PANINI FOTL BKB 10am CST - Page 124

Giantrobot · 12-02-2017, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tier1dc

oh, too bad. Wish they had codes like Topps products. I though the Hyper had grid lines all over it.

Well, they do, but it looks like yours have them. Could be just the scan. The Silvers are just like plain refractors. Hope they are! Big price difference.

regularp · 12-02-2017, 07:01 PM

Someone probably already posted it, but a Kuzma Gold got snatched up for a $350 BIN. It was up for three minutes. What a steal.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/KYLE-KUZMA-...p2047675.l2557

tier1dc · 12-02-2017, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantrobot

Well, they do, but it looks like yours have them. Could be just the scan. The Silvers are just like plain refractors. Hope they are! Big price difference.

side image. no grids.

SacGWYNN19 · 12-02-2017, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tier1dc

side image. no grids.

I thought they were silvers with the first pic. This confirms it. Noice!

auctionjmm · 12-02-2017, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Find any other set that has 44 boxes available, and these aren't even in the hands of everybody who purchased yet.

44 boxes of any set is a TON of boxes and a TON of sellers selling the same item on eBay. Think of how many people just put them away and didn't bother to list.

There's a single box of 12/13 on eBay that won't move for a smidge over $400. Boxes are a tough sell man and it takes them being truly rare to command a premium, and even then you may not have a buyer.

I'm not saying people can't move these, but around $350 seems too low considering what is inside and the upside.

I'm speaking as somebody who has no boxes so I don't have a dog in the hunt. But to move on eBay and clear roughly a $200 profit doesn't seem like enough considering the upside if I were to open, and close to no downside (taking a loss).

Sell through rates on eBay are misleading. The main suppliers of wax boxes on eBay intentionally list them higher than they expect to sell them for in hopes of driving traffic to their website, where you can find the boxes much cheaper. It's a marketing ploy. Secondly, any rare box can be quickly liquidated via auction just like a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle can be liquidated quickly via auction, even though others sit on eBay for years. And the funny thing is...auctions on those items almost always end exactly where the most recent market trend is. For some reason certain buyers prefer to fight over an auction than to simply put an offer in on a comparable one. I don't know why that is. I bet if that lonely 12/13 box were auctioned off it would sell for right around the current asking price, as weird as that sounds.

Don't forget, 12/13 Prizm had a MUCH lower price tag than 17/18 from the start. $400 on that product is equivalent to $800 on this product if you want to use the same multiplier.

And finally, Prizm is a different animal altogether. With the recent silver prizm craze and realized closing prices on eBay being better than expected for singles, I think these boxes will continue to climb and do so a lot quicker than you think they will.

Giantrobot · 12-02-2017, 07:26 PM

Whoever snagged those Silver RCs on eBay.....Lonzo-$199, Josh Jackson and Isaac-$49, Markkanen-$39......congrats. Wow.

hard2guardtoo · 12-02-2017, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Sell through rates on eBay are misleading. The main suppliers of wax boxes on eBay intentionally list them higher than they expect to sell them for in hopes of driving traffic to their website, where you can find the boxes much cheaper. It's a marketing ploy. Secondly, any rare box can be quickly liquidated via auction just like a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle can be liquidated quickly via auction, even though others sit on eBay for years. And the funny thing is...auctions on those items almost always end exactly where the most recent market trend is. For some reason certain buyers prefer to fight over an auction than to simply put an offer in on a comparable one. I don't know why that is. I bet if that lonely 12/13 box were auctioned off it would sell for right around the current asking price, as weird as that sounds.

Don't forget, 12/13 Prizm had a MUCH lower price tag than 17/18 from the start. $400 on that product is equivalent to $800 on this product if you want to use the same multiplier.

And finally, Prizm is a different animal altogether. With the recent silver prizm craze and realized closing prices on eBay being better than expected for singles, I think these boxes will continue to climb and do so a lot quicker than you think they will.

The 12/13 box is also a regular hobby and the 17/18 is a jumbo hobby.

swerve · 12-02-2017, 07:41 PM

Sold all of my boxes today at a small show. Got 300-315/bx with no fees. So that is about $350/bx on ebay. All the boxes went to people looking to bust so I am satisfied.

Sold one box by the pack at $30/pk and sold the last three packs at $20/ea. since the red shimmers and autos had been hit already. Best card in the packed out box was a Josh Jackson Purple. Had Lonzo base, Gallianari Shimmer, Seth Curry Auto, TJ Leaf Auto, other shimmer was a nobody.

Luni · 12-02-2017, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by regularp

Someone probably already posted it, but a Kuzma Gold got snatched up for a $350 BIN. It was up for three minutes. What a steal.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/KYLE-KUZMA-...p2047675.l2557

Jesus... I sold my Kuzma Silver for 325... A gold for 350? Wow left a lot of money on the table for that one.

Carrbeaz · 12-02-2017, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Luni

Jesus... I sold my Kuzma Silver for 325... A gold for 350? Wow left a lot of money on the table for that one.

Now those of us with Kuzmas can expect dolts on ebay to offer us a lot less because they will say.. well a gold only sold for $350

Giantrobot · 12-02-2017, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

Now those of us with Kuzmas can expect dolts on ebay to offer us a lot less because they will say.. well a gold only sold for $350

I like to reply with "and they gave away a Maserati for free on The Price Is Right. Think they'll honor that down at the dealership?"

