2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Again, no it isn't. Everything you need is here; always is.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-da...-2020/download

As for the antibody tests; two important points:

(1) 20,000 tests is a small sample size relative to the 1.535 million the state has run to confirm COVID positive patients.
(2) You're only testing people who don't know if they've had the virus. If it were a true sample of the population, you would also include people who have been confirmed positive. MA antibody tests are not given to people who have been COVID+. So the number is certainly larger than 12.5%.

And to be clear, I don't believe the states up north are officially "OK" ... simply that the virus already went through these states, hit them hard, a lot of people contracted the virus so a lot of chains are broken in terms of potential future spikes. People will still get the virus, but the chance of another "round" is close to zero. The virus will be so much more easy to manage in MA, CT, NY and NJ now, as the strategy of herd immunity was unwittingly implemented by incompetence.

Other states are getting there. And this is a good thing for our economy and our future because in another month or two; the virus will have made it's way through all states, highly populated and otherwise and outbreaks in the fall and winter will be few and far between.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Again, no it isn't. Everything you need is here; always is.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-da...-2020/download

As for the antibody tests; two important points:

(1) 20,000 tests is a small sample size relative to the 1.535 million the state has run to confirm COVID positive patients.
(2) You're only testing people who don't know if they've had the virus. If it were a true sample of the population, you would also include people who have been confirmed positive. MA antibody tests are not given to people who have been COVID+. So the number is certainly larger than 12.5%.

I can see why they want schools closed in Massachusetts, look at all the deaths from COVID for 19 and under.

Wait... it's 0.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Looks like Germany is going to be locking down again now that CV is coming back ...

Can't be. I was told only white male people on the right in the US were the only ones against this on the entire face of the planet and the other 99.9% of the globe was compliant and wearing masks.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Such a simplistic view of things.

Yes it is a simplistic view and surely will not solve every problem but sometimes a good start to any change is just a simple thing.
Doesn't everyone want to live somewhere that they can be proud of?
And don't get me wrong, I strongly believe black Americans are an extremely proud group of people. That's a very good thing and should be applied to the communities they live in.

Edit to add this isn’t just a black thing. Where I live we have poor white neighborhoods that face the same circumstances of people not taking pride in their own homes and neighborhoods. A few pages back I posted pictures of my brother's neighbor's yard with weeds growing 6 feet tall over the entire yard. I think we all grow and succeed more so if the environment we live on isn't as Trump would say, a shathole.
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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by kerg

Can't be. I was told only white male people on the right in the US were the only ones against this on the entire face of the planet and the other 99.9% of the globe was compliant and wearing masks.

I wish those that say Trump holds blame would pick their leader who's handling this well. Pick the person you think has done really well; and then let's take a look in six months.

States, like countries, are just in a virus cycle. If you escaped early, you'll get hit late and vice versa. The only meaningful strategy is to protect your vulnerable population. Stopping the spread is futile.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I wish those that say Trump holds blame would pick their leader who's handling this well. Pick the person you think has done really well; and then let's take a look in six months.

States, like countries, are just in a virus cycle. If you escaped early, you'll get hit late and vice versa. The only meaningful strategy is to protect your vulnerable population. Stopping the spread is futile.

I do think it’s silly trump gets a lot of blame for covid when both sides didn’t realize the severity of it until it was too late.

My problem is once we found out how severe it was, he thought it was a good look for the country to go around without a mask. I honestly don’t blame the left for saying the right denies science. Our leader made us look like a bunch of uneducated baboons

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I do think it’s silly trump gets a lot of blame for covid when both sides didn’t realize the severity of it until it was too late.

My problem is once we found out how severe it was, he thought it was a good look for the country to go around without a mask. I honestly don’t blame the left for saying the right denies science. Our leader made us look like a bunch of uneducated baboons

It's not a right / left issue. The left denies science all the time.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

And to be clear, I don't believe the states up north are officially "OK" ... simply that the virus already went through these states, hit them hard, a lot of people contracted the virus so a lot of chains are broken in terms of potential future spikes. People will still get the virus, but the chance of another "round" is close to zero. The virus will be so much more easy to manage in MA, CT, NY and NJ now, as the strategy of herd immunity was unwittingly implemented by incompetence.

Other states are getting there. And this is a good thing for our economy and our future because in another month or two; the virus will have made it's way through all states, highly populated and otherwise and outbreaks in the fall and winter will be few and far between.

