Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[Bruin7]

You figure 1 solid name per box; $1k is about right for high-end given the checklist. However tough to justify right now before Christmas. I'm sure it will sell out though.

ACS

[Ferg1945]

For those thinking about it.... just look at Transcendent and let that help you decide.

Retired and Current....

Keep in mind... it very easily could be....

Barry Larkin

Cody Bellinger

Don Mattingly

David Ortiz

Dave Winfield

Greg Maddux

Ian Happ

Johnny Bench

Josh Donaldson

Jim Thome

Noah Syndergaard

Pedro Martinez

Rod Carew

Rickey Henderson

Reggie Jackson

Tom Seaver


Nice names right.... just look at what the Transcendent cards sell for and realize you will get 4 of those and 1 star (Acuna, Soto, Trout, Ichiro...etc) per box.

[sandlotsportcards]

What gives me reservation is it sounds like $1000 for just 5 autos. If it was a set plus autos it’d be an easier decision. Some of those names like Justin Upton won’t bring much more than a typical release regardless of how high end it is.

[sonnyday]

This is going to be a blood bath.

[MPS6]

I'm reading this as you get 5 autos, plus at least one set. Either the Design 1 (50 card) set or the Design 2 (55 card) set. With a chance of getting both. If they do 1000 boxes and everyone gets 5 autos, there is a max, assuming even distribution, of 10 autos per player.

Am I crazy for coming to those conclusions?

[yrocks2001]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

For those thinking about it.... just look at Transcendent and let that help you decide.

Retired and Current....

Keep in mind... it very easily could be....

Barry Larkin

Cody Bellinger

Don Mattingly

David Ortiz

Dave Winfield

Greg Maddux

Ian Happ

Johnny Bench

Josh Donaldson

Jim Thome

Noah Syndergaard

Pedro Martinez

Rod Carew

Rickey Henderson

Reggie Jackson

Tom Seaver


Nice names right.... just look at what the Transcendent cards sell for and realize you will get 4 of those and 1 star (Acuna, Soto, Trout, Ichiro...etc) per box.

As a huge fan of Transcendent these aren’t that. Transcendent has a beautiful design and is inflated by the much higher box price. This just doesn’t look like a good product.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by yrocks2001

On side note the membership set has a nice design


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That actually looks decent, if that set has Acuna, Soto, Ohtani, Torres, Trout... that's a decent start.

I still think the $1000 BC box is a ripoff

[sixtyfeet]

It’s not really a ‘set’ if you only get five cards. I’d probably buy if it was a full base set with the designs plus five autos but not just 5 cards. If anyone wants my reservation message me. I’ll be buying a few singles instead.

Edit: I’m also irritated by the lack of info in the email. No release or ship date. No link to the checklist and they want me to fill in a Google doc and have a card on file after the data breach this year with no option for PayPal checkout? Come on Topps, do better.

[GoBeavs]

Really Topps?! For about the same price as Dynasty/Luminaries/etc, you're sending uglier cards, with NO patches, or chances for amazing cut autos.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by yrocks2001

As a huge fan of Transcendent these aren’t that. Transcendent has a beautiful design and is inflated by the much higher box price. This just doesn’t look like a good product.

It is a beautiful set... did that add value to the cards?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Topps-...oAAOSwnJtb9gVH


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Topps-...0AAOSw8cFb67BG


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-TOPPS-...EAAOSwwhxb6zRv

This is what you will get for $1000.... all 3 of those... plus 1 more... and a Soto!

[sandlotsportcards]

Interesting that each design has a slightly different subject list. Looks like no auto numbered over 25

[SaveMeTheGum]

Did anyone get a confirmation email after you submit your reservation? I submitted and got the "Your response has been recorded" on the site, but I did not get an email confirming anything. Just checking. Thanks.

[yrocks2001]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

It is a beautiful set... did that add value to the cards?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Topps-...oAAOSwnJtb9gVH


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Topps-...0AAOSw8cFb67BG


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-TOPPS-...EAAOSwwhxb6zRv

Haha no I agree with you I think that this will do way worse than Transcendent on design alone. Transcendent Cards in person are super nice and maybe these will be but dropping $1000 on a chance for a Justin Upton auto doesn’t sit well. Even if they guaranteed the best name on the checklist you’d lose money.

[D-Lite]

Seems like the $1k pays for more than 5 autos:


Membership includes multiple items by itself and the Brooklyn Collection hopefully a set with those 5 autos.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Did anyone get a confirmation email after you submit your reservation? I submitted and got the "Your response has been recorded" on the site, but I did not get an email confirming anything. Just checking. Thanks.

