Deshaun Watson Prices - Page 121

Onepocketj · 08-01-2022, 09:28 AM

Hoped for less but I can live with it.
Now just looking forward to his return. It's been a long time since he suited up.

blackbears86 · 08-01-2022, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by progers9119

Watson hype train begins here. All of a sudden, the trade looks like a big Browns victory because they're getting one of the top QBs in the league on the field pretty quickly. The fans won't care about the 6 games missed when he comes back week 7.

fixed for you.

blackbears86 · 08-01-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Terrible.

Ridley got a year for betting 1500 dollars.
Brady got 2? 3? for messing with the footballs.

I think Brady got 4 games for deflategate, which was absolute garbage.

blackbears86 · 08-01-2022, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cavsfan70

Pete Rose is banned for life for betting on baseball and ya'll think Ridley getting more than Watson is out of wack?

I think Ridley bet on one game (others correct me if I'm wrong)

Rose bet on several games over the course of a season

sethc1020 · 08-01-2022, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by zonacats8

Comparing Watson to Vick just doesn't make any sense, we live in totally different times right now than we did back then.

If the Vick thing happened to someone today, their career is finished, regardless of how good they are, no team is taking the PR hit to sign him once out of jail. I'm also a huge dog lover myself and he was dead to me the second it happened, I personally felt like his career should have been finished back then, but with today's culture, he wouldn't be given another chance in the league.

I also think if there was even a shred of actual evidence, dude is in jail, and even if not, with even the tiniest bit of real evidence, he's getting at minimum a full year suspension from the league. Pretty sure in the end, this is just all about the hard facts and that there is no evidence other than the women's testimonies.

Court of public opinion, everyone knows the dude is guilty, but like the old saying goes, unfortunately, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

People love their animals more than their fellow Humans. It sad but true.

BostonNut · 08-01-2022, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I think Brady got 4 games for deflategate, which was absolute garbage.

But but but SpyGate!!11

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blackbears86 · 08-01-2022, 09:48 AM

People are saying 6 games is too lenient, but it is what it is.

He will likely live with being branded a disgusting pervert for the rest of his life, but if he balls out (pun intended) all will be quickly forgotten.

Fenway55 · 08-01-2022, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I think Ridley bet on one game (others correct me if I'm wrong)

Rose bet on several games over the course of a season

It was later revealed that Ridley bet on a small handful of games, including games involving his own team. Yes, he was separated from the team at the time, but he was still an Atlanta Falcon.

Of course, those are just the ones we know about. Chances are there's more out there we don't.

By comparison, Pete Rose was (still is) a chronic gambler with several years history of betting on MLB games, including ones within which he played and/or managed. I saw him in Vegas once at his memorabilia store, where he still sells autos regularly.

Onepocketj · 08-01-2022, 10:11 AM

PSA 9 Prizms were going for $99 last night. One just sold for $175.
A Rookie Signatures NT and a Contenders Optic auto just sold for $750-$800.
I think his prices pick up more going into the season.

majestik101 · 08-01-2022, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Should have been 8-10.

Oh well

Agreed. Handsy McGroperson should've been "handed" a longer suspension.

JeremyNick · 08-01-2022, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Diver757

Roethlisberger got 6 reduced to 4. Watson gets the same for quite a few more allegations. That being said he did already sit a year so 18 total if you look at it that way. I think the NFL takes a PR hit for just 6 officially though.

24-2

I’d say that’s quite a few more.

clocsta2323 · 08-01-2022, 10:31 AM

Too harsh. But it's refreshing to see an objective judge disregard public opinion & hearsay and stick to FACTUAL EVIDENCE. Not many examples of that these days.

blackbears86 · 08-01-2022, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Onepocketj

PSA 9 Prizms were going for $99 last night. One just sold for $175.
A Rookie Signatures NT and a Contenders Optic auto just sold for $750-$800.
I think his prices pick up more going into the season.

You are probably right, but I don't get it.

He's suspended for 6 games-- so he can practice on his own, but can't be at the browns facility, workout with other players, etc... (at least I think that's the rules)
He's back week 7 at the Ravens which won't be an easy game seeing he hasn't played in a real game for over a year and a half.
one advantage: he can still participate in training camp and pre-season games.

