Corona Virus - Page 125

coachnip13 · 03-16-2020, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

As long as you factor in the response and how the current precautions affected, yes I’d love to have that discussion.

Me thinks you just want to whine.

If random sports card dude turns out to be right, please lead the charge to praise Trump's actions in shutting this thing down so quickly.

chezball · 03-16-2020, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by spuds1961

People will not make it till July, most people were fine with 2 to 3 weeks maybe even a month but 4 months isn’t feasible. Working from home is fine for maybe 20 percent of the work force but the other 80 percent that can’t work from home will eventually go broke. So many things that can’t be taken care of, I am almost to the point where I say treat it like there is no virus and whoever dies dies. Nobody can live the way they are going to have us live anyways.

I'm already there, let the virus run it's course, whatever happens happens.
Come at me all you want, doesn't matter but if it make you feel better have at it.

spuds1961 · 03-16-2020, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chezball

I'm already there, let the virus run it's course, whatever happens happens.
Come at me all you want, doesn't matter but if it make you feel better have at it.

The faster people die just means less time they have to infect others.

zonacats8 · 03-16-2020, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy917

Three people in my state of NJ died so far from Covid-19. The panic at my job is insane. I sent a mass employee email out with the following data straight from the CDC....

Influenza and pneumonia have claimed 1,091 lives in New Jersey from October through Feb. 15, according to the latest data available from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Now everyone is back to work.....

Imagine, just imagine if the death toll from covid-19 hits 1,000 in 4 months. The panic will be absolutely insane, yet we already have 1,000 deaths in my state from the Flu lol. People are actually crazy. I think Covid-19 causes more mental health concerns then respiratory health concerns

First time checking here today, only looked at this last page and leaving after I post this, but this just goes to show that so many people aren't comprehending the reasons behind the social distancing and such.

Of those 1,091 lives that were lost, I'd bet that every single one of them still received the best possible medical care to try and save their lives, not a single one of them was told, "sorry we just don't have any ventilator machines available to try and help you, we wish you the best."

And THAT is the difference here, there will be people who are told that and will die from the Coronavirus without receiving that best possible care because the hospitals will be overrun and over capacity. The "flattening the curve" is all about trying to keep that from happening, we understand the overall raw numbers will be lower than things like the standard flu, but it's about making sure people do not die solely because there weren't enough available machines to help them.

Yes, people who have those machines will still unfortunately pass away, and that's terrible too. But it's about trying to give everyone who needs them and would survive with their support, to receive that support, because those that would live with it and die because they don't get it, is unfathomable.

xbignick · 03-16-2020, 04:11 PM

I'm not getting a lot of this curfew stuff.

My city eventually:

-8PM curfew (recommended as of new but no one will read article)
-first two hours a grocery store is open be for only at-risk like the elderly and pregnant

Before hours of shopping for a typical individual ranged from 8AM-12AM (16 hours). Now they range from 10AM-8PM (10 hours). You're going to have more people and closer contact.

spuds1961 · 03-16-2020, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by zonacats8

First time checking here today, only looked at this last page and leaving after I post this, but this just goes to show that so many people aren't comprehending the reasons behind the social distancing and such.

Of those 1,091 lives that were lost, I'd bet that every single one of them still received the best possible medical care to try and save their lives, not a single one of them was told, "sorry we just don't have any ventilator machines available to try and help you, we wish you the best."

And THAT is the difference here, there will be people who are told that and will die from the Coronavirus without receiving that best possible care because the hospitals will be overrun and over capacity. The "flattening the curve" is all about trying to keep that from happening, we understand the overall raw numbers will be lower than things like the standard flu, but it's about making sure people do not die solely because there weren't enough available machines to help them.

Yes, people who have those machines will still unfortunately pass away, and that's terrible too. But it's about trying to give everyone who needs them and would survive with their support, to receive that support, because those that would live with it and die because they don't get it, is unfathomable.

Oh well.

katester44 · 03-16-2020, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

Don't be surprised if more people die from suicide and stress induced issues than the virus.

We want to all make assumptions, there is mine.

I 100% agree with this.

NeedChapmans · 03-16-2020, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bradical

No one is making decisions, or no one is making decisions you agree with?

Decisions are being made, and now the governments/cities/states are finding ways to enforce them.