I would just keep an eye on the positive test rate, for me that is the one to watch. Started to creep up over 2% for the first time in a while in MA. On the last weekly health report which is released on Wednesdays the 2 week avg for positive rate was 1.7%, which is great but I have feeling will start to move up.

I do not disagree that due to the initial wave of the virus it will continue to be harder for the virus to impact the State the same way. I just believe other things impact the number to a greater extent at this point. Specifically people behaviors & limiting certain activities.

Honestly I hope I am wrong. I hope we are much closer to a herd immunity situation. I want nothing more for this to be over or least stable so we can start to recover things at a faster pace.

[trixstar]

[jdandns]

Way to Gohmert!

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's not a right / left issue. The left denies science all the time.

CNN is not "the left" anymore than FoxNews is "the right".
They are television channels/internet sites that provide news stories and opinion pieces.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Jopeal seems like a genuine concerned and intelligent person but it hasn't escaped me that in almost every reply he posts there has to be a little dig thrown in.
Hence why I feel he talks down to people.
Granted we all throw a bit of sarcasm in our posts, but nowhere near the "I'm smart and you're too dumb to realize I'm mocking you" intent that comes across in these digs.

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I agree with the entire assessment.

Two very specific people: JeremyNick & TheFrenzy have consistently attempted (pitifully & unskillfully) to dismiss the posts I make here. When I say I have "given up hope" for some people, they are most specifically who I am referring to.
When others align with their way of interacting, I'm likely to post in the same condescending way.

They may want there to be some unwritten hierarchy here, but I'll never subscribe to that nonsense.

I appreciate your responses either way, and perhaps have thrown too many cheap shots your way as result of dealing with certain others in the thread.

Originally Posted by gopherfan

I notice that the scale has everyone being racist. Is there a way to not be racist?

There are two scales.

From my read of the top scale, if you are falling somewhere on the scale it would indicate a level of racial prejudice against black people. If you don't seem to use any of the listed justifications in face-related thinking you are unlikely to be considered racist.

In the bottom scale, if you are falling on the right side of the scale you are most likely considered an ally or advocate against racism, therefore not racist.

They're rudimentary charts but there's some validity to them.

[JeremyNick]

“I’m not condescending, it’s JeremyNick and Frenzy making me be condescending. I just troll and call people racist.”

Still unwilling to be accountable for your words and actions.

[Jopeal]

"I don't research issues, but think I am the judge and jury of a politics thread." - JeremyNick

[OscarOne]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Neat, I believe everything the news says.

Why has it hit Democratic states harder? It is strange how the states with more lockdowns... have killed more people.

I am sure you believe what you want. That is what makes you the perfect little snowflake you are.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I can see why they want schools closed in Massachusetts, look at all the deaths from COVID for 19 and under.

Wait... it's 0.

I know if my general area there are SOOOOO may kids being raised by their grandparents because parents are junkies. A LOT of those grandprents are single.

10 year old comes home and passes it to grandma who has guardianship and she gets sick then the kid is in the DCF system and the kid is f'd from there

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by OscarOne

I am sure you believe what you want. That is what makes you the perfect little snowflake you are.

Alright, here's another one. Can't answer just deflect with name calling.

Originally Posted by jlzinck

I know if my general area there are SOOOOO may kids being raised by their grandparents because parents are junkies. A LOT of those grandprents are single.

10 year old comes home and passes it to grandma who has guardianship and she gets sick then the kid is in the DCF system and the kid is f'd from there

Oh I get it, having options would be the way to go.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

“I’m not condescending, it’s JeremyNick and Frenzy making me be condescending. I just troll and call people racist.”

Still unwilling to be accountable for your words and actions.

What do you expect from someone who defends fake hitler quotes?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

"I don't research issues, but think I am the judge and jury of a politics thread." - JeremyNick

The interesting thing about you and the race discussion has been that it stemmed from the Dasean Jackson the Anti Semite thread. I went back to re-read a good portion of it because I didn’t get too involved with you on that thread until you had been posting for a bit.

Your first post was this gem:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...4&postcount=59

You continued to make posts directed vaguely at the conversation until you got someone to engage with you:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=79
And
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=94

The last one being a true gem that seemingly got what you wanted. A handful of posters to start engaging you.

Note the constant condescending and arrogant tone of your posts before Frenzy and I even began to discuss anything with you.

How is it that we are at fault for your terrible tone and demeanor, which had been called out here by a number of separate posters, when you were openly displaying it, seemingly to troll, long before we were talking to you?

Again, take responsibility and accountability for yourself. The constant blaming of everyone else is tired and, frankly weak. For someone who boasts such a higher intellect and moral ground, it’s pretty pathetic I what you blame everyone else for.

