2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by Astros19

The same antifa that Nadler says is a myth in Portland?

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In this case you have missed the point. The guy in the video was not a Cop or ANTIFA. In all the cities they have found that groups on both sides are guilty.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by discostu

The $600 Unemployment Insurance needs to end.

Either do larger direct payments or push that money through PPP.

As for PPP, if businesses are operating at 50% of their previous Q1/Q2 receipts, they are probably going out of business and PPP is throwing away money by postponing the inevitable.

The intent of PPP was to keep people employed, the UI seemed to counter that logic. Both programs relied on systems that simply weren't ready players - banks and state unemployment.

It's comical that we're talking about more this.

Agreed. It's a joke and it's pure laziness.

The whole idea behind the $600 bonus was that they didn't want to calculate how much they'd need to give to make everybody who was going to be forced out of a job whole.

They could have nationalized the payrolls based off last years earnings and/or the most recent tax returns.

The calculations were more complex, but it wasn't an impossible feat. Instead they chose the easy way out. Give everybody $600 extra. They forced people on to outdated UE systems.

I'd even let Congress slide initially because they needed an immediate response. At this point in the game they've had over 4 months to get the system right. They've willfully neglected their responsibilities (as always) and created the worst type of system imaginable that they can't shut off.

Those $600 bonus payments have helped to keep the country afloat and even allowed some large sectors to GAIN market capitalization. 70% of people are making more money being unemployed vs. working a job. That's not right. 30% of people have less than they had before because the $600 wasn't enough. That's not right either.

This isn't an issue of "there's not enough money". By the time COVID is over it wouldn't surprise me to see over $10T in stimulus (we're approaching that number soon anyway). We have the money. What we don't have is the political will.

Now the economy is directly tied to how much money elected representatives will elect to dole out. Had they nationalized payroll from the jump and kept businesses/employees whole it not only would have cost less but would have kept people inside longer to get past the virus.

I don't blame people for going out and working when the government isn't doing anything to help them in trying financial times. The fact that they're bickering over $200 or $600 UI and essentially holding the financial future of the country, in the short term, hostage over this is laughable.

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I don’t know, $1.75 seems cheap. I would have thought it was at least tree fiddy. I say give it to him.

My error should be $1.75 billion. Is that alot in D.C.?

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I think the underlying issue was when PPP and the UI were instituted it was seen as a short term, temp bridge.

We are now in month 4 with little to no clear idea of when this will end.

Instead of re-evaluating the needs and solutions it seems they just want to keep adding to that bridge. It seems more and more apparent now we are heading to a very bad end.

I don't disagree.

It may seem radical to some, but the best way to get people off of unemployment lines is to employ them. It's better to get "free money" and feel like you're still part of your company and have some semblance of a "future" by being employed, rather than on the dole with no future.

For us, PPP kept our employees employed (or rehired), when PPP ran out, we laid off some employees. It was highly flawed and slanted, but it had some temporary success.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by discostu

I don't disagree.

It may seem radical to some, but the best way to get people off of unemployment lines is to employ them. It's better to get "free money" and feel like you're still part of your company and have some semblance of a "future" by being employed, rather than on the dole with no future.

For us, PPP kept our employees employed (or rehired), when PPP ran out, we laid off some employees. It was highly flawed and slanted, but it had some temporary success.

I agree wholeheartedly. PPP was helpful but flawed.

The issue with safety nets is sometimes they are too comfortable to leave.

[Siberian13]

When do I get my next $1,200 check? I got some stuff that’s been “catching my eye”

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

The clock is unlimited. We good

The clock may be, but money is not.

[wood minis]

There are no easy answers for any of this. The initial stimulus has kept most everyone afloat up to now. The miscalculation has been what the duration of the pandemic has been/will be. This final package, however it shakes out, is more of the same...a bridge until it runs out and we see where we are at.

I find it interesting that there are millionaire lawmakers fussing about people making an extra $600 a week. I mean, that's a base rate even if you are making a little more than what you were making pre-pandemic. Life is expensive, and especially for the poor and lower middle class. Having more people stay home at this juncture isn't what I would call foolish.