No. We're reactionary. Ohio closed this, so PA has to close that. NJ closed this, so FL has to close that. Nobody wants to be the doofus that keeps things open and watches their population shrink. Herd mentality in full force.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Saving human life is a terrific intention. But we are ruining the lives of millions in the process. And I still believe at the end of this, we're all going to LOL at the actual numbers.

Whether everyone here wants to admit it or not, you should be rooting for NeedChapmans to be right! Whether that's true or not remains to be seen.

spuds1961 · 03-16-2020, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xbignick

I'm not getting a lot of this curfew stuff.

My city eventually:

-8PM curfew (recommended as of new but no one will read article)
-first two hours a grocery store is open be for only at-risk like the elderly and pregnant

Before hours of shopping for a typical individual ranged from 8AM-12AM (16 hours). Now they range from 10AM-8PM (8 hours). You're going to have more people and closer contact.

Ah but the virus knows to not come out in those time ranges. You are right it truly makes no sense like I keep saying it is selective caution just so these so called leaders can say they are doing something.

Cavaliercards · 03-16-2020, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xbignick

I'm not getting a lot of this curfew stuff.

My city eventually:

-8PM curfew (recommended as of new but no one will read article)
-first two hours a grocery store is open be for only at-risk like the elderly and pregnant

Before hours of shopping for a typical individual ranged from 8AM-12AM (16 hours). Now they range from 10AM-8PM (10 hours). You're going to have more people and closer contact.

Could see them taking the approach that Europe and few other places have done.

Limit people in and people outside are separated by a few feet.

coachnip13 · 03-16-2020, 04:16 PM

In Florida, it's breaking news when there is a new case anywhere in the state. But these cats are talking about running out of hospital beds. Turning people away to die. SMH.

JeremyNick · 03-16-2020, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

My expertise is in numbers. Mathematics. Statistics. I know nothing of the hospital bed count in Allegheny PA. But again, people are guessing. And they're guessing at overreaction levels to achieve a specific goal. That goal, is to scare people from leaving their house.

It's working. It's panicked a country, obliterated an economy, but the goal of getting people to stay home is working.

They aren’t guessing.
I know the capacities.
I’m dealing with this everyday. I know that surgeries are being postponed to keep necessary beds open. I know the transfers in and out of hospitals to manage numbers. I know the lack of available CCU beds right now.

So while you know statistics. You have no idea what is going on. Zero. But you feel more than qualified to squash any educated opinion that doesn’t agree with your admittedly uneducated one.

rman112 · 03-16-2020, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

They aren’t guessing.
I know the capacities.
I’m dealing with this everyday. I know that surgeries are being postponed to keep necessary beds open. I know the transfers in and out of hospitals to manage numbers. I know the lack of available CCU beds right now.

So while you know statistics. You have no idea what is going on. Zero. But you feel more than qualified to squash any educated opinion that doesn’t agree with your admittedly uneducated one.

Aren't you just guessing that you'll need those beds?

JeremyNick · 03-16-2020, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

If random sports card dude turns out to be right, please lead the charge to praise Trump's actions in shutting this thing down so quickly.

He’s already wrong. That’s the thing.
This isn’t a “we’ll find out if he’s right or wrong”

Everyone who is monitoring this is saying the same thing. Act now or this will have an incredible reach.

He saying don’t act now. He’s wrong.

rockem · 03-16-2020, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

They aren’t guessing.
I know the capacities.
I’m dealing with this everyday. I know that surgeries are being postponed to keep necessary beds open. I know the transfers in and out of hospitals to manage numbers. I know the lack of available CCU beds right now.

You must not be dealing with a huge overwhelming amount of people or you wouldn't be posting on a sports card forum about it.

JeremyNick · 03-16-2020, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Aren't you just guessing that you'll need those beds?

Yes we are anticipating the beds necessary based on expected outcomes.

Are you anticipating how much money you need to retire?
I mean it’s just a guess in the dark right? You aren’t working with financial advisors and looking at trends and projections. You are just guessing wildly and making a decision.

Don’t be so ignorantly reductive.

JeremyNick · 03-16-2020, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rockem

You must not be dealing with a huge overwhelming amount of people or you wouldn't be posting on a sports card forum about it.

I’m at home now.
I’m not an administrator so my day ends when I leave the office.

