Julio Rodriguez

[pewe]

This one is the auction to watch! $$$$

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33472713640...Bk9SR8K-z9jBYQ

[pewe]

I notice Topps decided to use yet another random image for Chrome Gilded Edition... jeesh... how did this crazy decision occur???

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by pewe

I notice Topps decided to use yet another random image for Chrome Gilded Edition... jeesh... how did this crazy decision occur???

And it is yet another pic from his debut game, April 8. That's at least the 6th pic they've used from that game on a card this year.

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by pewe

I notice Topps decided to use yet another random image for Chrome Gilded Edition... jeesh... how did this crazy decision occur???

It honestly looks awful!

[ThoseBackPages]

its terrible

[SVGbreaks]

Looking to add a couple Jrods but not huge into baseball.

Is there a flagship card in the 1000-2000 range that you would recommend? Would it be the SP Refractor, Logofractor, Sapphire color or something similar?

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by SVGbreaks

Looking to add a couple Jrods but not huge into baseball.

Is there a flagship card in the 1000-2000 range that you would recommend? Would it be the SP Refractor, Logofractor, Sapphire color or something similar?

Sapphire RD

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by pewe

This one is the auction to watch! $$$$

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33472713640...Bk9SR8K-z9jBYQ

You know, that's not too bad of a card. I moved this one the other day sadly at my BIN price. Sad, like MJs face and the sun behind him, because I really like the card.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by SVGbreaks

Looking to add a couple Jrods but not huge into baseball.

Is there a flagship card in the 1000-2000 range that you would recommend? Would it be the SP Refractor, Logofractor, Sapphire color or something similar?

Topps Chrome #222 PSA 10 is falling in that range. First Topps Chrome card. Limited production compared with the rest of the base set, but not numbered.

The Logofractor card is also somewhat limited production, but being that its the first year for that parallel set, and you said you're not huge into baseball, I'd not recommend that one unless you've followed the Logofractor release and feel like its the better card for some reason.

Topps Chrome Sapphire, well centered, should remain desirable. Awful product that won't be opened as much as Topps Chrome Update Sapphire, which is looking like a better product to rip. Just watch for bad centering....on everything. TC Sapphire will cost more than the TCU Sapphire. Both under $1k raw, too.

I think the Topps Chrome Update refractor (#/299) is a great card, first Topps Chrome refractor (#222 is on refractor card stock, but just the "base" card from Topps Chrome), but condition and print/production quality has not been great. Another bad product to rip, so these may trickle out slowly. The first PSA 10 could auction for a LOT, given the expected low gem rate. I bought one for $400 and it will get an 8 or maybe a 9 (at PSA now).

Raw Heritage black refractor is another to consider, but Heritage is less popular now. ~8-900 raw

Topps Update (paper, not Chrome) Black parallel is another great card thats probably in the ~$2k range or just under.

Any "Rookue Debut" card will cost a lot less and be less desirable, so I would just skip those alltogether.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Topps Update (paper, not Chrome) Black parallel is another great card thats probably in the ~$2k range or just under.

This is the one that came to mind for me... last one sold for ~$1200 a month back. I'm still regretting deciding to save my $$ for something else that I can't remember what it was.

Raw Topps Chrome Update Gold #/50 and Red #/25 have both sold in the mid $1000s recently... might grab one of those.

Raw Topps Chrome Update Sapphire Gold probably should be <$2k given the PSA10 is just over $3K.

[TruBlueBrewCrew]

Originally Posted by pewe

This is the one that came to mind for me... last one sold for ~$1200 a month back. I'm still regretting deciding to save my $$ for something else that I can't remember what it was.

Raw Topps Chrome Update Gold #/50 and Red #/25 have both sold in the mid $1000s recently... might grab one of those.

Raw Topps Chrome Update Sapphire Gold probably should be <$2k given the PSA10 is just over $3K.

When there are so few sales and listings, I don't think you can use it to accurately judge what a card SHOULD sell at.

The underbidder on the $3k Update Gold had 0 feedback, yes, but there were multiple other bids in excess of $2k, so I'm not sure why the Update Sapphire Gold SHOULD be less than $2k.

In a market where a lot of people are going to be long-term holders, restricting supply, the seller has more power than the buyer.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by TruBlueBrewCrew

When there are so few sales and listings, I don't think you can use it to accurately judge what a card SHOULD sell at.