Luni · 12-02-2017, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

Now those of us with Kuzmas can expect dolts on ebay to offer us a lot less because they will say.. well a gold only sold for $350

Yes definitely... Though I think I could bare to have the problem of having a Kuzma gold right about now!

schultz24 · 12-02-2017, 09:43 PM

Anyone have any boxes left available to help a brotha out, I'm looking for one to bust. Please PM me. Thanks!

mindcycle · 12-02-2017, 09:46 PM

Welp.. three emails and a vm to Panini trying to get my order which I placed the morning these went live and was charged for, has been refunded.. I never heard back from anyone, I only received a refund email just now.

I was really hoping I'd be able to get a few of these boxes but I'm out of luck I guess..

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401cards · 12-02-2017, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Luni

Yes definitely... Though I think I could bare to have the problem of having a Kuzma gold right about now!

I know the guy who hit the BIN on that Kuzma. He told me the seller cancelled the order because someone had offered him a higher price direct.

arod305 · 12-02-2017, 10:57 PM

I appear to have received my 6 box refunds from panini. Glad that got taken care of!

mjcomerford91 · 12-02-2017, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by arod305

I appear to have received my 6 box refunds from panini. Glad that got taken care of!

Still haven't received mine

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UltimateDeron · 12-03-2017, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 401cards

I know the guy who hit the BIN on that Kuzma. He told me the seller cancelled the order because someone had offered him a higher price direct.

Wow.. that sucks.

UltimateDeron · 12-03-2017, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantrobot

Nope, those are Hypers

Those are most definitely Silvers.

Andy5 · 12-03-2017, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 401cards

I know the guy who hit the BIN on that Kuzma. He told me the seller cancelled the order because someone had offered him a higher price direct.

Wow. If that direct deal was done after the sale on ebay, the seller and the other buyer are douchebags.

UltimateDeron · 12-03-2017, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantrobot

Whoever snagged those Silver RCs on eBay.....Lonzo-$199, Josh Jackson and Isaac-$49, Markkanen-$39......congrats. Wow.

Those were not Silvers. Those were Hypers..

Luni · 12-03-2017, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 401cards

I know the guy who hit the BIN on that Kuzma. He told me the seller cancelled the order because someone had offered him a higher price direct.

What sucks is that the guy who offered the higher price direct probably still ripped off the seller. Probably was like.. oh I can give a much better deal at 500 bucks for that card!

Giantrobot · 12-03-2017, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

Those were not Silvers. Those were Hypers..

Not the ones I saw. He listed the colors in order, and the prices went down across the board, with the Silvers being lowest. I don't think he realized they command a premium. If they didn't sell, he pulled them quickly but left a few others under $10.

Giantrobot · 12-03-2017, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

Those are most definitely Silvers.

Yeah, we covered this already, but thanks for the input. The lines on the top and bottom made it look like a blurry scan of a Hyper, because silvers are smooth. I made a mistake.

joem1cha3l · 12-03-2017, 06:48 AM

I tell you what....I just started collecting basketball about 6 weeks ago. This is the first wax that I’ve broken. I have seriously underestimated the Asian market in basketball. I know this is a hot product but if they want a card, they don’t mess around. This might be my new full time sport.

12-02-2017, 07:41 PM	#3083
swerve Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: AUSTIN, TX Posts: 5,100 0023	Sold all of my boxes today at a small show. Got 300-315/bx with no fees. So that is about $350/bx on ebay. All the boxes went to people looking to bust so I am satisfied. Sold one box by the pack at $30/pk and sold the last three packs at $20/ea. since the red shimmers and autos had been hit already. Best card in the packed out box was a Josh Jackson Purple. Had Lonzo base, Gallianari Shimmer, Seth Curry Auto, TJ Leaf Auto, other shimmer was a nobody. __________________ checkoutmycards.com/users/0023

12-02-2017, 07:01 PM	#3077
regularp Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,176	Someone probably already posted it, but a Kuzma Gold got snatched up for a $350 BIN. It was up for three minutes. What a steal. https://www.ebay.com/itm/KYLE-KUZMA-...p2047675.l2557

12-02-2017, 07:26 PM	#3081
Giantrobot Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 4,844	Whoever snagged those Silver RCs on eBay.....Lonzo-$199, Josh Jackson and Isaac-$49, Markkanen-$39......congrats. Wow.

12-02-2017, 09:43 PM	#3088
schultz24 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 295 Schultz24	Anyone have any boxes left available to help a brotha out, I'm looking for one to bust. Please PM me. Thanks!

12-02-2017, 09:46 PM	#3089
mindcycle Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5,043	Welp.. three emails and a vm to Panini trying to get my order which I placed the morning these went live and was charged for, has been refunded.. I never heard back from anyone, I only received a refund email just now. I was really hoping I'd be able to get a few of these boxes but I'm out of luck I guess.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12-02-2017, 10:57 PM	#3091
arod305 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Midwest Posts: 8,048	I appear to have received my 6 box refunds from panini. Glad that got taken care of!

12-03-2017, 06:48 AM	#3100
joem1cha3l Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Albany. NY Posts: 6,465	I tell you what....I just started collecting basketball about 6 weeks ago. This is the first wax that I’ve broken. I have seriously underestimated the Asian market in basketball. I know this is a hot product but if they want a card, they don’t mess around. This might be my new full time sport.