2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Astros19]

In otherwords say your popular vote total is 1,000,000.
Candidate A gets 700,000 votes for 70% of the popular vote.
If states electoral votes were broken down by percentages of each states popular vote the 70% would still apply.

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[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Astros19

How exactly is splitting the electoral votes state by state votes any different than the popular vote?

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Because there is still an advantage given to smaller states in electoral college voting.

I.e. Rhode Island gets 4 EC votes out of 538: 0.74%
vs. popular vote: 0.323% of the U.S. population

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

How is splitting electoral votes based on state-by-state results not an improvement over the current electoral system? Even if each 1 electoral vote were broken down by assigned electoral district, it would be an improvement over the current system.

Because your eliminating states rights by doing so.
Not only do each individuals votes count, but more importantly the states electoral votes count as well which are even more important by giving each state's majority a say in their states political future
You might as well eliminate any state's right to choose their government by doing it the way you're suggesting.

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[NeedChapmans]

I hope the owner of the jeep is able to recoup the money lost from damage. Just terrible.

https://twitter.com/Bx1bXer9/status/1287753727588339714

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I hope the owner of the jeep is able to recoup the money lost from damage. Just terrible.

https://twitter.com/Bx1bXer9/status/1287753727588339714

You have to be loving the Clay Travis/Darren Rovell back and forth, today.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Because there is still an advantage given to smaller states in electoral college voting.



I.e. Rhode Island gets 4 EC votes out of 538: 0.74%

vs. popular vote: 0.323% of the U.S. population

The advantage was put in place to keep states with huge populations from determining the futures of every state in the country.
The way it's set up is to be fair to each state.
That has been explained more than once.
If you don't agree with that that's one thing, but can't you just acknowledge that?

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[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Because your eliminating states rights by doing so.
Not only do each individuals votes count, but more importantly the states electoral votes count as well which are even more important by giving each state's majority a say in their states political future
You might as well eliminate any state's right to choose their government by doing it the way you're suggesting.

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How? You'd rather have potentially 50% of your states voting constituents have no say in the general election?

Let me know if you feel the same once Texas gets that 50.1% Democratic majority in the general.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I hope the owner of the jeep is able to recoup the money lost from damage. Just terrible.

https://twitter.com/Bx1bXer9/status/1287753727588339714

Thank you to our resident BO Fox news anchor for the update.

We love our 2nd amendment & open carry states here in the U.S.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I hope the owner of the jeep is able to recoup the money lost from damage. Just terrible.

https://twitter.com/Bx1bXer9/status/1287753727588339714

If people haven't figured out that this is going to happen a lot more often as this goes on they are morons.
Personally, if it happens to me, I ain't stopping and if my vehicle gets mobbed, pedal to the metal.

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Astros19

If people haven't figured out that this is going to happen a lot more often as this goes on they are morons.
Personally, if it happens to me, I ain't stopping and if my vehicle gets mobbed, pedal to the metal.

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Same, 100%. My job is to protect myself and my family. If they are peaceful, yay. If not... probably should move.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Same, 100%. My job is to protect myself and my family. If they are peaceful, yay. If not... probably should move.

No 'probably' about it if it's me.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

How? You'd rather have potentially 50% of your states voting constituents have no say in the general election?



Let me know if you feel the same once Texas gets that 50.1% Democratic majority in the general.

Yes, I am a huge supporter of states rights.
I was raised to be a normal person who plays by the rules. If the Texas scenario were to happen I would accept it as that's the way our electoral system, the one that has worked for two and a half centuries, is designed.
Not all of us are sore losers who want to change the rules to suit my agenda.

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[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Yes, I am a huge supporter of states rights.
I was raised to be a normal person who plays by the rules. If the Texas scenario were to happen I would accept it as that's the way our electoral system, the one that has worked for two and a half centuries, is designed.
Not all of us are sore losers who want to change the rules to suit my agenda.

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With aging, neuroplasticity decreases and it's more difficult to understand progressive ideas so some older people are reduced to simplifying concepts into "winners and losers", "left and right" etc.

This is why it's important to keep one's brain active and engaged as we age.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Thank you to our resident BO Fox news anchor for the update.

We love our 2nd amendment & open carry states here in the U.S.

So how many wrongs before you make a right?

Blocking a freeway: wrong
Driving through a crowd of people purposefully: wrong
Opening fire in a crowd: wrong

What does any of that have to do with open carry or the 2nd Amendment?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

So how many wrongs before you make a right?

Blocking a freeway: wrong
Driving through a crowd of people purposefully: wrong
Opening fire in a crowd: wrong

What does any of that have to do with open carry or the 2nd Amendment?

Yeah everything about the situation looked like a mess.

As for the gun comment, i think it's a pretty simple correlation between gun ownership, gun rights (open carry) and gun violence but maybe even that is a point of contention.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Thank you to our resident BO Fox news anchor for the update.