The underbidder on the $3k Update Gold had 0 feedback, yes, but there were multiple other bids in excess of $2k, so I'm not sure why the Update Sapphire Gold SHOULD be less than $2k.

In a market where a lot of people are going to be long-term holders, restricting supply, the seller has more power than the buyer.

Always a tough call... but with a PSA10 at $3400... I would assume a raw should be ~50% of that... https://www.ebay.com/itm/28511169703...Bk9SR97UpbTCYQ

We've also seen a BGS 9.5 min gem orange #/25 at $2850... which would seem to indicate a similar gold #/50 <$2K: https://www.ebay.com/itm/12572387894...Bk9SR4qQxrTCYQ

[MintyWhite]

Originally Posted by SVGbreaks

Looking to add a couple Jrods but not huge into baseball.

Is there a flagship card in the 1000-2000 range that you would recommend? Would it be the SP Refractor, Logofractor, Sapphire color or something similar?

Logos look terrible and are still riding the endless pump on here, so I would avoid at all costs.

Cosmics are fun, if you want something snazzy.
Sapphires, if you want something classy.
Update parallels (Chrome/foil/paper), if you want something traditional.
Gilded, if you want something tacky.
Sonic, if you want something trendy.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by SVGbreaks

Looking to add a couple Jrods but not huge into baseball.

Is there a flagship card in the 1000-2000 range that you would recommend? Would it be the SP Refractor, Logofractor, Sapphire color or something similar?

Can’t go wrong with Sapphire.

[TruBlueBrewCrew]

Originally Posted by pewe

Always a tough call... but with a PSA10 at $3400... I would assume a raw should be ~50% of that... https://www.ebay.com/itm/28511169703...Bk9SR97UpbTCYQ

We've also seen a BGS 9.5 min gem orange #/25 at $2850... which would seem to indicate a similar gold #/50 <$2K: https://www.ebay.com/itm/12572387894...Bk9SR4qQxrTCYQ

My point still stands that there isn't enough data points.

I can do the same and say now that we've had a raw Gold Update @ $3k, a PSA 10 would likely go for $6,000 based on your 2x multiple.

And since it was a more recent sale, this more accurately reflects the current market and demand.

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Topps Chrome #222 PSA 10 is falling in that range. First Topps Chrome card. Limited production compared with the rest of the base set, but not numbered.

The Logofractor card is also somewhat limited production, but being that its the first year for that parallel set, and you said you're not huge into baseball, I'd not recommend that one unless you've followed the Logofractor release and feel like its the better card for some reason.

Topps Chrome Sapphire, well centered, should remain desirable. Awful product that won't be opened as much as Topps Chrome Update Sapphire, which is looking like a better product to rip. Just watch for bad centering....on everything. TC Sapphire will cost more than the TCU Sapphire. Both under $1k raw, too.

I think the Topps Chrome Update refractor (#/299) is a great card, first Topps Chrome refractor (#222 is on refractor card stock, but just the "base" card from Topps Chrome), but condition and print/production quality has not been great. Another bad product to rip, so these may trickle out slowly. The first PSA 10 could auction for a LOT, given the expected low gem rate. I bought one for $400 and it will get an 8 or maybe a 9 (at PSA now).

Raw Heritage black refractor is another to consider, but Heritage is less popular now. ~8-900 raw

Topps Update (paper, not Chrome) Black parallel is another great card thats probably in the ~$2k range or just under.

Any "Rookue Debut" card will cost a lot less and be less desirable, so I would just skip those alltogether.

Originally Posted by MintyWhite

Logos look terrible and are still riding the endless pump on here, so I would avoid at all costs.

Cosmics are fun, if you want something snazzy.
Sapphires, if you want something classy.
Update parallels (Chrome/foil/paper), if you want something traditional.
Gilded, if you want something tacky.
Sonic, if you want something trendy.