And again, I wait for you to openly call out racists here, instead of vaguely trolling that people who disagree with you are racist.

I also note your lack of empathy for the Native/First Nations people. One of the most socially, economically and racially oppressed groups in the US. It seethes of Malcolm Jenkins, “that’s not our problem” mentality.

ETA: I should note clearly, all of those comments were before anyone meaningfully engaged in any race discussion with you. Those were stand alone comments, unprompted by anyone.

[Jopeal]

Read a book JeremyNick. Do some research for once.
You are not the judge and jury of anything.

Yes I was disgusted by the double standard I saw and continue to see when it comes to discussing race issues on this forum.

And I have no idea where the idea of lack of empathy for Native peoples is coming from.
That couldn't be further from the truth.

Just another pathetic attempt by you to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.

Tucker Carlson (Frenzy) & Tucker Jr (JeremyNick)

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Read a book JeremyNick. Do some research for once.
You are not the judge and jury of anything.

Yes I was disgusted by the double standard I saw and continue to see when it comes to discussing race issues on this forum.

And I have no idea where the idea of lack of empathy for Native peoples is coming from.
That couldn't be further from the truth.

Just another pathetic attempt by you to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.

Tucker Carlson (Frenzy) & Tucker Jr (JeremyNick)

There’s no such as a double standard when it comes to fake hitler quotes. You need to learn to accept you were wrong and apologize. The last person who gets to call someone a racist is someone saying there is a “double standard” when discussing a fake hitler quote.

I try to take you seriously but I’ve never seen someone play the bully and victim more than yourself

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by mike1498

There’s no such as a double standard when it comes to fake hitler quotes. You need to learn to accept you were wrong and apologize. The last person who gets to call someone a racist is someone saying there is a “double standard” when discussing a fake hitler quote.

I try to take you seriously but I’ve never seen someone play the bully and victim more than yourself

Lol at jopeal. Makes jdandns look partly sane.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by mike1498

There’s no such as a double standard when it comes to fake hitler quotes. You need to learn to accept you were wrong and apologize. The last person who gets to call someone a racist is someone saying there is a “double standard” when discussing a fake hitler quote.

I try to take you seriously but I’ve never seen someone play the bully and victim more than yourself

Victim? A victim of listening to a bunch of misinformed, one-sided takes on race issues and wasting my time maybe.

Yeah that's correct. If people don't want to respectfully acknowledge the issues of black people in the U.S., they have no business expressing their issues with anti-Semitism.

Either be anti-racist to everyone or own your prejudice.

Frenzy literally called me a Nazi in the thread, followed by mocking me for saying I have Jewish family members. And yet I have to "own up to" something to you guys?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Lol at jopeal. Makes jdandns look partly sane.

Equality, science, reading and research are points of contention on this joke thread. Please continue to imply that I'm not sane.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Victim? A victim of listening to a bunch of misinformed, one-sided takes on race issues and wasting my time maybe.

Yeah that's correct. If people don't want to respectfully acknowledge the issues of black people in the U.S., they have no business expressing their issues with anti-Semitism.

Either be anti-racist to everyone or own your prejudice.

Frenzy literally called me a Nazi in the thread, followed by mocking me for saying I have Jewish family members. And yet I have to "own up to" something to you guys?

Well done.
This right here says it all with this mob:

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Lol at jopeal. Makes jdandns look partly sane.

Let 'em stew in it.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Read a book JeremyNick. Do some research for once.
You are not the judge and jury of anything.

Yes I was disgusted by the double standard I saw and continue to see when it comes to discussing race issues on this forum.

And I have no idea where the idea of lack of empathy for Native peoples is coming from.
That couldn't be further from the truth.

Just another pathetic attempt by you to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.

Tucker Carlson (Frenzy) & Tucker Jr (JeremyNick)

You completely refused to address 80% of my post.

You adamantly blamed Frenzy and myself for your tone. I provided multiple instances of your tone prior to either of us acknowledging you at all. You come back and like me to a guy I’ve never given thought to and just ignore the evidence. You won’t take any responsibility for your actions and postS here and just continue to blame everyone else. Pathetic.

And yes, you’re lack of empathy is apparent and thick.

You’re not who you think you are.

Here is a link to the book I’m currently reading in case you feel so inclined
https://www.amazon.com/Sitting-Bull-...830X/ref=nodl_

Here is a link to the one I finished recently. Another good read that will surely help you.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/b...peter-nabokov/