In the future, short of effective treatment or herd immunity being the reality (meaning you have lifelong immunity afterwards if you get COVID-19), the government probably would have to send everyone a lump sum to get a couple weeks to month worth of food and supplies and then shut it all down at the same time, including most essential workers, until the virus runs its course. In conjunction with not allowing any travel into the country.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by budd2222

In this case you have missed the point. The guy in the video was not a Cop or ANTIFA. In all the cities they have found that groups on both sides are guilty.

No, I understood your point.
In fairness I wasn't very clear but you missed my point as well.
As proven multiple times in this thread, it's pretty easy to find stories on the net of idiots on both sides.
The only difference being, the idiot I pointed out is an elected congressman.

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[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

The clock may be, but money is not.

Just print more. They do it all the time. What’s the value of a piece of paper anyways?

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I'll offer a simple purity test for anyone who still cares and leave it at this:

Black Lives Matter

If you just read those words and had a negative thought toward black people, you have your answer. No need to be officially outed by me.

I have negative thoughts toward pandering whites who continue to see black people as incapable agents of their own destiny. I believe it’s racist to strip an entire group of people of their accountability and to then suggest that this group can only achieve equal outcomes through government policy that is largely influenced and created by another group.

I have negative thoughts toward mainstream media for introducing themes and ideas to the public and then continuing to reinforce those themes and ideas through limited anecdotal evidence when these themes and ideas don’t hold up to empirical scrutiny. Specifically, police brutality being not only a racial issue, but a worsening problem in America, when the first isn’t true and the second is the opposite of the truth.

There are other feelings...

Disgust for incidents like Chauvin/Floyd. Regardless of Floyd’s character, criminal history, and drug use, Chauvin is not the judge or jury, and he certainly didn’t have a right to be the executioner. I think these are isolated incidents, not racially motivated, and should be used to come up with police reform to not only protect the citizens from bad cops but to protect the good cops from bad citizens. I have feelings of hope that positive changes can be made that will benefit all Americans in this regard.

I have sympathy for those who have lost their lives, been injured, lost loved ones, or lost a business due to senseless violence and riots.

Confusion when I hear that “not all lives can matter until black lives matter.” The only incidents we hear about are those where the black person is the victim. “If Floyd were white he’d be alive,” is a comment I’ve seen a lot. If Floyd were white, his name would be Tony Timpa, and no one would care.

I also have feelings of disdain for humanity and general apathy for things that I don’t consider to be my business. These specific feelings come and go.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by wood minis

There are no easy answers for any of this. The initial stimulus has kept most everyone afloat up to now. The miscalculation has been what the duration of the pandemic has been/will be. This final package, however it shakes out, is more of the same...a bridge until it runs out and we see where we are at.

I find it interesting that there are millionaire lawmakers fussing about people making an extra $600 a week. I mean, that's a base rate even if you are making a little more than what you were making pre-pandemic. Life is expensive, and especially for the poor and lower middle class. Having more people stay home at this juncture isn't what I would call foolish.

In the future, short of effective treatment or herd immunity being the reality (meaning you have lifelong immunity afterwards if you get COVID-19), the government probably would have to send everyone a lump sum to get a couple weeks to month worth of food and supplies and then shut it all down at the same time, including most essential workers, until the virus runs its course. In conjunction with not allowing any travel into the country.

I’m all for whatever program we want to fund as long as we can pay for it, which we can’t.

[Astros19]

Speaking of PPP, did you know it's pretty easy to lookup which companies got money?
For instance my brother's employer, a used car lot owner, received a 350K to million dollars forgivable loan.
The irony with his employer is the last 3 months they've had record car and truck sales. He basically double dipped receiving his PPP money and God knows how much more from selling more cars to people who received their stimulus and unemployment bonus money.

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[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Speaking of PPP, did you know it's pretty easy to lookup which companies got money?
For instance my brother's employer, a used car lot owner, received a 350K to million dollars forgivable loan.
The irony with his employer is the last 3 months they've had record car and truck sales. He basically double dipped receiving his PPP money and God knows how much more from selling more cars to people who received their stimulus and unemployment bonus money.

