MMA Discussion Thread- Fight Night/UFC/PPV

[zonacats8]

and one fight is already off the card after Souza tested positive, and he wasn't tested until after the weigh in, hopefully he didn't spread it to other people before that test.

This is why it's too soon for this, don't get me wrong, I'm excited for them to happen and I'll watch because they will go on, but I don't agree with them getting these going so quickly.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

Its not a stacked card. You have to understand the other options they had and disnt use.


Its an ok card. Not worth breaking the paywall and spending real money on. At all.


I'll be interested to see how the ppv does. No other options. Its this or cartoon reruns.

Your reasonings behind why its "not a stacked card" show that you are a mainstream MMA fan. You only follow the big names and nobody else (guys like McGregor, Khabib, etc.). Hell, the fact that you think Ngannou and Rozenstruik is a womens fight goes to prove that you arent a diehard UFC/MMA fan. Ngannou is arguably the best heavyweight currently in the UFC. Us diehard fans understand how good of a card this actually is.

[cowboyzqna]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Your reasonings behind why its "not a stacked card" show that you are a mainstream MMA fan. You only follow the big names and nobody else (guys like McGregor, Khabib, etc.). Hell, the fact that you think Ngannou and Rozenstruik is a womens fight goes to prove that you arent a diehard UFC/MMA fan. Ngannou is arguably the best heavyweight currently in the UFC. Us diehard fans understand how good of a card this actually is.

I started watching the ufc on VHS tapes a long long time ago. Was along for the ride of the first ultimate fighter. (Side note... Did you know stephan named his son griffan... Thought that was really cool)


I went through the list quick and thought that was the rose fight.


Nguono is good.

I dont doubt your diehardyness. Questioning my fandom doesnt make the card any better.

[CC_123]

Thug Nasty was absolutely dominant in his fight tonight. Price vs Luque was a fantastic brawl too!

[persona]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Thug Nasty was absolutely dominant in his fight tonight. Price vs Luque was a fantastic brawl too!

Mitchell is should be ranked in top 10 after this fight.
My face hurts just by watching Gaethje beat up Ferguson.
I don’t know how Tony took all those shots and still standing, lot of fighters would’ve hit the canvas by round three.

[cowboyzqna]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Your reasonings behind why its "not a stacked card" show that you are a mainstream MMA fan. You only follow the big names and nobody else (guys like McGregor, Khabib, etc.). Hell, the fact that you think Ngannou and Rozenstruik is a womens fight goes to prove that you arent a diehard UFC/MMA fan. Ngannou is arguably the best heavyweight currently in the UFC. Us diehard fans understand how good of a card this actually is.

Ive been wrong before... Just got done watching the recaps and man you were right. What a great night of fights!!


Can't believe how well Justin performed... Also amazing that tony was able to withstand all of those power shots.


Happy to see triple C go lol.

[CC_123]

Gaethje was absolutely crazy last night. Power shot after power shot. Ferguson is one tough SOB though, he was eating those punches and kept going without hesitation. I can't believe he didn't get knocked down from some of those shots he took.

[nick9819]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

and one fight is already off the card after Souza tested positive, and he wasn't tested until after the weigh in, hopefully he didn't spread it to other people before that test.

This is why it's too soon for this, don't get me wrong, I'm excited for them to happen and I'll watch because they will go on, but I don't agree with them getting these going so quickly.

i am pretty sure he was tested before the weigh ins the official results might have been after, they were all tested once they got there, and he told them they suspected someone in his family had. that is why he was masked and gloved for the weigh ins, and most of the others were not.

[persona]

Who’s ready for yet another boring? Performance by woodley to win by decision.

[majestik101]

Which knockout punch from UFC 250 was better?

Sugar Sean O'Malley's?



or

Cody Garbrandt's?

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Which knockout punch from UFC 250 was better?

Sugar Sean O'Malley's?



or

Cody Garbrandt's?

No Love

[CC_123]

Both O'Malley's and Garbrandt's KO's were crazy awesome. Not too often you see two absolutely clean KO's, with no ground and pound needed, on the same card. But with that said, Garbrandt's was a better KO. Just the fact that he basically dropped his hand to the mat for the massive haymaker basically simultaneously with the horn for the KO was downright nasty. And seeing Assuncao fall off the stool a minute or so later just shows how vicious and powerful Garbrandt's KO was.

[persona]

Real life mortal kombat is finally happening at fight island!
Hoping to see Usman vs Jorge but will have to settle for Burns.
Burns have legit pop behind his punches but I still favor usman to win by pts.

