2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[trixstar]

Color me shocked



https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio....co/9nxY4SxEkc

[corndog]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Color me shocked



https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio....co/9nxY4SxEkc

from the story:

- according to White House and administration officials at the center of the response, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

Grain of salt.

[NeedChapmans]

This never gets old.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Here's what I don't get when people say this and I'm neither left or right and maybe it was just what I saw and not countrywide idk...but the 8 years before trump i saw the exact same thing from the right regarding Obama that the left does to Trump..and im talking about everyday people like you and me not the media. 8 years i heard nothing but complaining and nitpicking every little thing Obama did. I heard from those at work..I saw it on my fb feed every day..i heard the lame nicknames for him like "O'Bummer" on a constant basis. I just really don't see the difference from where I see things..it was just as eye rolling as it is when people bash Trump for every little thing he says or does..if Biden wins the roles will reverse...if not more of the same

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Sure there was animosity towards Obama but there also a component of if you said anything negative you were called a racist. And again, sure there were plenty that were racist, but not everyone but that's the way it was.
Let's put it another way.
In the Obama years there were plenty of people who had no fear of putting an Obama sign in their yard or a bumper sticker on one's car.
I support Trump but there's no way in hell I would put either a sign in my yard or a bumper sticker on my vehicle. My insurance is already high enough and there's a lot of folks on the left that wouldn't hesitate to vandalize my card or my home. You don't dare where a Trump cap let alone a "Make America Great" cap for fear there's going to be a confrontation. Speaking for myself, I just don't have it in me to get into an altercation with some young female who of course hates Trump.
There's also no comparison for the media as they fawned all over Obama and well, we all know how the treat Trump.
No denying it.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This never gets old.

Chill dawg!

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Sure there was animosity towards Obama but there also a component of if you said anything negative you were called a racist. And again, sure there were plenty that were racist, but not everyone but that's the way it was.
Let's put it another way.
In the Obama years there were plenty of people who had no fear of putting an Obama sign in their yard or a bumper sticker on one's car.
I support Trump but there's no way in hell I would put either a sign in my yard or a bumper sticker on my vehicle. My insurance is already high enough and there's a lot of folks on the left that wouldn't hesitate to vandalize my card or my home. You don't dare where a Trump cap let alone a "Make America Great" cap for fear there's going to be a confrontation. Speaking for myself, I just don't have it in me to get into an altercation with some young female who of course hates Trump.
There's also no comparison for the media as they fawned all over Obama and well, we all know how the treat Trump.
No denying it.

For sure..as with everything opinions are shaped by our experiences

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This never gets old.

Lol. Sorry dawg. Gunz are bad. Just call the cops if it gets bad. They’ll save you.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Sure there was animosity towards Obama but there also a component of if you said anything negative you were called a racist. And again, sure there were plenty that were racist, but not everyone but that's the way it was.
Let's put it another way.
In the Obama years there were plenty of people who had no fear of putting an Obama sign in their yard or a bumper sticker on one's car.
I support Trump but there's no way in hell I would put either a sign in my yard or a bumper sticker on my vehicle. My insurance is already high enough and there's a lot of folks on the left that wouldn't hesitate to vandalize my card or my home. You don't dare where a Trump cap let alone a "Make America Great" cap for fear there's going to be a confrontation. Speaking for myself, I just don't have it in me to get into an altercation with some young female who of course hates Trump.
There's also no comparison for the media as they fawned all over Obama and well, we all know how the treat Trump.
No denying it.

I concur to some degree about the media, though from Day 1 Trump was anti-media and wanted to get his message out instead over social media. The war with the media was on, and the media thus had to act the way it has and do its best to spin things against him whenever and however possible. Again, he knew this up front hence all the tweets. The media wants someone that they can fawn over and interact with again, not someone who ignores them, calls them names, etc. I'm a Trump supporter and think things might be different had he not gone to war with them. And like you, I will not put yard signs out, etc, i'll just go vote. Too many crazies on both sides right now filled with hate and happy to act on it. I do agree with what someone posted earlier on about the racist angle when Mr Obama was President....it bought out the worst in people simply because of his color. I have no problem criticizing politicians for anything political, but beginning with Obama and now with Trump, everything is so personalized, color of skin, hair color, family, I feel we've regressed to grade school mentality.

[DegaBama]

This is what people are afraid of. It's okay to have casinos but God forbid a church have 50% capacity.

https://time.com/5871824/supreme-cou...h-coronavirus/

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

This is what people are afraid of. It's okay to have casinos but God forbid a church have 50% capacity.

https://time.com/5871824/supreme-cou...h-coronavirus/

Do churches pay taxes or anything vs casinos? Not sure how it works with those two.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Do churches pay taxes or anything vs casinos? Not sure how it works with those two.

