2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Jopeal]

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by seabass97166

I would tell them: Google Tom Leykis Hail Mary abortion and listen up

A terrible precedent. When something is wrong, anyone should be allowed to act against it, call it out. If all you care about is identity politics, then you end up condoning the hate/evil around you.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by packman80

Saw on twitter other day all these people upset because theNHL players stood for anthem and started out tweeting pics of themselves kneeling. Seems now if you don't kneel you are not "woke" and thus must be ignorant or a racist.

They can shame them all they want, but I believe in free speech... that American stuff. Sit, stand, kneel, hat on, hat off, post on Blowout... do as you please. I think it’s disrespectful to those around you to talk during the anthem, but how you choose to spend your time otherwise during those two minutes is up to you.

I do think it’s ridiculous that not going along with a movement is somehow a strike against you, and a pretty heavy one. This whole thing is fascinating and disturbing all at once.

[TheFrenzy]

I’m just waiting for identity politics to come full circle and recognize political affiliation as part of one’s identity.

That way I can register as a Third Party political minority and enjoy watching Democrats and Republicans acknowledge their “Two Party privilege”.

It’s just a logical next step.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

They can shame them all they want, but I believe in free speech... that American stuff. Sit, stand, kneel, hat on, hat off, post on Blowout... do as you please. I think it’s disrespectful to those around you to talk during the anthem, but how you choose to spend your time otherwise during those two minutes is up to you.

I do think it’s ridiculous that not going along with a movement is somehow a strike against you, and a pretty heavy one. This whole thing is fascinating and disturbing all at once.

Yes it’s quite incredible. Either you are with us or you’re against us. Anyone that feels this is just going to spontaneously or organically resolve into something better or positive is ignoring reality.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

They can shame them all they want, but I believe in free speech... that American stuff. Sit, stand, kneel, hat on, hat off, post on Blowout... do as you please. I think it’s disrespectful to those around you to talk during the anthem, but how you choose to spend your time otherwise during those two minutes is up to you.

I do think it’s ridiculous that not going along with a movement is somehow a strike against you, and a pretty heavy one. This whole thing is fascinating and disturbing all at once.

You know there are players who don't agree with BLM but have to shut up and act like they do because they can't afford to destory their careers by having the media question them on why they don't and make them out to be bad people or have their teammates turn on them because they won't back what they want them to.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by discostu

Not sure why anyone has a problem with this.

The officer stated clearly what would happen if these two people continued to write on the sidewalk.

They chose to continue. The police did what they stated they would do.

Activists of all shades do things like this to make a point.

Everyone knew what was going to happen, it was calculated and choreographed.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Because it's more blatant hypocrisy. Write #&*!*( Police in paint anywhere you want in any city, with cops watching ... totally cool. Write in chalk on a public sidewalk, get arrested.

Organize outside for an event, get arrested. Organize for a protest on social justice, get celebrated.

I say this again. "For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law."

Originally Posted by discostu

In saving me the time to find it, please post the video showing where a person is writing something in front of police officer where the police clearly explains that if they continue they will get arrested, then they do not get arrested.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Are you saying that laws are only broken when police are present and give a verbal warning? I can go spray paint a building, and it's only breaking the law if an officer tells me not to?

Is that your argument? Laws can be broken so long as police are not asking you not to break them?

"It's part of our DNA" is an insane excuse. What you mean to say is that if it's your friends or family, the laws do not apply.

If it's indeed "blatant hypocrisy" as you so state, surely you have clear evidence that this was applied differently in another scenario.

But, if you are doing something not only in front of an officer, but then after an officer clearly tells you what will happen if you continue...that's just asking to be arrested.

So again, show me the "blatant hypocrisy" to prove your point. Where is the mythical video of someone writing "$@^& the Police" in front of a police officer, and then the officer calmly says that if the person continues the do that they'll get arrested.

Laws are broken all of the time with and without a police presence. Buzzing by a cop going 7 MPH over the limit...you're not getting stopped 95% of the time. Why get stopped that 5%? Great question.

You know, black Americans have been stating for decades that they have been pulled over for routine things while white Americans were not. There's a Stanford study with data to back that up.

Maybe you're onto something...perhaps BLM and the pro-life movement should team up.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

If you are not for it, then you should have an issue with what occurred. You are just apathetic to it.

What gets me is the whole idea of justice system reform is based around equity in application, yet each side tends to only be concerned when it affects them.

It goes back to the Anti-Semitisn thread. Malcolm Jenkins was clear in his comments defending Jackson that anti-semitism wasn’t their problem. The issue with taking that stance is then it opens the door for anyone who is not faced with inequity in the justice system to simply take the same stance, “Sorry but that isn’t our problem”. It’s counter productive to the whole point and just feeds the root of the problem, hypocrisy and apathy.

I'm hardly apathetic to this situation.

This group (with a permit) knew what they could and couldn't do. The permit did not include writing on the sidewalk. They wrote on the sidewalk. The police calmly stated the consequences of writing on the sidewalk, as this was not the first time. The scribblers got handcuffs.

I'm not sure how I should respond?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

This was all about manufacturing controversy. Both sides do it and we're morons for caring about it.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by discostu

My thoughts on inequality application of laws? I’m not for it...but it's part of our DNA in every facet of life. How do we fix it? Great centuries old question.

Originally Posted by discostu

I'm hardly apathetic to this situation.

This group (with a permit) knew what they could and couldn't do. The permit did not include writing on the sidewalk. They wrote on the sidewalk. The police calmly stated the consequences of writing on the sidewalk, as this was not the first time. The scribblers got handcuffs.

I'm not sure how I should respond?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

This was all about manufacturing controversy. Both sides do it and we're morons for caring about it.

