2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[carlo16]

This thread has me vexed.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Ronald Reagan‘s ideology, the epitome of what it means to be a Republican and an American Patriot, would’ve wanted nothing to do with our sexual deviant, Russian-loving, racist clown POTUS. Hopefully, the circus gets its act cancelled in November with a final performance in January. Let’s see the stunts he will pull to burn down the tent during that time.

Reagan Foundation asks Trump campaign, RNC to stop using former president's name to raise money

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...p-using-former

Only thing the left does anymore is say Russia and racist. Shows what pathetic losers they are that is the only two things they can say anymore.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Ronald Reagan‘s ideology, the epitome of what it means to be a Republican and an American Patriot, would’ve wanted nothing to do with our sexual deviant, Russian-loving, racist clown POTUS. Hopefully, the circus gets its act cancelled in November with a final performance in January. Let’s see the stunts he will pull to burn down the tent during that time.

Reagan Foundation asks Trump campaign, RNC to stop using former president's name to raise money

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...p-using-former

This same Reagan?

Seems somebody has some learning to do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/595102/

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Of all things, you choose this to complain about in this thread?

I didn't complain, I just stated my opinion. Isn't that what this thread is for?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by packman80

Only thing the left does anymore is say Russia and racist. Shows what pathetic losers they are that is the only two things they can say anymore.

Sexual deviant, liar, xenophobic, cheater, .....Shall I go on? I can if you want.

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

This same Reagan?

Seems somebody has some learning to do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/595102/

Wow! I didn't know that. No wonder why Trump likes Reagan. Unbelievable how MSM covers up for these libs.

Guess Reagan is another POS....at least he is a little better than Trump; he loved our country and didn't have the IQ of a walnut.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez
July 23rd, 2020

"I would also like to thank many of my colleagues for the opportunity to not only speak today but for the many members from both sides of the aisle who have reached out to me in support following an incident earlier this week.

About two days ago I was walking up the steps of the Capitol when Representative Yoho suddenly turned a corner, and he was accompanied by Representative Roger Williams. And accosted me on the steps right here in front of our nation's capitol.

I was minding my own business, walking up the steps, and Representative Yoho put his finger in my face, he called me disgusting, he called me crazy, he called me out of my mind. And he called me dangerous. And then he took a few more steps and after I had recognized his – after I had recognized his comments as rude, he walked away and said, I’m rude, you're calling me rude. I took a few steps ahead and I walked inside and cast my vote.
Because my constituents send me here each and every day to fight for them. And to make sure that they are able to keep a roof over their head. That they are able to feed their families. And that they are able to carry their lives with dignity.

I walked back out and there were reporters in the front of the Capitol, and in front of reporters, Representative Yoho called me, and I quote, a f------ b----. These are the words Representative Yoho levied against a congresswoman. A congresswoman that not only represents New York’s 14th district but every congresswoman in this country because all of us have had to deal with this in some form, some way, some shape at some point in our lives.

And I want to be clear that Representative Yoho’s comments were not deeply hurtful or piercing to me. Because I have worked a working-class job. I have waited tables in restaurants. I have ridden the subway. I have walked the streets in New York City. And this kind of language is not new. I have encountered words uttered by Mr. Yoho and men uttering the same words as Mr. Yoho while I was being harassed in restaurants. I have tossed men out of bars that have used language like Mr. Yoho's, and I have encountered this type of harassment riding the subway in New York City. This is not new. And that is the problem.

Mr. Yoho was not alone. He was walking shoulder to shoulder with Representative Roger Williams. And that's when we start to see that this issue is not about one incident. It is cultural. It is a culture of a lack of impunity, of acceptance of violence and violent language against women, an entire structure of power that supports that.

Because not only have I been spoken to disrespectfully, particularly by members of the Republican Party, and elected officials in the Republican Party, not just here, but the President of the United States last year told me to 'go home' to another country with the implication that I don't even belong in America. The governor of Florida, Governor DeSantis, before I was sworn in, called me a 'whatever that is.' Dehumanizing language is not new. And what we are seeing is that incidents like these are happening in a pattern. This is a pattern of an attitude towards women and the dehumanization of others.