They are exempt. Well, most are.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I guess the counter to that statement is that aren't you entitled to feel that someone should feel required to go back to teaching live and risk their health so your kids can benefit. I don't actually feel your are entitled by the way, I'm just stating you can spin that any way you want. You come across looking for what's best for your kids while they try looking for what's best for them and their families. That isn't entitlement either which way.

It's fine if they don't want to teach because they don't feel it's best for their family. But I shouldn't have to pay them if this is the choice they make.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

I concur to some degree about the media, though from Day 1 Trump was anti-media and wanted to get his message out instead over social media. The war with the media was on, and the media thus had to act the way it has and do its best to spin things against him whenever and however possible. Again, he knew this up front hence all the tweets. The media wants someone that they can fawn over and interact with again, not someone who ignores them, calls them names, etc. I'm a Trump supporter and think things might be different had he not gone to war with them. And like you, I will not put yard signs out, etc, i'll just go vote. Too many crazies on both sides right now filled with hate and happy to act on it. I do agree with what someone posted earlier on about the racist angle when Mr Obama was President....it bought out the worst in people simply because of his color. I have no problem criticizing politicians for anything political, but beginning with Obama and now with Trump, everything is so personalized, color of skin, hair color, family, I feel we've regressed to grade school mentality.

If by day 1 you mean when he first announced his candidacy I agree. It certainly wasn't day 1 of his term. The media mocked and ridiculed him as soon as he announced he was running.
I didn't care for Obama because of his policies. He totally lost me when the rhetoric from his mentor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, was brought to light and Obama dropped him like a hot potato, for political expediency.
I personally experienced a lot of "your racist" comments a lot of times I spoke my opinion of him.
Race had nothing to do with it.

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[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

I concur to some degree about the media, though from Day 1 Trump was anti-media and wanted to get his message out instead over social media. The war with the media was on, and the media thus had to act the way it has and do its best to spin things against him whenever and however possible. Again, he knew this up front hence all the tweets. The media wants someone that they can fawn over and interact with again, not someone who ignores them, calls them names, etc. I'm a Trump supporter and think things might be different had he not gone to war with them. And like you, I will not put yard signs out, etc, i'll just go vote. Too many crazies on both sides right now filled with hate and happy to act on it. I do agree with what someone posted earlier on about the racist angle when Mr Obama was President....it bought out the worst in people simply because of his color. I have no problem criticizing politicians for anything political, but beginning with Obama and now with Trump, everything is so personalized, color of skin, hair color, family, I feel we've regressed to grade school mentality.

This country needs more level-headed people like you.
Thank you for acknowledging some of the difficulties coming from both sides, while still maintaining your political affiliation.

What are some of the reasons/ policies that you are leading you to be in support of Trump for a second term? And are you concerned with how the president has normalized the use of Twitter as a standard communication platform for politics?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

It's fine if they don't want to teach because they don't feel it's best for their family. But I shouldn't have to pay them if this is the choice they make.

Where would we be if every essential took on the same stance regarding going to work every day like the teachers are?

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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Where would we be if every essential took on the same stance regarding going to work every day like the teachers are?

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[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Chill dawg!

No comment I just like the dog.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

This country needs more level-headed people like you.
Thank you for acknowledging some of the difficulties coming from both sides, while still maintaining your political affiliation.

What are some of the reasons/ policies that you are leading you to be in support of Trump for a second term? And are you concerned with how the president has normalized the use of Twitter as a standard communication platform for politics?

first off, I wish Trump would stop with the childish namecalling and stop antagonizing his opponents. I think he's best suited for an economic recovery following covid. Prior to covid, our economy was doing well, African American unemployment continued to decrease over his Presidency and unemployment as a whole was very low. We need the economy to recover quickly for the good of everyone, get businesses, factories, the hospitality industry going and get everyone of all races and ethnicities back to work. As far as his communication platform, it would be nice if we could get back to a normal media relationship and relatively unbiased media, but that's a pipe dream and will never happen. At least with twitter you get the words right out of his mouth, good and bad, and its out there for everyone to see. I would love to see him or Biden if he gets elected try to get some sort of term limits for Congress, keeping these people in office on either side of the aisle for 20+ years is ridiculous and part of the overall problems we have today IMHO anyway. 8 years max is fine with me.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This never gets old.

And this is EXACTLY what a lot of people have said they were concerned about. It’s not about how bad it is now or five minutes from now... it’s about the clear direction. It’s not that bad... until it is. Now all the sudden Mr. Chill Dawg, whoever this guy even is, needs a gun because things are out of hand. Welcome to the concerned citizen club, brah.