Am I the only one thinking he's going to be rusty for a game or two when he comes back? (his second game back will be home against the Bengals)

And who knows what the Browns record will be when he comes back? I'm sorry Browns fans, I don't see them making a lot of noise this year,

Boo · 08-01-2022, 10:34 AM

I think the NFL appeals, at least for "looks".

Onepocketj · 08-01-2022, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

I think the NFL appeals, at least for "looks".

Didn't they already say they're not going to fight the decision?

Fenway55 · 08-01-2022, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

And who knows what the Browns record will be when he comes back? I'm sorry Browns fans, I don't see them making a lot of noise this year,

They start the season with a very easy 4 game stretch. Carolina (5 wins last year), Jets (4 wins last year), Steelers (major downgrade at QB), Falcons (major downgrade at QB). Then 2 tougher ones against the Chargers and Patriots.

3-3 is an extremely realistic record to have in place for Deshaun's return, which puts them right in the middle of the WC race and probably no more than a game out of first place in their division.

IMHO the big unknown for Cleveland is not how those 6 games go because, as mentioned above, 3-3 is very do-able.... but rather the big unknown is how Deshaun performs in his first action in 22 months.

(Needless to say, the above assumes his 6 game suspension does not get increased)

Boo · 08-01-2022, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Didn't they already say they're not going to fight the decision?

From what I recall, the NFLPA said they weren't going to appeal anything and "hoped" the NFL wouldn't either.

JeremyNick · 08-01-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

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You are probably right, but I don't get it.

He's suspended for 6 games-- so he can practice on his own, but can't be at the browns facility, workout with other players, etc... (at least I think that's the rules)
He's back week 7 at the Ravens which won't be an easy game seeing he hasn't played in a real game for over a year and a half.
one advantage: he can still participate in training camp and pre-season games.

Am I the only one thinking he's going to be rusty for a game or two when he comes back? (his second game back will be home against the Bengals)

And who knows what the Browns record will be when he comes back? I'm sorry Browns fans, I don't see them making a lot of noise this year,

That sounds about right. It will be interesting to see because this year will presumably be a wash unless they do well the first 6 games. Maybe the can get a wildcard spot but that will be hard in this division.

It will be interesting starting 2023 because that’s when Watson’s money kicks in. Depending on where you look, right now it appears they are at least $30 mil over the projected cap for next year.

packman80 · 08-01-2022, 10:45 AM

In the days leading up to Robinson's decision, the league and Watson's side engaged in further settlement talks, sources told ESPN's Dan Graziano, but neither side ever felt they were close to an agreement. The most Watson's side indicated it was willing to offer was a suspension in the range of six to eight games, according to sources. The best the league indicated it was willing to offer was a 12-game suspension and a significant fine -- in the range of $8 million, sources said. While the NFLPA said it will not appeal the decision, the league still has the right to appeal.

Watson and NFLPA happy as they got what they were offering the NFL. I think NFL will appeal as they got nothing close to what they wanted.

asujbl · 08-01-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

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You are probably right, but I don't get it.

He's suspended for 6 games-- so he can practice on his own, but can't be at the browns facility, workout with other players, etc... (at least I think that's the rules)
He's back week 7 at the Ravens which won't be an easy game seeing he hasn't played in a real game for over a year and a half.
one advantage: he can still participate in training camp and pre-season games.

Am I the only one thinking he's going to be rusty for a game or two when he comes back? (his second game back will be home against the Bengals)

And who knows what the Browns record will be when he comes back? I'm sorry Browns fans, I don't see them making a lot of noise this year,

"Watson will continue to be able to participate in practices and games during the preseason. But he will have to be away from the team during the first half of the suspension after the regular season begins. According to the CBA, Watson will be allowed to rejoin the Browns and practice with them during the second half of the suspension, which would begin in Week 4"

blackbears86 · 08-01-2022, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fenway55

They start the season with a very easy 4 game stretch. Carolina (5 wins last year), Jets (4 wins last year), Steelers (new QB), Falcons (new QB). Then 2 tougher ones against the Chargers and Patriots.

3-3 is an extremely realistic record to have in place for Deshaun's return, which puts them right in the middle of the WC race and probably no more than a game out of first place in their division.

IMHO the big unknown for Cleveland is not how those 6 games go, but rather how Deshaun performs in his first action in 22 months.

