywhere in this hobby.

starvela · 11-28-2018, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

bnc bought card and said he was going to resubmit and hope for higher grade and would pay extra if the card did grade higher. he trimmed card, it worked and got higher grade. rookies im sure knew what he was doing or they would be no bonus offer. its relatively simple to figure out. whats really sad is no matter if its high end of low end there is so much shadiness everywhere in this hobby.

Remember, BNC didn't offer this, rookies just suggested this, from his post:

"I said just by miracle if card grades a 9 you owe me 3k extra and if card grades a 9.5 you owe me 10k extra."

Key word, "miracle", meaning he knew it likely wouldn't or shouldn't...Then it was graded an 7.5 or 8 and deal was finalized and done...Then later, after the fact, card shows up on BNC website graded a BGS 9...So, "if" all this true, the following happened...BNC or rohrob decided on their own to try a little something....and boom, it worked!! Greed!!

oh, and there is still another BGS 9 at question...

RYBOWSKI97 · 11-28-2018, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by starvela

Remember, BNC didn't offer this, rookies just suggested this, from his post:

"I said just by miracle if card grades a 9 you owe me 3k extra and if card grades a 9.5 you owe me 10k extra."

Key word, "miracle", meaning he knew it likely wouldn't or shouldn't...Then it was graded an 7.5 or 8 and deal was finalized and done...Then later, after the fact, card shows up on BNC website graded a BGS 9...So, "if" all this true, the following happened...BNC or rohrob decided on their own to try a little something....and boom, it worked!! Greed!!

oh, and there is still another BGS 9 at question...

im not sure about that, if there was talk of bonus money a card of this value im sure people knew what was going on it doesnt matter if rookies thought he might get a bump cause of his reputation, either way it was shady

starvela · 11-28-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

im not sure about that, if there was talk of bonus money a card of this value im sure people knew what was going on it doesnt matter if rookies thought he might get a bump cause of his reputation, either way it was shady

There was no chance for a bump, the card was submitted raw and it graded 7.5/8 as expected by him suggesting it would be a miracle if it graded higher and so deal was finalized and done.. Obviously just going by what rookies said on his post..if his story is true, it all makes sense as to what happened...

discostu · 11-28-2018, 12:04 PM

Silly graders, rulers need not apply.

After reviewing a BGS submission form, I'm actually kind of surprised that there is no clause regarding the submission of knowingly altered cards.

It's obvious that money is the #1 focus of BGS and those submitting altered cards, but this should really be a far bigger story with far bigger implications.

If Beckett was indeed a "leader" in the industry, this is something they would want to combat, however, since they entered the grading realm, they have been far more conflicted in every aspect.

pingbling23 · 11-28-2018, 12:40 PM

halfway through the thread. my take..... nobody is buying cards in this echelon and not researching the card before buying. it would have been very easy to do your homework on the card and see that it has been altered. my guess, they bought it from a friend and knew that is was altered but didnt care since it had already passed through beckett. maybe ill learn more as i read, back to it now.

starvela · 11-28-2018, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

halfway through the thread. my take..... nobody is buying cards in this echelon and not researching the card before buying. it would have been very easy to do your homework on the card and see that it has been altered. my guess, they bought it from a friend and knew that is was altered but didnt care since it had already passed through beckett. maybe ill learn more as i read, back to it now.

It gets better, read it all...

dogzman · 11-28-2018, 12:56 PM

Awesome thread and read the whole thing.

Maybe a suggestion (if it hasn't been done) is to start a sticky pin post on proven altered high end cards like this so people can easily reference in the future.
Maybe before and after pics or something included.

jjeanius · 11-28-2018, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dogzman

Awesome thread and read the whole thing.

Maybe a suggestion (if it hasn't been done) is to start a sticky pin post on proven altered high end cards like this so people can easily reference in the future.
Maybe before and after pics or something included.

Fantastic idea!

Might also be good to note basic transfer of ownership (when available)

chuckerrrr · 11-28-2018, 01:11 PM

So if Eric doesnt speak out and tell his side of the story where do we go from here? Boycott Buy Nice Cards? Because unless he speaks out I will be. Oh and word gets around quickly with technology. If he is innocent he would come on here and clear his name.

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KhalDrogo · 11-28-2018, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckerrrr

So if Eric doesnt speak out and tell his side of the story where do we go from here? Boycott Buy Nice Cards? Because unless he speaks out I will be. Oh and word gets around quickly with technology. If he is innocent he would come on here and clear his name.

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I would personally not touch anything I can trace back to him.

Others can do as they wish.

pingbling23 · 11-28-2018, 01:17 PM

yep, it was worth the read. im convinced that rookies, eric, and sohob all knew what was going on. rookies has been scorned so hes ratting. who had you post this thread cardsdownunder and give you all the details for your op? or is this something you stumbled upon and did some digging. we should sticky threads like this where cards are proven altered or fake and the names associated around them are included.

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RYBOWSKI97 Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: northeast ohio Posts: 4,450 rybowski97	bnc bought card and said he was going to resubmit and hope for higher grade and would pay extra if the card did grade higher. he trimmed card, it worked and got higher grade. rookies im sure knew what he was doing or they would be no bonus offer. its relatively simple to figure out. whats really sad is no matter if its high end of low end there is so much shadiness everywhere in this hobby. __________________ PC- Jordan, Antoine Walker, Favre, LT, Gooden 80'S-90'S RCS & INSERTS GRADED STAR & HOF RCS Son PC--Trout, Lindor, Westbrook, Lebron, OBJ, B Mayfield, Cleveland teams and OSU players

11-28-2018, 12:04 PM	#318
discostu Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 7,990	Silly graders, rulers need not apply. After reviewing a BGS submission form, I'm actually kind of surprised that there is no clause regarding the submission of knowingly altered cards. It's obvious that money is the #1 focus of BGS and those submitting altered cards, but this should really be a far bigger story with far bigger implications. If Beckett was indeed a "leader" in the industry, this is something they would want to combat, however, since they entered the grading realm, they have been far more conflicted in every aspect. __________________ Every day I start to ooze.

11-28-2018, 12:56 PM	#321
dogzman Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: International Man of Mystery Posts: 1,235 FomoCards	Awesome thread and read the whole thing. Maybe a suggestion (if it hasn't been done) is to start a sticky pin post on proven altered high end cards like this so people can easily reference in the future. Maybe before and after pics or something included. __________________ Lifetime ban on Upper Deck due to non redemption of Lebron patch auto.

11-28-2018, 12:40 PM	#319
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15,961 pingbling23	halfway through the thread. my take..... nobody is buying cards in this echelon and not researching the card before buying. it would have been very easy to do your homework on the card and see that it has been altered. my guess, they bought it from a friend and knew that is was altered but didnt care since it had already passed through beckett. maybe ill learn more as i read, back to it now.

11-28-2018, 01:11 PM	#323
chuckerrrr Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Georgetown TX Posts: 3,445 charger21	LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged So if Eric doesnt speak out and tell his side of the story where do we go from here? Boycott Buy Nice Cards? Because unless he speaks out I will be. Oh and word gets around quickly with technology. If he is innocent he would come on here and clear his name. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-28-2018, 01:17 PM	#325
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15,961 pingbling23	yep, it was worth the read. im convinced that rookies, eric, and sohob all knew what was going on. rookies has been scorned so hes ratting. who had you post this thread cardsdownunder and give you all the details for your op? or is this something you stumbled upon and did some digging. we should sticky threads like this where cards are proven altered or fake and the names associated around them are included.