We love our 2nd amendment & open carry states here in the U.S.

Chicago loves to open carry

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I hope the owner of the jeep is able to recoup the money lost from damage. Just terrible.

https://twitter.com/Bx1bXer9/status/1287753727588339714

Person of interest by police. Definitely looks stable.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Yeah everything about the situation looked like a mess.

As for the gun comment, i think it's a pretty simple correlation between gun ownership, gun rights (open carry) and gun violence but maybe even that is a point of contention.

I would be curious on the correlation. I would imagine that people who legally own a gun and legally open carry... aren't shooting anything except a target at the gun range.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Chicago loves to open carry

No argument from me.

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Person of interest by police. Definitely looks stable.

Looks about right given time, place and circumstance but I shouldn't jump to conclusions.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

How? You'd rather have potentially 50% of your states voting constituents have no say in the general election?

Let me know if you feel the same once Texas gets that 50.1% Democratic majority in the general.

You still haven’t responded. Would you be okay if we tweeked the popular vote so certain states votes have more weight than others or are you going to just go the popular vote here. If so I feel like I wasted a lot of time trying to think of a way to combine what you wanted to see while still preserving states individuality. Like if you can’t see what’s wrong with a straight one for one I can’t help you.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

With aging, neuroplasticity decreases and it's more difficult to understand progressive ideas so some older people are reduced to simplifying concepts into "winners and losers", "left and right" etc.

This is why it's important to keep one's brain active and engaged as we age.

Nice passive aggressive dig there.
Some would just say with age comes wisdom. (You'll agree with this some day)
Not to mention liberal's idea of progressive are often times not the same idea of progress to a lot of us. They call it change and believe every change is change for the better. I don't believe that. As I mentioned yesterday, there have been a lot of what some would call progressive change over the years that I and many others would call detrimental to our society.
But back to the discussion of the EC which you've never acknowledged it's purpose, only that you disagree with it because it didn't work in your favor.
So it's just a coincidence this conversation only comes up when a Democrat loses the presidential election?
Are you going to at least be honest enough to admit that if Trump hadn't won we wouldn't even be having this discussion?

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[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by mike1498

You still haven’t responded. Would you be okay if we tweeked the popular vote so certain states votes have more weight than others or are you going to just go the popular vote here. If so I feel like I wasted a lot of time trying to think of a way to combine what you wanted to see while still preserving states individuality. Like if you can’t see what’s wrong with a straight one for one I can’t help you.

I thought we already came to somewhat of an agreement about vote splitting in the EC. I didn't understand your concept with regards to the popular vote but interested to hear it. There's no disagreement here on my end.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I thought we already came to somewhat of an agreement about vote splitting in the EC. I didn't understand your concept with regards to the popular vote but interested to hear it. There's no disagreement here on my end.

No I conceded that. It's not enough to just split the vote. Splitting the vote is no different than just using the popular vote lmao.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Responses in bold

Massachusetts, in general terms, has a higher cost of living. $12.75/hour is Massachusetts minimum wage. Now, in MA, that $16/hour pay is $2,560 a month. $30,720/year is not a lot to survive on in MA. Factor in the ever rising costs of healthcare, housing, food, etc. Is it good for a kid? Absolutely. Is it good for someone with two kids? Nope.

In regards to ACA, Biden wants to make it better. The current plan isn't perfect but people should be able to get adequate health care in the United States. I paid a lot more for my health insurance and I got a *little less*. To me, that's okay because in my sh!tty opinion, I believe appropriate health care is a human right, especially because it is the year 2020.

On the education front, not all education is equal across the country. Rural and urban areas are especially hard hit. I think that education is overly immense. Again, my sh!tty opinion, there is too much 'busyness' in education; go back to basics (English, Math, Social Studies, Science, Physical Education, Critical Thinking, Social Skills) should be the foundation. Get everyone (who is capable) proficient in those subject areas first. World Languages, Art, Music, etc. should be secondary. Combine all those private tests into one end of the year assessment. Expand early education starting at age 3. First two years of higher education (college or trades) should be free. I also wouldn't mind everyone having to go to the reserves like in Israel.

You're right on China and India. They suck but to become the world leader that we once were, we need to start. Not pointing to you but to anyone who says that it is fine that we aren't the world's police means that we do not have influence and power in other countries. On domestic climate control, there isn't a reason why we shouldn't get away from "beautiful, clean coal." It is dirty and there are other ways to harvest energy (No - there is no such thing as windmill cancer). Retrain those who work with coal to be apart of this new energy drive.

[Astros19]

I can say with all honesty that had the last election ended just the opposite, Trump winning the popular vote and Hillary winning the EC, I would not have been happy. I can also honestly say there is not a snowballs chance in hell I would be calling for a change in our election process.
I was brought up to win, but if I lose, lose gracefully.

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