I just manage staff and see patients.

coachnip13 · 03-16-2020, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

He’s already wrong. That’s the thing.
This isn’t a “we’ll find out if he’s right or wrong”

Everyone who is monitoring this is saying the same thing. Act now or this will have an incredible reach.

He saying don’t act now. He’s wrong.

That's why you're going to take it as a win-win. When this is old news in July? "Oh, the measures worked!!!" The downside is that you'll have to give Trump credit.

rman112 · 03-16-2020, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Yes we are anticipating the beds necessary based on expected outcomes.

Are you anticipating how much money you need to retire?
I mean it’s just a guess in the dark right? You aren’t working with financial advisors and looking at trends and projections. You are just guessing wildly and making a decision.

Don’t be so ignorantly reductive.

It's hard to argue with emotion at this point. It seems like the way this is all being played out is: We're worried that _____ will happen, so we're doing _____. It's all based on worst-case scenario. Am I wrong?

JeremyNick · 03-16-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

I didn't ask what you think, to be honest.

Then don’t reply.

Easy enough.
You reply, you invite my thoughts. That’s how conversations work.

NeedChapmans · 03-16-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

They aren’t guessing.
I know the capacities.
I’m dealing with this everyday. I know that surgeries are being postponed to keep necessary beds open. I know the transfers in and out of hospitals to manage numbers. I know the lack of available CCU beds right now.

So while you know statistics. You have no idea what is going on. Zero. But you feel more than qualified to squash any educated opinion that doesn’t agree with your admittedly uneducated one.

Good. Help those that need help.

But we are preparing for a war that is unlikely to come. That's really the bottom line. And when this all over, you and I and everyone else can have a nice discussion about whether or not there really was a reason to prepare in the first place.

rman112 · 03-16-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

He’s already wrong. That’s the thing.
This isn’t a “we’ll find out if he’s right or wrong”

Everyone who is monitoring this is saying the same thing. Act now or this will have an incredible reach.

He saying don’t act now. He’s wrong.

It's a new strain of a virus. There are no right or wrongs right now. It's all guesstimates.

Siberian13 · 03-16-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Then don’t reply.

Easy enough.
You reply, you invite my thoughts. That’s how conversations work.

Until you go to the ignore list

coachnip13 · 03-16-2020, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Yes we are anticipating the beds necessary based on expected outcomes.

Are you anticipating how much money you need to retire?
I mean it’s just a guess in the dark right? You aren’t working with financial advisors and looking at trends and projections. You are just guessing wildly and making a decision.

Don’t be so ignorantly reductive.

Florida: cruises in and out, hotbed for tourism, middle of the spring break season, elderly snowbirds here before heading back home for the summer....

......and we have 136 cases statewide. Where, exactly, are they rescheduling surgeries in anticipation of filling up hospitals? Thanks in advance.

chezball · 03-16-2020, 04:26 PM

I'm going to give you a perfect example of this nonsense.
My daughters live two houses away, they don't want me coming over b/c "I'm living my normal life" oh you walk all over the place, you go here and there.
So I just said, how about I take a shower and wear clothes that haven't been outside.
Oh no you might cough on us and give it to us.

03-16-2020, 04:11 PM	#3105
xbignick Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 29,316 xxbignick	I'm not getting a lot of this curfew stuff. My city eventually: -8PM curfew (recommended as of new but no one will read article) -first two hours a grocery store is open be for only at-risk like the elderly and pregnant Before hours of shopping for a typical individual ranged from 8AM-12AM (16 hours). Now they range from 10AM-8PM (10 hours). You're going to have more people and closer contact. __________________ @xxbignick on twitter

03-16-2020, 04:16 PM	#3111
coachnip13 Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Siesta Key, FL Posts: 9,647	In Florida, it's breaking news when there is a new case *anywhere in the state*. But these cats are talking about running out of hospital beds. Turning people away to die. SMH.

03-16-2020, 04:26 PM	#3125
chezball Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North East Beatoff USA Posts: 21,686 jabber	I'm going to give you a perfect example of this nonsense. My daughters live two houses away, they don't want me coming over b/c "I'm living my normal life" oh you walk all over the place, you go here and there. So I just said, how about I take a shower and wear clothes that haven't been outside. Oh no you might cough on us and give it to us.