Nothing here yet.

[yrocks2001]

Originally Posted by D-Lite

Seems like the $1k pays for more than 5 autos:

That’s part of what you get for the 582 membership the Brooklyn Collection is $1000 and does appear to be just 5 auto cards

[boston12]

This is not a good start. No chance I’m spending $1K without knowing possibilities.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by D-Lite

Seems like the $1k pays for more than 5 autos:

Most of that stuff comes with the $200 membership. The $1000 box is the exclusive Brooklyn Collection box.

[cj828282]

Still, what would be resale value be for a sealed box? I think it would be pretty good with only 1000 boxes.

[okumeister]

If every player signed the base #/25, red #/15, Black #/10, Purple #/5, Platinum #/1, there should be 5,600 cards.
But only 5,000 cards exist (5 x 1,000 sets).
So, not only that the auto list is underwhelming, but also some of the top tier guys are probably not signing the base versions or skipping some parallels.
Though this might be the same with any other product, to think of this for a $1,000 box really keeps me away from buying the product.

[sixtyfeet]

Originally Posted by D-Lite

Seems like the $1k pays for more than 5 autos:

No that’s what you get for the $200 membership fee. This is separate from that.

[1989FF]

Originally Posted by djohn

I am hoping they list a little more info regarding the Brooklyn set before I plop down $1k for it. That being said, this is a $1,000,000 revenue generator for Topps (1,000 sets at $1k each). I would hope they provide at least a little more info, considering how much revenue it will instantly generate.
My other concern is that they already defined the print run to 1,000 boxes. What happens if it doesn't sell out. These are supposed to be only available to 582 members, but I am not sure enough of the members are going to be willing to drop $1k blindly without knowing at least a little bit more of what the box will include. Will I see these sets in bulk on Blowout or some other reseller, who got a great deal to buy out the rest of Topps inventory on these when they don't sell out?

I would doubt (hope) they don't move unsold inventory to non members. That would kill the exclusive angle and hurt the brand.

I would assume "extras" would be made avail. to Montgomery members to purchase.

[Ferg1945]

If they did dual autos... this set could be big.

Ichiro/Matsui

Judge/Jeter

Trout/Ohtani

Bryant/Rizzo

etc etc etc

[SaveMeTheGum]

I feel like Topps really needs to deliver big on this one. They've messed around with Now too much. Interest is starting to fade a bit with Living. But those are both small dollar risks. If they blow it on this one, it will be really bad for them. For that reason, I hope they really deliver with these sets. If not, we're all $1200 poorer and dumber...

[DaRitz]

$1000 for five cards.

105 cards on the checklists. (Some players are on both checklists.)

Each card on the checklist, presumably, has a /25, /15, /10, /5, /1.

Rough odds, on your 5 cards, are:
2.2 cards numbered /25
1.3 cards numbered /15
.89 cards numbered /10 (1 in 1.12 packs)
.44 cards numbered /5 (1 in 2.24 packs)
.09 cards numbered /1 (1 in 11.2 packs)


Players with cards in both sets: Beltre, McCutchen, Pettitte, Rizzo, Gibson, Bo Jackson, Bernie Williams, Biggio, Chipper Jones, Ripken, Mattingly, Ortiz, Lindor, Frank Thomas, Maddux, Springer, Sanchez, Torres, Matsui, Ivan Rodriguez, Altuve, Bench, Bagwell, deGrom, Soto, Votto, KBryant, McGwire, Machado, Piazza, Trout, Tanaka, Nolan Ryan, Syndergaard, Pedro Martinez, Acuna, Clemens, Devers, Henderson, Randy Johnson, Reggie Jackson, Ohtani, Molina.

Players with half as many cards as those listed above: Judge, Kaline, Rosario, Harper, Larkin, Jeter, Sale, Freeman, Hank Aaron, Justin Upton, Brock, Rivera, Ozzie Smith, Alomar, Carew, Hoskins, Koufax, Sandberg, Will Clark.


I'm not doing it. Way too much risk. Kind of an odd offering as the first item for people who paid $200... and haven't seen anything yet.

If they built some credibility from the membership first, I might be interested, but it's an odd first offering.



Edit: With 105 cards on the checklists, and 56 numbered cards of each, that comes to 5880 cards, or 1176 total packs. But they said limited to 1000. So they either (1) rounded, or (2) many of those big names didn't sign any of the /25's or /15's or /10's, or /5's.

880 cards not accounted for... Big names might be even harder to come by, though the big name rookies seem to be signing like crazy, so they're probably all there... But you also know that Takanka and McCutchen signed all 112 of their cards...