He better act fast. I picked up a compact pistol for my wife yesterday. Guns and ammo are becoming increasingly difficult to come by.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

first off, I wish Trump would stop with the childish namecalling and stop antagonizing his opponents. I think he's best suited for an economic recovery following covid. Prior to covid, our economy was doing well, African American unemployment continued to decrease over his Presidency and unemployment as a whole was very low. We need the economy to recover quickly for the good of everyone, get businesses, factories, the hospitality industry going and get everyone of all races and ethnicities back to work. As far as his communication platform, it would be nice if we could get back to a normal media relationship and relatively unbiased media, but that's a pipe dream and will never happen. At least with twitter you get the words right out of his mouth, good and bad, and its out there for everyone to see. I would love to see him or Biden if he gets elected try to get some sort of term limits for Congress, keeping these people in office on either side of the aisle for 20+ years is ridiculous and part of the overall problems we have today IMHO anyway. 8 years max is fine with me.

Congress will NEVER pass a law to support term limits. There is two much money to be made by both sides to be career crooks.

[packman80]

So seems the protester side in Seattle trying to do what they can to spin Garrett Foster as a victim from the shooting last night despite a picture of him pointing his AK-47 at the car and audio of 8 shots being fired the first 5 coming from the AK-47 adn the last 3 from a handgun in the car which killed Foster. Seems likely that this will be ruled a case of self defense. Mr. Foster had every right to be carrying the weapon during the protest but when he decided to use it the person in the car had a right to self defense. Plus Foster firing it when a crowd was around that car was a poor choice also as he could have killed others.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by packman80

Congress will NEVER pass a law to support term limits. There is two much money to be made by both sides to be career crooks.

I said it was a wish. Most of my wishes rarely become reality

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

first off, I wish Trump would stop with the childish namecalling and stop antagonizing his opponents. I think he's best suited for an economic recovery following covid. Prior to covid, our economy was doing well, African American unemployment continued to decrease over his Presidency and unemployment as a whole was very low. We need the economy to recover quickly for the good of everyone, get businesses, factories, the hospitality industry going and get everyone of all races and ethnicities back to work. As far as his communication platform, it would be nice if we could get back to a normal media relationship and relatively unbiased media, but that's a pipe dream and will never happen. At least with twitter you get the words right out of his mouth, good and bad, and its out there for everyone to see. I would love to see him or Biden if he gets elected try to get some sort of term limits for Congress, keeping these people in office on either side of the aisle for 20+ years is ridiculous and part of the overall problems we have today IMHO anyway. 8 years max is fine with me.

I see where you're coming from with regards to economic recovery and feel as though there have been certain policies under the Trump administration that have continued to move the country forward economically. I also give credit to the Obama administration for some of it's handling of the Recession and rebuild.

The concerns I come up against with Trump have been twofold
1) His backtracking/attempts to erase on Obama-era policies such the ACA (rather than build on and improve on the statute, and his withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement.
2) His mishandling of media/political relations within the U.S.
His lack of diplomacy is of concern both domestically and potentially abroad.

The lengthy terms for both Congress & Senate are issues that need to be addressed in order for us to move closer to true democracy.
I also would've liked to see Trump address the many issues with the electoral college, which he had stated was a problem prior to his election and is something that gets in the way of a truly democratic national election process.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by packman80

So seems the protester side in Seattle trying to do what they can to spin Garrett Foster as a victim from the shooting last night despite a picture of him pointing his AK-47 at the car and audio of 8 shots being fired the first 5 coming from the AK-47 adn the last 3 from a handgun in the car which killed Foster. Seems likely that this will be ruled a case of self defense. Mr. Foster had every right to be carrying the weapon during the protest but when he decided to use it the person in the car had a right to self defense. Plus Foster firing it when a crowd was around that car was a poor choice also as he could have killed others.

it sure has become the wild wild west up there hasn't it? We were supposed to vacation up that way this year but covid derailed that and we plan on going next year instead (cause 2021 has to be better right?). However if this kind of stuff doesn't stop, i'll have no desire to go that direction. So much beauty up there, hope we get to see it.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I see where you're coming from with regards to economic recovery and feel as though there have been certain policies under the Trump administration that have continued to move the country forward economically. I also give credit to the Obama administration for some of it's handling of the Recession and rebuild.

The concerns I come up against with Trump have been twofold
1) His backtracking/attempts to erase on Obama-era policies such the ACA (rather than build on and improve on the statute, and withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement.
2) His mishandling of media/political relations within the U.S.
His lack of diplomacy is of concern both domestically and potentially abroad.

The lengthy terms for both Congress & Senate are issues that need to be addressed in order for us to move closer to true democracy.
I also would've liked to see Trump address the many issues with the electoral college, which he had stated was a problem prior to his election and is something that gets in the way of a truly democratic national election process.

without the Electoral college, all elections will be decided by California, New York and Illinois.