First Buzz: 2018 Topps Allen & Ginter baseball cards - Page 12

auctionjmm · 07-17-2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim

Admittedly it's hard for me to see those odds but it doesn't look like minis are SSP to me - am i reading things wrong?

1:50 packs. And some are 25 card sets. Five cases with perfect collation to build. That's SSP in my book but maybe others won't see it that way.

Pixman1 · 07-17-2018, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim

Admittedly it's hard for me to see those odds but it doesn't look like minis are SSP to me - am i reading things wrong?

A&G 1:5
Black 1:10
No number 1:124
Brooklyn 1:248
Wood 1:2709
Glossy 1:6165
Metal 1:2124
Printing plate 1:1328
Framed cloth 1:640
Base card mini indigenous heroes 1:10
Peppers 1:50
Baseball superstitions 1:50
Postage 1:50
Flags of lost nations 1:50
Fears 1:50
Base card mini short print 1:13

auctionjmm · 07-17-2018, 02:37 PM

Update: Brent just told me the mini insert odds are all jacked. Some are way tougher and some are way easier. He has dozens of inserts from some sets, and 1 or 2 of others. So this could be interesting...

As far as the odds, 1:50 packs may actually be normal. They are itemized on the odds this year instead of simply stating 1:5 packs total. So the odds do make sense now, but Brent's collation is not making any sense.

auctionjmm · 07-17-2018, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pixman1

A&G 1:5
Black 1:10
No number 1:124
Brooklyn 1:248
Wood 1:2709
Glossy 1:6165
Metal 1:2124
Printing plate 1:1328
Framed cloth 1:640

Inserts I was talking about. Strictly inserts.

mnvikingstwins · 07-17-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

2Bros is not profitable. They are operating at a loss. I probably shouldn't even be sharing this but they have no idea who I am so I don't care. They are being fronted/backed right now by funding which I will not disclose, but the train is heading for destruction I believe. Which will be the day we all celebrate.

I just like them for cheap on singles I need to finish sets and it all arrives in a day or two since they're close

Pixman1 · 07-17-2018, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Inserts I was talking about. Strictly inserts.

Updated it.

phil · 07-17-2018, 02:53 PM

Wood 1:2709 would be 3292 cases. Seems conservative so can't be right

phil · 07-17-2018, 02:56 PM

450 total Metal Mini 1:2124 = 3318 cases so ~3300 must be in the ballpark

mnvikingstwins · 07-17-2018, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by phil

Wood 1:2709 would be 3292 cases. Seems conservative so can't be right

450 metals at 1:2124 = 955800 packs = 3319 cases

mnvikingstwins · 07-17-2018, 02:59 PM

Cloth 1:640 150 /10s = 3333 cases

kyle1707 · 07-17-2018, 03:03 PM

good news on case run..

That first case in breaks.. is nuts...

guy hit the hot case jack pot... geez... if one of my cases is half that good i will be thrilled

kyle1707 · 07-17-2018, 03:06 PM

looks like some people got bad info on the 50% increase

phil · 07-17-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

good news on case run..

Yes, oddly so. Much smaller print run than Finest.

Must have had to stop the presses because they had to start printing TC early

auctionjmm · 07-17-2018, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

looks like some people got bad info on the 50% increase

Wasn't bad info. I was just looking at other markers. Some of these odds are +50%, some +30%, some +20% and some +10%. I should have been more thorough and checked other sets. This has to mean that some stuff was moved to retail, or the serial numbering is different.

calculusdork · 07-17-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Wasn't bad info. I was just looking at other markers. Some of these odds are +50%, some +30%, some +20% and some +10%. I should have been more thorough and checked other sets. This has to mean that some stuff was moved to retail, or the serial numbering is different.

Retail odds are definitely much longer.

auctionjmm · 07-17-2018, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by calculusdork

Retail odds are definitely much longer.

Hmm. Ok so take something like Bazooka Backs and Mini NNO. Both of those are up 50% in hobby. When I saw those odds I assumed everything behind it was the same. I admittedly wasn't that invested in calculating everything else when I first saw the odds. Now that I'm looking down the list, hobby odds are anywhere from 10-50% up so things are jacked for sure. I don't know what is what.

auctionjmm · 07-17-2018, 03:44 PM

Another odd example: Red Ink autos up 26% even though the subject list is only down 3 names. I trust the 10% or so that everyone is coming up with based on the 1/1's but there is not much consistency in everything else.

