Corbin Carroll - Page 12

JRX · 03-29-2023, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dream34

Yup, this will be interesting to follow to see if he can make the adjustments with time. Lots of hard work required but this is where his makeup may come in quite a bit. Still, .600 (!!!) OBP against RHP in the preseason. Lots more righties than lefties overall, so even if he goes a complete 0-for-forever against LHP he may still be effective enough to be a regular because of the defense.

It really is interesting. He went .260/.330/.830 with only 2 SB in 32 games (10 SB pace) and still put himself on a full season 5.6 WAR pace in his MLB stint last year. Health and just a small uptick in any of those and he could flirt with 6-7 WAR pretty easily.

The only player to have a .600 obp was Bonds in 04. Post WWII which when you think about it is as far back as the Civil War was back then, there have only been 7 over .500 obp seasons. The upper limit feels more like around .450 - .475.

jetscollector10 · 03-29-2023, 08:41 AM

I want his 1.0+ OPS to carry over to the majors this year

dream34 · 03-29-2023, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rwperu34

The field is strong in the NL this year. Between Walker, Carroll, Tovar, and Vargas you've got four high end prospect positional players with jobs. Plus all the pitchers and older rookies and guys I'm forgetting about.

Truthfully, the best bet looks like Alec Burleson at 100:1. Garret Mitchell at 40:1 looks like a solid bet too. Of the "contenders" I'm probably on Tovar at 12:1.

Agreed here, never really enough value on his ROY odds. His Stolen Base odds though have moved from 45:1 to now around 15:1. I still think it's a good value at 15:1, fastest player in the league and he showed a few glimpses in the preseason that he may have an interesting strategy when it comes to the new pitch clock rules.

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Originally Posted by JRX

The only player to have a .600 obp was Bonds in 04. Post WWII which when you think about it is as far back as the Civil War was back then, there have only been 7 over .500 obp seasons. The upper limit feels more like around .450 - .475.

This would be absolutely amazing numbers for anyone. Still, I think a .370-380 OBP in year 1 would be a great outcome, would have put him in the top 10-15 in MLB last season. Again, he only put up a .330 OBP last season but even with that still posted a 5.6 WAR pace. A small tick up there can only help.

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Originally Posted by jetscollector10

I want his 1.0+ OPS to carry over to the majors this year

Wouldn't that be amazing? If he does, I think the Trout comps will start to come despite the size. Really the only hold up with him is the size, all the numbers are there.

JRX · 03-29-2023, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dream34

Agreed here, never really enough value on his ROY odds. His Stolen Base odds though have moved from 45:1 to now around 15:1. I still think it's a good value at 15:1, fastest player in the league and he showed a few glimpses in the preseason that he may have an interesting strategy when it comes to the new pitch clock rules.

This would be absolutely amazing numbers for anyone. Still, I think a .370-380 OBP in year 1 would be a great outcome, would have put him in the top 10-15 in MLB last season. Again, he only put up a .330 OBP last season but even with that still posted a 5.6 WAR pace. A small tick up there can only help.

Wouldn't that be amazing? If he does, I think the Trout comps will start to come despite the size. Really the only hold up with him is the size, all the numbers are there.

The point I was trying to make is that .600 obp is wholly unreasonable as outside of Bonds, the top hitters of the last 40 years top out around .450-.475.

rfgilles · 03-29-2023, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i think they save Walker for 2024

Has any player of note who has made an Opening Day Roster been held until the next year?

MiamiMarlinsFan · 03-29-2023, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

Has any player of note who has made an Opening Day Roster been held until the next year?

Not in recent history. At least not anyone of note that I’m aware of. Walker will be in ‘23 Update at worst. Zero percent chance he’s held for 2024.

rwperu34 · 03-30-2023, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dream34

Agreed here, never really enough value on his ROY odds. His Stolen Base odds though have moved from 45:1 to now around 15:1. I still think it's a good value at 15:1, fastest player in the league and he showed a few glimpses in the preseason that he may have an interesting strategy when it comes to the new pitch clock rules.

This seems crazy to me! Who is the favorite, Acuna?

I can't believe he was ever 45:1. That would be a good bet even if he had two broken ankles.

dream34 · 03-30-2023, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rwperu34

This seems crazy to me! Who is the favorite, Acuna?

I can't believe he was ever 45:1. That would be a good bet even if he had two broken ankles.

Yup, it definitely was. At least +4500, might have been higher. I think it was something like Acuna, Mondesi & Mullins as the favorites at the time.

It's gone now but I still think current odds (15:1 ish) and 27.5 for his SB over/under are great plays.

