2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by discostu

Division, that's how we become great again.

And it's feeling great.

Keep on keeping on.

Crazy, I don't get why people want it so bad.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by discostu

Keep on keeping on.

[Jopeal]

No responses.

For the jokesters

https://www.naadac.org/assets/2416/k...es_ac17ho9.pdf

[ilovethelakings]

Originally Posted by Astros19

We've reached the point where when one can't reasonably debate, one memes instead.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

I prefer GIFs when it is time to debate.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

No responses.

For the jokesters

https://www.naadac.org/assets/2416/k...es_ac17ho9.pdf

More than likely, someone was in a gang trying to get someone in another gang and a child was accidently killed. It has nothing to do with racism. People choose to live that life.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

No responses.

For the jokesters

https://www.naadac.org/assets/2416/k...es_ac17ho9.pdf

My educated guess is that 9/10 Blowout Forum users fall under 'Terrorism'.

[ilovethelakings]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

No responses.

For the jokesters

https://www.naadac.org/assets/2416/k...es_ac17ho9.pdf

"***”Blacks” can be substituted with people of any nationality/ethnicity other than european white"

I know some people that would argue that to be incorrect.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

More than likely, someone was in a gang trying to get someone in another gang and a child was accidently killed. It has nothing to do with racism. People choose to live that life.

That'd seem a logical guess. Let's use that example.

Why would someone a. Join a gang & b. Try to shoot someone from a rival gang?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by ilovethelakings

"***”Blacks” can be substituted with people of any nationality/ethnicity other than european white"

I know some people that would argue that to be incorrect.

Agreed, but it's a very small side note to the entire chart.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

That'd seem a logical guess. Let's use that example.

Why would someone a. Join a gang & b. Try to shoot someone from a rival gang?

Because they choose to.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Because they choose to.

Why would someone choose that? And what do you think their background is?

Again, just make your most logical guess.

Do you think gang members have Good parents? Good education? Stable finances? Good mental health?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Why would someone choose that? And what do you think their background is?

Again, just make your most logical guess.

Do you think gang members have Good parents? Good education? Stable finances? Good mental health?

Probably no father, education may or may not be bad, no finances and who knows on mental health.

None of that is because of systematic racism. There is no evidence of systematic racism, today. I would be glad to see actual laws, evidence that it exists.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Probably no father, education may or may not be bad, no finances and who knows on mental health.

None of that is because of systematic racism. There is no evidence of systematic racism, today. I would be glad to see actual laws, evidence that it exists.

Seems like a fair assessment.

Why would a kid who grew up surrounded by gang activity but no family support, money or understanding of how to get ahead in life
A. join a gang?
B. Commit a shooting?

And what should he have done instead?

https://www.chicagomaroon.com/2009/1...gs-in-chicago/

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Seems like a fair assessment.

Why would a kid who grew up surrounded by gang activity but no family support, money or understanding of how to get ahead in life
A. join a gang?
B. Commit a shooting?

And what should he have done instead?

https://www.chicagomaroon.com/2009/1...gs-in-chicago/

Simple. Not join one. Most do have some family, just a mom and no father. Maybe get married before having kids? Mom could get out of the area.

How about instead of wasting time, you explain to me where the racism is?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Simple. Not join one. Most do have some family, just a mom and no father. Maybe get married before having kids? Mom could get out of the area.

How about instead of wasting time, you explain to me where the racism is?

It's not wasting time. I'm walking you step-by-step through something that is clearly not well understood on this thread.

So someone grows up in an environment riddled by gangs, no money, has no father figure. Mom possibly on drugs or never around and they're supposed to make all the right decisions in life? Really think about it for a minute.

You're saying don't join a gang when someone has no role models.
You're saying get married when they have no money and they're a teenager.

Mom could get out of the area? She's caught in the same cycle. PTSD, mental health never gets treated. No support herself. No money. No education.

Then some random white guys in a different part of the country, with completely different life experiences say "figure it out bucko" or "why can't these kids make the right decisions?" THEY LITERALLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. They're Kids that grew up in a War Zone.

And the govt says what? "Lock em all up cuz we sure as hell aren't putting any money into programs to assist these communities. What is this communism?"

That, my friend, is systemic racism.

Did you read the article yet?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

It's not wasting time. I'm walking you step-by-step through something that is clearly not well understood on this thread.

So someone grows up in an environment riddled by gangs, no money, has no father figure. Mom possibly on drugs or never around and they're supposed to make all the right decisions in life? Really think about it for a minute.

You're saying don't join a gang when someone has no role models.
You're saying get married when they have no money and they're a teenager.

Mom could get out of the area? She's caught in the same cycle. PTSD, mental health never gets treated. No support herself. No money. No education.

Then some random white guys in a different part of the country, with completely different life experiences say "figure it out bucko" or "why can't these kids make the right decisions?" THEY LITERALLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. They're Kids that grew up in a War Zone.