EDIT: 1/1 Glossy is up 50% too. This is driving me nuts!

Stech36 · 07-17-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Another odd example: Red Ink autos up 26% even though the subject list is only down 3 names. I trust the 10% or so that everyone is coming up with based on the 1/1's but there is not much consistency in everything else.

More of them in rip cards?

phil · 07-17-2018, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

EDIT: 1/1 Glossy is up 50% too. This is driving me nuts!

Significantly more than half the Glossy are apparently in retail this year (approx. 154 Hobby, 196 Retail), so odds increase may be a function of a huge retail print run.

calculusdork · 07-17-2018, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phil

Significantly more than half the Glossy are apparently in retail this year (approx. 154 Hobby, 196 Retail), so odds increase may be a function of a huge retail print run.

Yep, so it appears that the hobby run is about 3,300 cases, but retail is like a billion cases. Meaning, hobby is watered down in several areas, and retail is utterly worthless.

auctionjmm · 07-17-2018, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by calculusdork

Yep, so it appears that the hobby run is about 3,300 cases, but retail is like a billion cases. Meaning, hobby is watered down in several areas, and retail is utterly worthless.

Alot of good points here. I'll concede that hobby production is much smaller than I thought, but I'm not exactly jumping for joy either with so much content being moved into retail. The overall value of a hobby case still takes a significant hit when you factor in the retail component.

PDCCollectibles · 07-17-2018, 04:27 PM

Man I love Ginter....constant smile while I'm breaking

PDCCollectibles · 07-17-2018, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

good news on case run..

That first case in breaks.. is nuts...

guy hit the hot case jack pot... geez... if one of my cases is half that good i will be thrilled

That case leaves you speechless....jeez

kyle1707 · 07-17-2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

Man I love Ginter....constant smile while I'm breaking

Every year I pre order in February March I’m down on it

Then July comes around ... I pull out all my rips

And I can’t wsit to get it.

Only 2 cases this year down from 5 since 2011

Carrbeaz · 07-17-2018, 05:11 PM

Sounds like there was a good bit of fake news going around about the huge increases.

07-17-2018, 02:37 PM	#278
auctionjmm Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 10,107 auctionjmm	Update: Brent just told me the mini insert odds are all jacked. Some are way tougher and some are way easier. He has dozens of inserts from some sets, and 1 or 2 of others. So this could be interesting... As far as the odds, 1:50 packs may actually be normal. They are itemized on the odds this year instead of simply stating 1:5 packs total. So the odds do make sense now, but Brent's collation is not making any sense. Last edited by auctionjmm; 07-17-2018 at 02:53 PM.

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auctionjmm Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 10,107 auctionjmm	Another odd example: Red Ink autos up 26% even though the subject list is only down 3 names. I trust the 10% or so that everyone is coming up with based on the 1/1's but there is not much consistency in everything else. EDIT: 1/1 Glossy is up 50% too. This is driving me nuts! Last edited by auctionjmm; 07-17-2018 at 03:47 PM.

07-17-2018, 05:11 PM	#300
Carrbeaz Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 8,809	Sounds like there was a good bit of fake news going around about the huge increases. __________________ If you ask me what is the least I will take, then I am going to respond with, "What is the most you are willing to pay?"

07-17-2018, 02:53 PM	#282
phil Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,783	Wood 1:2709 would be 3292 cases. Seems conservative so can't be right

07-17-2018, 02:56 PM	#283
phil Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,783	450 total Metal Mini 1:2124 = 3318 cases so ~3300 must be in the ballpark

07-17-2018, 02:59 PM	#285
mnvikingstwins Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 42,197 ski_4 ski_4	Cloth 1:640 150 /10s = 3333 cases

07-17-2018, 03:03 PM	#286
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,587	good news on case run.. That first case in breaks.. is nuts... guy hit the hot case jack pot... geez... if one of my cases is half that good i will be thrilled

07-17-2018, 03:06 PM	#287
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,587	looks like some people got bad info on the 50% increase

07-17-2018, 04:27 PM	#297
PDCCollectibles Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 5,084	Man I love Ginter....constant smile while I'm breaking