Lots of good info here I think
I personally think pedigree matters quite a bit and also yoy existence and format/#ing consistency.
Although Heritage overall has lost steam the black chrome refs are sharp as hell and still pretty coveted I think. Also fairly priced to get into (when they surface).
Update (paper) black will always be a popular choice and with increased PRs and checklist size in recent years they are extremely tough to pull also
TCU has been around long enough that any traditional colors(ref, blue, gold, red) are again very tough to pull and should stay strong. Maybe x, green n orange too.
Sapphires look amazing but w/ Julio youre now faced with the debate of scarcity(TCS) vs percieved better OG flagship image(TCUS) in much wider circulation. It becomes a lil tricky for him on these IMO

I've got very little feel for the long term desirability of what I consider new or gimmicky derivative releases with convoluted SPing and distribution methods, especially at the current prices:
TC ESP
Logofractor
Cosmic
Sonic
guilded
etc

[ThoseBackPages]

SVG, what is "your sport of choice" when it comes to collecting?

that might help you decide on which First JRod to go with.

[Erick]

If I had $2k to spend on a JRod I’d go with the TC silver pack SP

[SupermanBrandon]

If I had $2k to just spend on Julio...Im not touching any new product what was invented in 2022-23. Stick to the basics. Stick to the "classics".

[excel_b]

I would go buy the 2019 Bowman Chrome Auto BGS or PSA (if you cough a little more cash)...

[SVGbreaks]

Thanks for all the replies - super helpful!

My main sport is basketball which is why im naturally graviting towards the sapphire (cracked ice look) and SP refractor. But at the same time, when spending that much on modern cards in basketball I always look for numbered cards which is why its tough to spend a few grand on a non numbered card.

I bid on the Sapphire Gold that ended yesterday but it went well above my bid which was around 1500. In the relm of baseball, are values based on scarcity versus eye appeal of color? For example in basketball a blue prizm /199 is typically worth more than a purple /99 and gold /10 is worth significantly more than a emerald /5..

[LVDan]

For what its worth if I had 2k to spend on Julios Id go
Heritage black chrome (assume 1k? if you can find one)
+ 5 raw centered TCUS I guess($200ea)
I couldnt justify the TCS at 700? raw centered w/ a less desirable image even if there are FAR fewer in circulation
us44 black paper are too rare online currently to get a centered copy for less than $1200-1500? Although the centered psa 8 that went for a grand on 12/11 seems like a semi steal to me

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by SVGbreaks

Thanks for all the replies - super helpful!

My main sport is basketball which is why im naturally graviting towards the sapphire (cracked ice look) and SP refractor. But at the same time, when spending that much on modern cards in basketball I always look for numbered cards which is why its tough to spend a few grand on a non numbered card.

I bid on the Sapphire Gold that ended yesterday but it went well above my bid which was around 1500. In the relm of baseball, are values based on scarcity versus eye appeal of color? For example in basketball a blue prizm /199 is typically worth more than a purple /99 and gold /10 is worth significantly more than a emerald /5..

yeah in baseball the easy analogy is TC or BC blue/150 usually meets or beats a green/99. Longer history and (unless it's an Oakland A's card for the color match) just a better looking card overall

[SVGbreaks]

Originally Posted by LVDan

For what its worth if I had 2k to spend on Julios Id go
Heritage black chrome (assume 1k? if you can find one)
+ 5 raw centered TCUS I guess($200ea)
I couldnt justify the TCS at 700? raw centered w/ a less desirable image even if there are FAR fewer in circulation
us44 black paper are too rare online currently to get a centered copy for less than $1200-1500? Although the centered psa 8 that went for a grand on 12/11 seems like a semi steal to me

What about the TCU Refractor /299. I just came across that one. Am I overly excited about a card being numbered? Is that not as important in baseball?

Originally Posted by LVDan

yeah in baseball the easy analogy is TC or BC blue/150 usually meets or beats a green/99. Longer history and (unless it's an Oakland A's card for the color match) just a better looking card overall

I know golds are /50 in topps and in basketball theyre normally /10. The gold in basketball have a huge premium over all other colors except the 1/1 but it appears in baseball the gold is less than the orange and red? Do you think that's solely due to the print run being /50?

[CxL]

Originally Posted by SVGbreaks

What about the TCU Refractor /299. I just came across that one. Am I overly excited about a card being numbered? Is that not as important in baseball?



I know golds are /50 in topps and in basketball theyre normally /10. The gold in basketball have a huge premium over all other colors except the 1/1 but it appears in baseball the gold is less than the orange and red? Do you think that's solely due to the print run being /50?

The gold is /10 in prizm. It was always /50 for chrome in basketball.