[Torralbae1]

Poirier vs Hooker is a great Fight Night Main Event. Could be a 2 or 3 match on a PPV card. Winner could be in line for the winner of Khabib/Gaethje.

[Ferg1945]

Max Rohskopf gets a fight on 5 days notice.... gets through the 2nd round and asks his corner to call it. Corner refuses.... Max quits.

Not a good look for UFC. It's 5 days.... if the fighter says he doesn't have it... you gotta listen to the fighter.

[Torralbae1]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Max Rohskopf gets a fight on 5 days notice.... gets through the 2nd round and asks his corner to call it. Corner refuses.... Max quits.

Not a good look for UFC. It's 5 days.... if the fighter says he doesn't have it... you gotta listen to the fighter.

That's rough. I could see after the first one wanting to motivate your fighter. But after the next couple you know your guy's not mentally there. There's something to admire about the "Warrior Mentality" willing to die on your shield, but you have to do what's best for your fighter, especially in a situation like this.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by Torralbae1

That's rough. I could see after the first one wanting to motivate your fighter. But after the next couple you know your guy's not mentally there. There's something to admire about the "Warrior Mentality" willing to die on your shield, but you have to do what's best for your fighter, especially in a situation like this.

Agree.

If they had 3-4 months to prepare I could see the corner telling him to continue working...but with Covid (limited training I bet the last couple months) and only getting 5 days notice.... you gotta listen to the fighter.

Just looked.... his last fight was Feb 28th. So he likely didn't train much during covid stay at home

[BestRCs]

Originally Posted by Torralbae1

Poirier vs Hooker is a great Fight Night Main Event. Could be a 2 or 3 match on a PPV card. Winner could be in line for the winner of Khabib/Gaethje.

i could see that if Hooker wins.

I think Dustin needs to string a few more together if Khabib wins.

If Justin wins then I think Dustin would be in prime position. I wouldn't mind seeing Justin vs Dustin 2. I feel like Justin has tightened up his striking since the last time they met.

On another note. Bantamweight is so exciting. I like Henry but glad to see him go with his division hold up tactics. Once TJ comes backs that's just going to be another reasons to watch BW.

Who's next for O'Malley?

[Torralbae1]

Dustin looked very good against a dangerous fighter. With Khabib Justin not fighting til Sep I wouldn't mind seeing him against Tony and the winners face off early next year.

O'Malley's looked dominant since coming back but it would be a huge leap in talent against the top of the division. Maybe Urijah Faber would be a good "Gate Keeper" fight to a Top 10 matchup.

I remember Dana White saying during one of the Challenger Series he's desperate for any Heavyweights that could compete. Other than the Miocic, Cromier or Ngannou that division pretty light on headlining matchups. Interested to see how Gustafsson looks next month and if Jon Jones will move up. I would of expected a little more out of Greg Hardy just based on his pure athletic ability.

Originally Posted by BestRCs

i could see that if Hooker wins.

I think Dustin needs to string a few more together if Khabib wins.

If Justin wins then I think Dustin would be in prime position. I wouldn't mind seeing Justin vs Dustin 2. I feel like Justin has tightened up his striking since the last time they met.

On another note. Bantamweight is so exciting. I like Henry but glad to see him go with his division hold up tactics. Once TJ comes backs that's just going to be another reasons to watch BW.

Who's next for O'Malley?

[CC_123]

Poirier looked phenomenal. That was a fantastic, entertaining fight all the way around

[BestRCs]

Originally Posted by Torralbae1

Dustin looked very good against a dangerous fighter. With Khabib Justin not fighting til Sep I wouldn't mind seeing him against Tony and the winners face off early next year.

O'Malley's looked dominant since coming back but it would be a huge leap in talent against the top of the division. Maybe Urijah Faber would be a good "Gate Keeper" fight to a Top 10 matchup.

I remember Dana White saying during one of the Challenger Series he's desperate for any Heavyweights that could compete. Other than the Miocic, Cromier or Ngannou that division pretty light on headlining matchups. Interested to see how Gustafsson looks next month and if Jon Jones will move up. I would of expected a little more out of Greg Hardy just based on his pure athletic ability.

I like your LW course. I think that's it. Outside the top 5 they don't really stike me as elite. It gives Tony a chance to get back in the mix where I think he deserves to be. Hopefully both Tony and Dustin are given some time to rest up after the wars they've each went through.