Tone is difficult but the bolded portion read like heavy apathy. If I was wrong, I read it wrong.

I don’t think asking for equal application of the law is manufacturing controversy. Again I point to CHOP where a significant portion of a city was taken over and the city government and police just allowed it, illegally, to happen. That’s inexcusable.

Seems like they played a stupid game and were rewarded for it.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Tone is difficult but the bolded portion read like heavy apathy. If I was wrong, I read it wrong.

I don’t think asking for equal application of the law is manufacturing controversy. Again I point to CHOP where a significant portion of a city was taken over and the city government and police just allowed it, illegally, to happen. That’s inexcusable.

Seems like they played a stupid game and were rewarded for it.

I'm not arguing that equal application of the law is somehow manufacturing controversy. But equal application of the law doesn't exist and has never existed.

Regarding CHOP (or similar), when officials allow it, they allow it. Everything is a case by case scenario. It always has been and I have no idea how to resolve it. Enforce everything, always? Possibly.

Going 26 in a 25 zone? Automatic ticket. Sure, the guy in the other lane may be going 34, but oh well.

Police can't be everywhere, but if you're going to be bold enough to buck a verbal warning from an officer standing in front of you, I have no sympathy.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Love the headline Tucker takes on Cornell.

What I am seeing here in Cornell West is a guy who is loving life and adept at articulating his view.

The uphill battle for more economic fairness is clear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth..._United_States

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by discostu

I'm not arguing that equal application of the law is somehow manufacturing controversy. But equal application of the law doesn't exist and has never existed.

Regarding CHOP (or similar), when officials allow it, they allow it. Everything is a case by case scenario. It always has been and I have no idea how to resolve it. Enforce everything, always? Possibly.

Going 26 in a 25 zone? Automatic ticket. Sure, the guy in the other lane may be going 34, but oh well.

Police can't be everywhere, but if you're going to be bold enough to buck a verbal warning from an officer standing in front of you, I have no sympathy.

Next time just commandeer the block before you start chalkin’, I guess.

[Packer4Rob]

This happened in Milwaukee a few weeks back, I think this goes to your point about who gets arrested for chalking/defacing property and who doesn't.

https://justthenews.com/government/l...d-police-mural

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

This happened in Milwaukee a few weeks back, I think this goes to your point about who gets arrested for chalking/defacing property and who doesn't.

https://justthenews.com/government/l...d-police-mural

Sidewalk chalk? The horror

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Sidewalk chalk? The horror

I agree completely, its ridiculous. This was in response to the post a few pages ago about the pro life protesters who were arrested for writing in chalk on the sidewalk. Different sides of the aisle in both cases, but only one group arrested.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

I agree completely, its ridiculous. This was in response to the post a few pages ago about the pro life protesters who were arrested for writing in chalk on the sidewalk. Different sides of the aisle in both cases, but only one group arrested.

Were police watching the people write with chalk in this incident, then calmly give them a warning as to the consequences of writing with chalk, only to have to writers continue?

Just want to make sure we're looking at actually similar incidents.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by discostu

Were police watching the people write with chalk in this incident, then calmly give them a warning as to the consequences of writing with chalk, only to have to writers continue?

Just want to make sure we're looking at actually similar incidents.

no, this was a crowd of people protesting against a person who spoke out against painting murals on city streets. They shouted and intimidated his wife and daughter....it was far from peaceful. in this day and age if they tried to stop it, it may have turned violent, so they let them continue and they eventually dispersed. Had they ticketed them all, i'm sure there would be complaints about being ticketed for chalking sidewalks.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

no, this was a crowd of people protesting against a person who spoke out against painting murals on city streets. They shouted and intimidated his wife and daughter....it was far from peaceful. in this day and age if they tried to stop it, it may have turned violent, so they let them continue and they eventually dispersed. Had they ticketed them all, i'm sure there would be complaints about being ticketed for chalking sidewalks.

A group of protesters wrote on the sidewalk in chalk outside the home of a public official? Like I said: The Horror.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

A group of protesters wrote on the sidewalk in chalk outside the home of a public official? Like I said: The Horror.

and I agreed. i'm sure it washed off in the next rain. So I assume that you think its a horror to write in chalk where the pro life people were writing, which i'm sure also washed away.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

and I agreed. i'm sure it washed off in the next rain. So I assume that you think its a horror to write in chalk where the pro life people were writing, which i'm sure also washed away.

The officers gave those protesters a formal ultimatum.
The whole thing is a non-issue.

The police are now all pro-Democrat? Is that the argument you're trying to make?

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

The officers gave those protesters a formal ultimatum.
The whole thing is a non-issue.

The police are now all pro-Democrat? Is that the argument you're trying to make?

not at all, just showing how situations were handled differently. People are free to interpret it however they like.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by discostu

Were police watching the people write with chalk in this incident, then calmly give them a warning as to the consequences of writing with chalk, only to have to writers continue?

Just want to make sure we're looking at actually similar incidents.

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

not at all, just showing how situations were handled differently. People are free to interpret it however they like.

As discostu eluded to before; the situations themselves are seemingly quite different.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Can't believe this is what some people want to see our country get to. I truly feel bad for the upcoming generations of this country. The best days are definitely behind us if this is where we are heading.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Can't believe this is what some people want to see our country get to. I truly feel bad for the upcoming generations of this country. The best days are definitely behind us if this is where we are heading.

What were your takeaways from the video? Tucker seemed pretty open-minded about the platform in the dialogue.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

What were your takeaways from the video? Tucker seemed pretty open-minded about the platform in the dialogue.

I agree. It was a good interview with good points by West.