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So many people have taken advantage of the free money. Anytime handouts are given, shady people pop up to get theirs.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Just print more. They do it all the time. What’s the value of a piece of paper anyways?

Less and less as they print more. That’s why I convert all cash into sports cards ASAP. I will offer you 10 Lebron Prizms for that Prius.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I have negative thoughts toward pandering whites who continue to see black people as incapable agents of their own destiny. I believe it’s racist to strip an entire group of people of their accountability and to then suggest that this group can only achieve equal outcomes through government policy that is largely influenced and created by another group.

I have negative thoughts toward mainstream media for introducing themes and ideas to the public and then continuing to reinforce those themes and ideas through limited anecdotal evidence when these themes and ideas don’t hold up to empirical scrutiny. Specifically, police brutality being not only a racial issue, but a worsening problem in America, when the first isn’t true and the second is the opposite of the truth.

There are other feelings...

Disgust for incidents like Chauvin/Floyd. Regardless of Floyd’s character, criminal history, and drug use, Chauvin is not the judge or jury, and he certainly didn’t have a right to be the executioner. I think these are isolated incidents, not racially motivated, and should be used to come up with police reform to not only protect the citizens from bad cops but to protect the good cops from bad citizens. I have feelings of hope that positive changes can be made that will benefit all Americans in this regard.

I have sympathy for those who have lost their lives, been injured, lost loved ones, or lost a business due to senseless violence and riots.

Confusion when I hear that “not all lives can matter until black lives matter.” The only incidents we hear about are those where the black person is the victim. “If Floyd were white he’d be alive,” is a comment I’ve seen a lot. If Floyd were white, his name would be Tony Timpa, and no one would care.

I also have feelings of disdain for humanity and general apathy for things that I don’t consider to be my business. These specific feelings come and go.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Speaking of PPP, did you know it's pretty easy to lookup which companies got money?
For instance my brother's employer, a used car lot owner, received a 350K to million dollars forgivable loan.
The irony with his employer is the last 3 months they've had record car and truck sales. He basically double dipped receiving his PPP money and God knows how much more from selling more cars to people who received their stimulus and unemployment bonus money.

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Yes you can look it up, but be skeptical of the data.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fre...amp/5405349002

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I’m all for whatever program we want to fund as long as we can pay for it, which we can’t.

I think we've been past being able to pay for things for awhile.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Less and less as they print more. That’s why I convert all cash into sports cards ASAP. I will offer you 10 Lebron Prizms for that Prius.

I’m sorry sir your Lebron's are made from destroying the rainforest. Prius drivers are better than you.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by wood minis

I think we've been past being able to pay for things for awhile.

True story. The dollar is continuing to be devalued. You think the world is burning now? Wait for it... you're going to wish COVID came back with a few of its cousins.

But yet we still allow interest rates to be sliced to bits. We still allow the government to run the printing presses, all in the name of a phony attempt at "capitalism". And no, I'm not advocating for socialism, I'm calling what we're doing now NOT capitalism and we're all going to suffer because of it.

[trixstar]

Man so much good news today from captain dipsh*t today. Pulling our troops out of Germany. Brushing off the Russian bounty question by saying Americans helped the taliban too. Tripling down on his support to Dr demon sex creep. What a time to be an American.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Man so much good news today from captain dipsh*t today. Pulling our troops out of Germany. Brushing off the Russian bounty question by saying Americans helped the taliban too. Tripling down on his support to Dr demon sex creep. What a time to be an American.

Curious, why do we need troops in Germany?

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by budd2222

Within hours that was debunked. Turns out a ex wife saw a chance to get even. Anyone that followed it knew that. If some people would look at more than Fox News or far right news they may find out what is going on in the world.

Where do you get your news?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Man so much good news today from captain dipsh*t today. Pulling our troops out of Germany. Brushing off the Russian bounty question by saying Americans helped the taliban too. Tripling down on his support to Dr demon sex creep. What a time to be an American.

I brought this up earlier but, as usual, none of the President's kult cared to comment on it. Any other President would have been all over Putin but not this clown POTUS.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...ostcount=30400

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Curious, why do we need troops in Germany?

Germany is (was) an Ally
Troops there allow us a strategic position in Europe