LittleJimmies · 03-30-2023, 11:09 PM

Uhhhhhh, why the hell are Dbacks batting Carroll and Moreno 7-8 in the order???

rippev · 03-30-2023, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Uhhhhhh, why the hell are Dbacks batting Carroll and Moreno 7-8 in the order???

So so so dumb.

LVDan · 03-30-2023, 11:45 PM

CaUSe LeFtY StArTeR
I miss the old days when they let you improve vs LHP cause you were superior and would
Stupid analytics

BigRedMachine80 · 03-31-2023, 10:22 AM

Only 3 AB's due to his spot in the lineup. Torey can be an infuriating manager at times. Between that and bullpen management.

LittleJimmies · 03-31-2023, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rippev

So so so dumb.

When you have elite young talent like those two on an otherwise unremarkable team, just put them in the spots you hope they'll man for the next decade and let it ride.

dream34 · 03-31-2023, 02:27 PM

Agreed all around. While I understand the decision, what better way to start the season than saying "we don't care if he doesn't hit lefties great yet, we are beating you guys (Dodgers) and the odds this season!" and just let them fly and learn, maybe even exceed expectations.

STLtoMN · 04-02-2023, 05:33 PM

3 SB today!

ThoseBackPages · 04-02-2023, 05:34 PM

picked up two copies of his Rookie Card.

i did not expect Topps to ever release 21BH

but here we are!

LVDan · 04-02-2023, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dream34

Agreed all around. While I understand the decision, what better way to start the season than saying "we don't care if he doesn't hit lefties great yet, we are beating you guys (Dodgers) and the odds this season!" and just let them fly and learn, maybe even exceed expectations.

Agree wholeheartedly. Challenge him to improve on the fly at age 22. Tell him he’s the lead off hitter every day. He strikes me as a kid who will adjust to at least be decent vs LHP. The guy has 660 ABs as a professional.

vintg · 04-02-2023, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by STLtoMN

3 SB today!

that would put him on pace for 243 if my math is correct. LOL

love this kid

rwperu34 · 04-03-2023, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

Agree wholeheartedly. Challenge him to improve on the fly at age 22. Tell him he’s the lead off hitter every day. He strikes me as a kid who will adjust to at least be decent vs LHP. The guy has 660 ABs as a professional.

Even more weird is he's batting 5th vs RHP.

BigRedMachine80 · 04-07-2023, 10:49 PM

HR # 2 tonight

ThoseBackPages · 04-07-2023, 10:50 PM

you love to see it!

dream34 · 04-08-2023, 02:59 PM

Fastest player in baseball beats out an infield grounder and then hits a 432-foot bomb next AB!

He looked lost in his first matchup with Kershaw last weekend. Definitely not the case last night, even his one out was very solid contact.

Early going but 5-for-13 (.385) against LHP so far is very nice.

SearchPatrol · 04-11-2023, 11:14 PM

44 plate appearances - ZERO walk

You don't need to swing at everything. Take a walk and steal some bases.

rwperu34 · 04-12-2023, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SearchPatrol

44 plate appearances - ZERO walk

You don't need to swing at everything. Take a walk and steal some bases.

That goes against his minor league track record. I wonder if he's being more aggressive or if the pitchers are just attacking more?

Amazingly he's hit into a DP already this year, giving him 2 for his career. He only hit into 3 DP in 657 PA in the minors.

awz50 · 04-12-2023, 05:56 AM

Roy here we come

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LittleJimmies Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,530	Uhhhhhh, why the hell are Dbacks batting Carroll and Moreno 7-8 in the order???

03-31-2023, 10:22 AM	#287
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03-31-2023, 02:27 PM	#289
dream34 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 2,983	Agreed all around. While I understand the decision, what better way to start the season than saying "we don't care if he doesn't hit lefties great yet, we are beating you guys (Dodgers) and the odds this season!" and just let them fly and learn, maybe even exceed expectations.

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04-07-2023, 10:49 PM	#295
BigRedMachine80 Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Arizona Posts: 512	HR # 2 tonight

04-08-2023, 02:59 PM	#297
dream34 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 2,983	Fastest player in baseball beats out an infield grounder and then hits a 432-foot bomb next AB! He looked lost in his first matchup with Kershaw last weekend. Definitely not the case last night, even his one out was very solid contact. Early going but 5-for-13 (.385) against LHP so far is very nice.

04-11-2023, 11:14 PM	#298
SearchPatrol Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 1,051 AndrewB	44 plate appearances - ZERO walk You don't need to swing at everything. Take a walk and steal some bases.