✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Trueblue]

Thanks, guys. Like many of you reacted, I was irate that they could show me a 10 grade and "take it away" but apparently it happens more than we know about. It just happened to occur with a min grade card where they did not re-image the card after cracking it out. The point I made to PSA after they made their excuses was that:

1) They claimed that they could not grade a card / assess condition with a card being in a sealed one-touch, even it was clean.

2) This means that both cards were unsealed and the main grader graded both a 10, the cross checkers agreed, then it was slabbed (standard process before slabbing).

3) The "Master Grader" assessed both cads and decided that they were not 10s AFTER they were slabbed - debunking the argument that they can't assess the condition of the card in plastics.

I have had a lot of time to calm my nerves from this experience, but my takeaway was that the "Master Grader" just didn't want to give me a 10. This is why I've been telling you guys that PSA is purposefully grading Sho Rookie cards harder. Irony is that this was just a detail in the middle of an avalanche of process breakdowns.

I have other PSA stories, but this one takes the cake. I like PSA but I really hope they clean this kind of crap up.

Here's the proof to my claim:

[HunterConnorMom]

Sorry but that’s ridiculous…would talk to Nat. Sometimes it seems PSA is trying to control pop reports now.

[Trueblue]

I negotiated with PSA in good faith and accepted a small but digestible compensatory credit. It's done. I am only sharing this with you guys so you understand 1) The type of scrutiny 2018 high-end cards get, 2) Do not take PSA face value, get everything in writing or make sure it's recorded.

[Rs17]

Originally Posted by Clementani

Passing along an article from today’s SF Chronicle. Even Susan Slusser (great beat reporter) is at a loss for words when it comes to this guy. The player quotes are pretty great too.

“No one in our lifetimes, perhaps in all of major league history, can match what Shohei Ohtani has already achieved.”

Shohei Ohtani, baseball unicorn? Giants, teammates in awe of Dodgers’ two-way great

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/g...d-21057388.php

Pretty amazing to hear players from opposing teams talk about him. The average fan doesn’t understand how much of an accomplishment pitching AND hitting at such a high level is.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by HunterConnorMom

Sorry but that’s ridiculous…would talk to Nat. Sometimes it seems PSA is trying to control pop reports now.

They are and have been manipulating pop reports for some time. Grading is such a joke.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Ohtani needs 11 runs scored in 8 games to get to 150. The last player to have 50HRs and 150 Runs scored... Jimmie Foxx in 1932 with 58 and 151


Oh, and he pitches too.

[Trueblue]

Gotta add to the alpha and omega of this set any chance I get.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Thanks, guys. Like many of you reacted, I was irate that they could show me a 10 grade and "take it away" but apparently it happens more than we know about. It just happened to occur with a min grade card where they did not re-image the card after cracking it out. The point I made to PSA after they made their excuses was that:

1) They claimed that they could not grade a card / assess condition with a card being in a sealed one-touch, even it was clean.

2) This means that both cards were unsealed and the main grader graded both a 10, the cross checkers agreed, then it was slabbed (standard process before slabbing).

3) The "Master Grader" assessed both cads and decided that they were not 10s AFTER they were slabbed - debunking the argument that they can't assess the condition of the card in plastics.

I have had a lot of time to calm my nerves from this experience, but my takeaway was that the "Master Grader" just didn't want to give me a 10. This is why I've been telling you guys that PSA is purposefully grading Sho Rookie cards harder. Irony is that this was just a detail in the middle of an avalanche of process breakdowns.

I have other PSA stories, but this one takes the cake. I like PSA but I really hope they clean this kind of crap up.

Here's the proof to my claim:

PSA is an absolute joke.


They claim they can't accurately grade through a one touch but apparently they CAN through their own holder? Pathetic company. Nat should be ashamed.

[gododgersfan]

Absolutely disgusting with what PSA did with the Shohei 1/1s. Sorry to hear this story and thanks for sharing.

[ThoseBackPages]

use CGC!

[Trueblue]

Thanks guys. We present a lot of anecdotes that PSA is grading Sho higher end cards harder so I just wanted to provide a real example that we can draw reasonable and high probability conclusions from.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

use CGC!

YOU use CGC . I didn't go scorched earth on PSA here because there is no other efficient option for the hybrid collector that consolidates upward.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

YOU use CGC . I didn't go scorched earth on PSA here because there is no other efficient option for the hybrid collector that consolidates upward.

i do!

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[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i do!



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I remember your submissions from last year. I can't disagree it's a fine option for PC cards.

It's just less practical for rookie year cards where you want a quick option to unload for another bigger PC purchase. Wouldn't own the flagship superfractor without the liquidity the PSA slabs provided me.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I remember your submissions from last year. I can't disagree it's a fine option for PC cards.