And the govt says what? "Lock em all up cuz we sure as hell aren't putting any money into programs to assist these communities. What is this communism?"

That, my friend, is systemic racism.

Did you read the article yet?

I did read it.

That isn't systemic racism. You want the government to intervene... which would be systemic racism. Don't commit a crime and you don't get locked up.

And we're looking at small numbers. Chicago is terrible BUT it's not like half the city is shooting each other. There are a lot of people in these neighborhoods trying to get out, planning to, etc. Thankfully, some do. Unfortunately, some get involved with really no choice except to try and stay alive.

Systemic racism would mean there are actual laws, in place, to keep a group of people down. That isn't the case.

[DegaBama]

We all have a story, good or bad. I'm sick of hearing about white supremacy and systemic racism. My brother and I grew up with deaf parents. These parents went to public schools where interpreters weren't allowed. There's a reason why people use the phrase, "deaf and dumb". They aren't dumb, they just had no chance of learning. They couldn't teach me anything.

Me: thousands of dollars of debt by 20, not in school but got my life together and had a career until COVID hit.

Brother: in and out of trouble, good days and bad days, got involved with some gang crap. OD on drugs and died 4 years ago.

I don't complain, I don't pout and blame a system. For whatever reason, I just made it when most didn't in MY situation. We all have stories to tell. Moments that shaped us. Most are successful and some aren't.

[rman112]

Bad, and/or nonexistent parents =/= Systemic racism

[rman112]

Stuff like that also ignores the kids in those similar situations that DIDN'T end up in only the way you're describing.

So what's the difference? Fate? Luck? Does any of it come down to the individial themself? Are choices still options?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

And the govt says what? "Lock em all up cuz we sure as hell aren't putting any money into programs to assist these communities. What is this communism?"

The government is saying "Lock em all up" because they committed a crime.

Your real issue is what you think the government should or shouldn't responsible for. It's not a matter of systemic racism, it's a matter of opinion on the government's function. That's what it boils down to.

[TheFrenzy]

What JoJo fails to understand is that there is a world of difference between arguing that entire demographics can be disadvantaged and saying crazy things like "THEY LITERALLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. That, my friend, is systemic racism."

If "systems" give us people who "literally" do not know that shooting children is wrong, then those "systems" also give us everyone else—good, bad, Trump voter, Biden voter—and no one is morally culpable for anything.

Too many people like JoJo, in trying to educate others about systemic issues, end up granting those systems mythical, omnipotent power.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

What JoJo fails to understand is that there is a world of difference between arguing that entire demographics can be disadvantaged and saying crazy things like "THEY LITERALLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. That, my friend, is systemic racism."

If "systems" give us people who "literally" do not know that shooting children is wrong, then those "systems" also give us everyone else—good, bad, Trump voter, Biden voter—and no one is morally culpable for anything.

Too many people like JoJo, in trying to educate others about systemic issues, end up granting those systems mythical, omnipotent power.

I don't know if I believe that pity/"they can't do ____" is a form of unrealized "racism" (that really doesn't seem like the right term), but it's not doing anyone any favors.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I did read it.

That isn't systemic racism. You want the government to intervene... which would be systemic racism. Don't commit a crime and you don't get locked up.

And we're looking at small numbers. Chicago is terrible BUT it's not like half the city is shooting each other. There are a lot of people in these neighborhoods trying to get out, planning to, etc. Thankfully, some do. Unfortunately, some get involved with really no choice except to try and stay alive.

Systemic racism would mean there are actual laws, in place, to keep a group of people down. That isn't the case.

"Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organisation. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues."

I know many people here seems to care (curiously all Republican-affiliated and white) but denial of the effects of systemic racism is a form of racism.

Here's a good read that sites 357 sources of reference material for systemic racism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

The government is here to serve the American people. What do you think the government is here for? To ignore the issues of it's citizens?

When government policies & budgetary spending is neglectful toward groups of people who are most in need and historically oppressed that is systemic racism.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

What JoJo fails to understand is that there is a world of difference between arguing that entire demographics can be disadvantaged and saying crazy things like "THEY LITERALLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. That, my friend, is systemic racism."

If "systems" give us people who "literally" do not know that shooting children is wrong, then those "systems" also give us everyone else—good, bad, Trump voter, Biden voter—and no one is morally culpable for anything.

Too many people like JoJo, in trying to educate others about systemic issues, end up granting those systems mythical, omnipotent power.

Disproportionately disadvantaged. Google it.

And if you think someone who has grown up in horrific conditions should know right from wrong without any assistance, you're the one living in a fantasy land buddy.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by rman112

I don't know if I believe that pity/"they can't do ____" is a form of unrealized "racism" (that really doesn't seem like the right term), but it's not doing anyone any favors.

Why does anyone help anybody else? Just curious.

Why does the government do anything to help its citizens ever?