2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, Trump is clear when he says that we cannot mail ballots to everyone and anyone. Request a ballot, make a vote. It's simple.

As for the National holiday, I really don't care. Sure I guess; I could use another day off.

Where is Trump clear on this?

Not asking if Election Day being a holiday is good for you, I'm asking if it'd be more fair for the voting public?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Where is Trump clear on this?

Not asking if Election Day being a holiday is good for you, I'm asking if it'd be more fair for the voting public?

Where is he unclear?

As for the National Holiday, probably gets less people to vote but again, I could use the day off. Rather than vote in person (and have an excuse to take a half day off of work), I'll just mail in my vote and spend the whole day doing something I want to do.

[cnewby]

Its hilarious to watch every single dim simply talk for 5+ minutes, completely ignoring any attempt at an answer as if they're accomplishing anything.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Too much money working against it. It’s ok... I will continue to get it illegally without issue.

It's been established in this thread that the U.S. is not a Democracy, and some people don't care.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Where is he unclear?

As for the National Holiday, probably gets less people to vote but again, I could use the day off. Rather than vote in person (and have an excuse to take a half day off of work), I'll just mail in my vote and spend the whole day doing something I want to do.

Why would less people vote if it were a Holiday?
The National Holiday & mail-in ballots are two separate concepts, not a singular issue.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...124539392?s=20

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Its hilarious to watch every single dim simply talk for 5+ minutes, completely ignoring any attempt at an answer as if they're accomplishing anything.

They are accomplishing proving what kind of people they are.

“It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it,”

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

It's been established in this thread that the U.S. is not a Democracy, and some people don't care.

Okay?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Why would less people vote if it were a Holiday?
The National Holiday & mail-in ballots are two separate concepts, not a singular issue.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...124539392?s=20

If you continue on that tweet, it's clear he's talking about Californias plan to mail tens of millions of ballots to every registered voter. I agree, that would be a disaster.

As for the National Holiday, for the very reason I suggested. If you give people a day off, they will use it to do things they want to do, not to vote. I know ideally, it sounds like you're giving more people the opportunity to vote but in practice you do the opposite. Anyone employed can vote on company time without fear or penalty from their employer.

Few, if any people aren't voting because they couldn't get off work. Conversely, if you give people the day off, they'll be at the beach, they'll be shopping for early Christmas deals ... they'll plan longer vacations and roll Monday into a 4-day weekend trip. People that want to vote, will vote. People who don't, won't. A National holiday won't incentivize votes.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Our voting system is archaic and it seems the Republican party is keen on working against progressing this system, not withstanding the logistic difficulties of in-person voting in the 2020 election.

From the article you cited: "A bigger problem than the delays, though, is that thousands of votes cast in good faith are getting invalidated during the counting process, candidates and good-government activists say.

Some ballots are being knocked out because voters forgot to sign and date them; others because envelopes lacked postmarks that would indicate whether the ballot was dropped in the mail in time to beat the voting deadline."

What do you propose?

I’m not as versed on the NY State Primary voting issues, though you seem to be. What are Republicans in NY doing to work against progressing resolutions to the primary election issues?

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by rman112

You come to this thread to complain and self-soothe, yet say that others are safe spacing. Alright..

Yes, because I enjoy nothing but support for every comment I make in this thread from the throng of right-wingers in here, lol (quite the opposite actually)...you must know nothing about the demographics or composition of the bulk of the posters in this thread.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If you continue on that tweet, it's clear he's talking about Californias plan to mail tens of millions of ballots to every registered voter. I agree, that would be a disaster.

As for the National Holiday, for the very reason I suggested. If you give people a day off, they will use it to do things they want to do, not to vote. I know ideally, it sounds like you're giving more people the opportunity to vote but in practice you do the opposite. Anyone employed can vote on company time without fear or penalty from their employer.

Few, if any people aren't voting because they couldn't get off work. Conversely, if you give people the day off, they'll be at the beach, they'll be shopping for early Christmas deals ... they'll plan longer vacations and roll Monday into a 4-day weekend trip. People that want to vote, will vote. People who don't, won't. A National holiday won't incentivize votes.

If they have the day off they won't vote, but if they're busy all day they will vote?

Especially considering the time of Covid, it would seem more pressing than ever before to give people a full day to get to the polls rather than cram together at the polls in the evening following their 9-5.

Edit: Regarding the Tweet, the presidents' methods of communication are consistently unclear and riddled with misinformation. This tweet being of no exception.
He begins with a sweeping indictment of mail-in ballots.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

If they have the day off they won't vote, but if they're busy all day they will vote?

Especially considering the time of Covid, it would seem more pressing than ever before to give people a full day to get to the polls rather than cram together at the polls in the evening following their 9-5.

You missed it, again. They can leave work to go vote.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

If they have the day off they won't vote, but if they're busy all day they will vote?

Especially considering the time of Covid, it would seem more pressing than ever before to give people a full day to get to the polls rather than cram together at the polls in the evening following their 9-5.

Edit: Regarding the Tweet, the presidents' methods of communication are consistently unclear and riddled with misinformation. This tweet being of no exception.
He begins with a sweeping indictment of mail-in ballots.

I work 12 hour shifts and still manage to find time to vote, even with the covid.
Excuses. Excuses.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

If they have the day off they won't vote, but if they're busy all day they will vote?