I agree, the start to the season doesn't look terrible, but the back end (when he comes back) is nasty.

game 7: @ Ravens---first game back, on the road probably a L
game 8: vs Bengals--likely a L
game 9: @ Dolphins-- tough one, one the road, could go either way
game 10: @ Bills--L
game 11: vs Bucs--L
game 12: @ Texans--W
game 13: @ Bengals--L
game 14: vs Ravens--Maybe a W
game 15: vs Saints--L (I'm liking the Saints this year)
game 16: @ Commanders-- Maybe a W
game 17: @ Steelers-- likely a L

The only games I could 100% pencil in as a win is Texans, maybe the Dolphins and the Commanders too, but those are away games. The others are a loss or too close to call.

CanadianKid · 08-01-2022, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I agree, the start to the season doesn't look terrible, but the back end (when he comes back) is nasty.

game 7: @ Ravens
game 8: vs Bengals
game 9: @ Dolphins
game 10: @ Bills
game 11: vs Bucs
game 12: @ Texans
game 13: @ Bengals
game 14: vs Ravens
games 15: vs Saints
game 16: @ Commanders
game 17: @ Steelers

The only games I could 100% pencil in as a win is Texans, maybe the Dolphins and the Commanders too, but those are away games. The others are a loss or too close to call.

I agree, that is a very tough stretch to end it, yikes.

jg8422 · 08-01-2022, 11:20 AM

So what impact will the 6 game ban have on his card values?

Go up initially b/c we all know he will be back?

Stay where they are until he actually starts playing and then go up/down based on performance?

Stay the same unless his team does very well? Their schedule looks brutal so I don't see them even making the playoffs.

Thoughts?

tjforce · 08-01-2022, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I agree, the start to the season doesn't look terrible, but the back end (when he comes back) is nasty.

game 7: @ Ravens---first game back, on the road probably a L
game 8: vs Bengals--likely a L
game 9: @ Dolphins-- tough one, one the road, could go either way
game 10: @ Bills--L
game 11: vs Bucs--L
game 12: @ Texans--W
game 13: @ Bengals--L
game 14: vs Ravens--Maybe a W
game 15: vs Saints--L (I'm liking the Saints this year)
game 16: @ Commanders-- Maybe a W
game 17: @ Steelers-- likely a L

The only games I could 100% pencil in as a win is Texans, maybe the Dolphins and the Commanders too, but those are away games. The others are a loss or too close to call.

I have trouble penciling in 2 automatic losses to the Bengals when the Browns have beaten them the last 4 times they've played. 3 of those games with Joey B.

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Onepocketj Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 22,728 jeflave-0 onepocketj	Hoped for less but I can live with it. Now just looking forward to his return. It's been a long time since he suited up.

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blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,190 blackbears86	People are saying 6 games is too lenient, but it is what it is. He will likely live with being branded a disgusting pervert for the rest of his life, but if he balls out (pun intended) all will be quickly forgotten.

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Onepocketj Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 22,728 jeflave-0 onepocketj	PSA 9 Prizms were going for $99 last night. One just sold for $175. A Rookie Signatures NT and a Contenders Optic auto just sold for $750-$800. I think his prices pick up more going into the season.

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clocsta2323 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: D.C. Posts: 6,874	Too harsh. But it's refreshing to see an objective judge disregard public opinion & hearsay and stick to FACTUAL EVIDENCE. Not many examples of that these days.

08-01-2022, 10:45 AM	#3019
packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 17,214	In the days leading up to Robinson's decision, the league and Watson's side engaged in further settlement talks, sources told ESPN's Dan Graziano, but neither side ever felt they were close to an agreement. The most Watson's side indicated it was willing to offer was a suspension in the range of six to eight games, according to sources. The best the league indicated it was willing to offer was a 12-game suspension and a significant fine -- in the range of $8 million, sources said. While the NFLPA said it will not appeal the decision, the league still has the right to appeal. Watson and NFLPA happy as they got what they were offering the NFL. I think NFL will appeal as they got nothing close to what they wanted.

08-01-2022, 11:20 AM	#3023
jg8422 Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 113	So what impact will the 6 game ban have on his card values? Go up initially b/c we all know he will be back? Stay where they are until he actually starts playing and then go up/down based on performance? Stay the same unless his team does very well? Their schedule looks brutal so I don't see them even making the playoffs. Thoughts?