O Malley's looked good. He's really grown into his frame quite nicely. I'm excited to see more of him but Dana and co did a good job pumping the breaks on a Cody G level fight. I'd like to see him fight a couple more dudes before he gets a top 5 BW. maybe a top 15 next then a 5-10 level guy then if he's ready a top 5.

I heard somehwere that Stipe might retire too. With DC soon to be retire.
Hopefully Stipe sticks around but if not, its Francis and Blaydes (whom Francis has already beat twice) and that's probably it for legit HWs. Really slim pickings. HW is desperate for sure. Now that you mention it I've noticed the influx of young big guys. Unfortunately they've all been meh. I agree on the Hardy take too. I thought he would have great movement for being in such an athletic sport but he hasn't quite shown that aspect yet iMO.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

I like your LW course. I think that's it. Outside the top 5 they don't really stike me as elite. It gives Tony a chance to get back in the mix where I think he deserves to be. Hopefully both Tony and Dustin are given some time to rest up after the wars they've each went through.

O Malley's looked good. He's really grown into his frame quite nicely. I'm excited to see more of him but Dana and co did a good job pumping the breaks on a Cody G level fight. I'd like to see him fight a couple more dudes before he gets a top 5 BW. maybe a top 15 next then a 5-10 level guy then if he's ready a top 5.

I heard somehwere that Stipe might retire too. With DC soon to be retire.
Hopefully Stipe sticks around but if not, its Francis and Blaydes (whom Francis has already beat twice) and that's probably it for legit HWs. Really slim pickings. HW is desperate for sure. Now that you mention it I've noticed the influx of young big guys. Unfortunately they've all been meh. I agree on the Hardy take too. I thought he would have great movement for being in such an athletic sport but he hasn't quite shown that aspect yet iMO.

Hardy has gotten better and better all the way around with every fight though. He is starting to pick up better movement and his striking has really come along. As much of a POS human being he has been in his life, MMA has seemed to be a good avenue for him.

As for heavyweights, while they are lacking, they still have guys like Derrick Lewis, Walt Harris, Jairzinho Rozenstruik who are popular (on top of Ngannou, Blaydes, Cormier, and Stipe of course). Honestly, if the UFC was able to pluck Ryan Bader back from Bellator, that would help, but they could also force him to be a LHW if that ever happened. Alexander Gustaffson could be a good HW addition and Jon Jones is going to make the jump eventually. But all the way around, for every promotion, heavyweights are lacking.

[BestRCs]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Hardy has gotten better and better all the way around with every fight though. He is starting to pick up better movement and his striking has really come along. As much of a POS human being he has been in his life, MMA has seemed to be a good avenue for him.

As for heavyweights, while they are lacking, they still have guys like Derrick Lewis, Walt Harris, Jairzinho Rozenstruik who are popular (on top of Ngannou, Blaydes, Cormier, and Stipe of course). Honestly, if the UFC was able to pluck Ryan Bader back from Bellator, that would help, but they could also force him to be a LHW if that ever happened. Alexander Gustaffson could be a good HW addition and Jon Jones is going to make the jump eventually. But all the way around, for every promotion, heavyweights are lacking.

Those HWs are not good. They are heavy brawlers. If those fighters become the elite of the division you have problems. Also I mentioned the guys you say "on top of". And I'm saying if half of them are gone you're in trouble.

If your bar is Rozenstike and Walt Harris that's great but I'm talking guys like Cain, JDS, Couture, Fedor. DC, Stipe Etc. On a little lesser level but Mir, Brock, CroCop who can carry a division while displaying high level MMA and have people tune in.

[Torralbae1]

Hardy has improved slightly with each fight. Just was expecting a little more explosiveness or just raw power. Like with Brock, even in his 1st few fights you could see his athleticism even when his MMA specific skills were still developing. If Hardy wasn’t a name I don’t think he would stand out in that division and probably wouldn’t be a main card fight at a lot of these events.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by Torralbae1

Hardy has improved slightly with each fight. Just was expecting a little more explosiveness or just raw power. Like with Brock, even in his 1st few fights you could see his athleticism even when his MMA specific skills were still developing. If Hardy wasn’t a name I don’t think he would stand out in that division and probably wouldn’t be a main card fight at a lot of these events.

Lesnar came from an outstanding wrestling pedigree though which obviously translates very well to MMA so it’s no surprise he was leaps and bounds better than Hardy. As for the post above yours about Gustafsson being a good addition to the Heavyweight division...yeah I don’t see him doing anything meaningful. He was retired a few months ago after getting beaten down by a fighter he would’ve owned in his prime. He may beat Werdum though as he’s looked terrible as of late.