Especially considering the time of Covid, it would seem more pressing than ever before to give people a full day to get to the polls rather than cram together at the polls in the evening following their 9-5.

Edit: Regarding the Tweet, the presidents' methods of communication are consistently unclear. This tweet being of no exception.
He begins with a sweeping indictment of mail-in ballots.

Yes. I vote in person because it buys me a half day off of work. My employer has to allow me to do so by law. As does every employer.

Look around you. Are you confident that people in this country will recognize the importance of a national holiday to vote in a presidential election, or will they use the day for something they'd rather do instead? What kind of confidence intervals do you think the last five months of American behavior have revealed?

As for Trump; he and the administration have made it clear what they mean. Press Secretary votes my mail every election, and she made it a point to say anyone who wants a ballot can request one and that's perfectly reasonable. The issue comes from mailing out tens of millions of votes to all voters on the rolls, which invites fraud and issues. I agree.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If you continue on that tweet, it's clear he's talking about Californias plan to mail tens of millions of ballots to every registered voter. I agree, that would be a disaster.

As for the National Holiday, for the very reason I suggested. If you give people a day off, they will use it to do things they want to do, not to vote. I know ideally, it sounds like you're giving more people the opportunity to vote but in practice you do the opposite. Anyone employed can vote on company time without fear or penalty from their employer.

Few, if any people aren't voting because they couldn't get off work. Conversely, if you give people the day off, they'll be at the beach, they'll be shopping for early Christmas deals ... they'll plan longer vacations and roll Monday into a 4-day weekend trip. People that want to vote, will vote. People who don't, won't. A National holiday won't incentivize votes.

Yep, I'd easily make it a 4 day weekend.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Yep, I'd easily make it a 4 day weekend.

So would I. Every calendar cycle, I'd even get to make it a 5-day weekend because of Veterans Day.

[techtre2003]

Too much money working against it. It’s ok... I will continue to get it illegally without issue.

The legal stuff in IL is too expensive anyway. I will say though that the vapes are pretty dang nice and worth splurging on every now and again.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes. I vote in person because it buys me a half day off of work. My employer has to allow me to do so by law. As does every employer.

Look around you. Are you confident that people in this country will recognize the importance of a national holiday to vote in a presidential election, or will they use the day for something they'd rather do instead? What kind of confidence intervals do you think the last five months of American behavior have revealed?

As for Trump; he and the administration have made it clear what they mean. Press Secretary votes my mail every election, and she made it a point to say anyone who wants a ballot can request one and that's perfectly reasonable. The issue comes from mailing out tens of millions of votes to all voters on the rolls, which invites fraud and issues. I agree.

https://www.workplacefairness.org/vo...-time-off-work

I'm glad your employer allows you to vote. That must be a good representation of the country as a whole.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

https://www.workplacefairness.org/vo...-time-off-work

I'm glad your employer allows you to vote. That must be a good representation of the country as a whole.

There's about 15 states that don't have any laws on it, then it comes down to the company you work for.

If you work for a company that won't allow you to vote, that's just not a company I want to be working for.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

So would I. Every calendar cycle, I'd even get to make it a 5-day weekend because of Veterans Day.

Isn't that a week difference though? If it fell together, a lot of people would be having a great November. 5 day weekend and then 4 day weekend for Thanksgiving.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Yes, because I enjoy nothing but support for every comment I make in this thread from the throng of right-wingers in here, lol (quite the opposite actually)...you must know nothing about the demographics or composition of the bulk of the posters in this thread.

You come to this to self-soothe. Get the "Trump sucks" out of your system; even if Trump has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

It's been established in this thread that the U.S. is not a Democracy, and some people don't care.

?????

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Yes, because I enjoy nothing but support for every comment I make in this thread from the throng of right-wingers in here, lol (quite the opposite actually)...you must know nothing about the demographics or composition of the bulk of the posters in this thread.

They surely know the breakdown, but still deny it.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, Trump is clear when he says that we cannot mail ballots to everyone and anyone. Request a ballot, make a vote. It's simple.

As for the National holiday, I really don't care. Sure I guess; I could use another day off.

The President says a lot of things.
There isn't a single remaining reason to actually listen to him.

That Trump and his mob are going all-out on voter suppression tells you all you need to know.
If Trump felt more people voting would benefit him, he'd be trying to make mail-in voting mandatory.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

https://www.workplacefairness.org/vo...-time-off-work

I'm glad your employer allows you to vote. That must be a good representation of the country as a whole.

It is.

Is your contention that voters in a state like Texas, that offers the full day off, with pay to vote; vote more often than voters in states without this kind of law on the books? (Say Virginia, for example).

Is that the point you are trying to make? Be careful now, don't pigeonhole yourself accidentally!

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by jdandns

They surely know the breakdown, but still deny it.



The President says a lot of things.
There isn't a single remaining reason to actually listen to him.

That Trump and his mob are going all-out on voter suppression tells you all you need to know.
If Trump felt more people voting would benefit him, he'd be trying to make mail-in voting mandatory.

Obviously.

It isn't voter suppression, just go vote. It isn't hard. That's the thing, if someone is too lazy to go vote... I think I know who they will be voting for. They just need to finish breaking that one, last piece of glass on that business, first.