It's just less practical for rookie year cards where you want a quick option to unload for another bigger PC purchase. Wouldn't own the flagship superfractor without the liquidity the PSA slabs provided me.

for sure.

i was just pushing back against the "PSA BAD" posts thats started flooding in

[ThoseBackPages]

ALLLLLLL the TPGs make mistakes. ALL of them.

PSA is the best right now. it is what it is.

PSA makes mistakes too.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

ALLLLLLL the TPGs make mistakes. ALL of them.

PSA is the best right now. it is what it is.

PSA makes mistakes too.

Yeah, my post wasn't meant to bury PSA or denigrate their product. It's just a curtain slip behind the subjective gray areas and broken processes. From an operational P99 outcome (99 percentile result), they probably have few issues aside from mislabeled slabs. They are a growing company so there will be growing pains. People just need to be aware of it and TRUST YOUR EYES, then look at the grade.

You want to talk incompetent? *BGS enters the chat*

[Mister2Bits]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

You want to talk incompetent? *BGS enters the chat*

The BGA eagle eye Joe crap is insane. Statistics dont lie.

PSA makes mistakes and customer service needs a big improvement but they are still the best.

[ThoseBackPages]

BGS = Be Gone Soon

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

BGS = Be Gone Soon

Man, How Deep is Your Love for the Bee Gees?

Oh wait...

[inceptus]

Back in 2018, our local Target was overflowing with these $15 Bowman mega boxes. I bought 15 of them and left the rest “for the kids.”

Opened all the mojo packs, and sold an orange Acuna and an orange Alzolay auto the next week that paid for all the boxes.

Pulled three of the Shohei ROY Favorites (no colors, though), and left the “dead” Bowman packs stacked on a shelf unopened until Covid.

Pulled nine Shoheis from those packs in 2020, and have periodically graded and sold those commons and a couple of the ROY cards to help feed my prewar habit.


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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

Man, How Deep is Your Love for the Bee Gees?

Oh wait...

heh!!

[SidVish]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Thanks, guys. Like many of you reacted, I was irate that they could show me a 10 grade and "take it away" but apparently it happens more than we know about. It just happened to occur with a min grade card where they did not re-image the card after cracking it out. The point I made to PSA after they made their excuses was that:

1) They claimed that they could not grade a card / assess condition with a card being in a sealed one-touch, even it was clean.

2) This means that both cards were unsealed and the main grader graded both a 10, the cross checkers agreed, then it was slabbed (standard process before slabbing).

3) The "Master Grader" assessed both cads and decided that they were not 10s AFTER they were slabbed - debunking the argument that they can't assess the condition of the card in plastics.

I have had a lot of time to calm my nerves from this experience, but my takeaway was that the "Master Grader" just didn't want to give me a 10. This is why I've been telling you guys that PSA is purposefully grading Sho Rookie cards harder. Irony is that this was just a detail in the middle of an avalanche of process breakdowns.

I have other PSA stories, but this one takes the cake. I like PSA but I really hope they clean this kind of crap up.

Here's the proof to my claim:

Originally Posted by HunterConnorMom

Sorry but that’s ridiculous…would talk to Nat. Sometimes it seems PSA is trying to control pop reports now.

This is what I would do. Have you thought about contacting Nat? I've done so in the past and he either helped or got me to the right people to fix the issue.

There is no way anyone would not be upset seeing pics of 10's only to have them removed. I'm getting upset just thinking about it.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by SidVish

This is what I would do. Have you thought about contacting Nat? I've done so in the past and he either helped or got me to the right people to fix the issue.

There is no way anyone would not be upset seeing pics of 10's only to have them removed. I'm getting upset just thinking about it.

I've already resolved it with their customer service. Wasn't the best compensation, but simply not worth burning a bridge over and the actual CS individuals were not bad people. I drop stuff off once a month so there is a relationship aspect I prefer to sustain. Most people do not like customers that escalate 3-4 levels up.

[SidVish]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I've already resolved it with their customer service. Wasn't the best compensation, but simply not worth burning a bridge over and the actual CS individuals were not bad people. I drop stuff off once a month so there is a relationship aspect I prefer to sustain. Most people do not like customers that escalate 3-4 levels up.

I get that especially if you're using them once a month. You don't want to be red flagged in a sense.

[jackwesq]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Ohtani needs 11 runs scored in 8 games to get to 150. The last player to have 50HRs and 150 Runs scored... Jimmie Foxx in 1932 with 58 and 151


Oh, and he pitches too.

Jeff Bagwell was close in 2000 with 152 runs and 47 home runs, yet somehow finished 7th in the MVP voting.

And Lou Gehrig was close in 1936 with 167 runs and 49 home runs.

But yes, would be awesome if Shohei could get to 150 runs scored.