So, while I was not deeply hurt or offended by little comments that are made, when I was reflecting on this, I honestly thought I was going to pack it up and go home. It's just another day, right?

But then yesterday, Representative Yoho decided to come to the floor of the House of Representatives and make excuses for his behavior. And that I could not let go. I could not allow my nieces, I could not allow the little girls that I go home to, I could not allow victims of verbal abuse and, worse, to see that — to see that excuse and to see our Congress accept it as legitimate and accept it as an apology and to accept silence as a form of acceptance, I could not allow that to stand. Which is why I’m rising today to raise this point of personal privilege.

And I do not need representative Yoho to apologize to me. Clearly, he does not want to. Clearly, when given the opportunity he will not. And I will not stay up late at night waiting for an apology from a man who has no remorse over calling women and using abusive language towards women. But what I do have issue with is using women, wives, and daughters as shields and excuses for poor behavior.

Mr. Yoho mentioned that he has a wife and two daughters. I am two years younger than Mr. Yoho's youngest daughter. I am someone's daughter too.

My father, thankfully, is not alive to see how Mr. Yoho treated his daughter. My mother got to see Mr. Yoho's disrespect on the floor of this house towards me on television, and I am here because I have to show my parents that I am their daughter and that they did not raise me to accept abuse from men.

Now, what I am here to say is that this harm that Mr. Yoho levied, tried to levy against me, was not just an incident directed at me, but when you do that to any woman, what Mr. Yoho did was give permission to other men to do that to his daughters.

He -- in using that language, in front of the press, he gave permission to use that language against his wife, his daughters, women in his community, and I am here to stand up to say that is not acceptable.

I do not care what your views are. It does not matter how much I disagree or how much it incenses me or how much I feel that people are dehumanizing others.

I will not do that myself. I will not allow people to change and create hatred in our hearts.

And so, what I believe is that having a daughter does not make a man decent. Having a wife does not make a decent man. Treating people with dignity and respect makes a decent man. And when a decent man messes up, as we all are bound to do, he tries his best and does apologize. Not to save face, not to win a vote. He apologizes genuinely to repair and acknowledge the harm done so that we can all move on.

Lastly, what I want to express to Mr. Yoho is gratitude. I want to thank him for showing the world that you can be a powerful man and accost women. You can have daughters and accost women without remorse. You can be married and accost women. You can take photos and project an image to the world of being a family man and accost women without remorse and with a sense of impunity. It happens every day in this country. It happened here on the steps of our nation’s Capitol. It happens when individuals who hold the highest office in this land admit, admit to hurting women, and using this language against all of us.

Once again, I thank my colleagues for joining us today."

This could be one of the first things she has said that I agree with. Well written.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

And what happens if Trump doesn’t get re-elected? What excuses? What conspiracy theories will he come up with and which lies will his kult eat up and regurgitate?



Hunter? Voting by mail? Hoaxes? You know he is already sowing seeds of doubt in case he loses.

One thing is for sure, it won't be anything like the 4 year temper tantrum the left has been throwing.
You guys seem to have finally found something you're good at.

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[TheHeel]

We are 100 days out from the 2020 election.

Who do you have for the W?

I thought from 2017-February 2020, Trump would probably be re-elected. I think with the poor response to the pandemic, the failing economy, and dismal social situation, I think he is done (at this point in time). He will have to go down deep in his bag of tricks to win this one come November. <Paging Roger Stone, paging Roger Stone>

Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million however lost the electoral by, I think, around 70k votes which is really nothing. He ran on The Wall (which failed), better healthcare (which failed), being an outsider (which he isn't anymore), and draining the swamp (he drained it and filled it up with toxic waste).

To his supporters, what is his agenda for his next term? Anyone?

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

We are 100 days out from the 2020 election.

Who do you have for the W?

I thought from 2017-February 2020, Trump would probably be re-elected. I think with the poor response to the pandemic, the failing economy, and dismal social situation, I think he is done (at this point in time). He will have to go down deep in his bag of tricks to win this one come November. <Paging Roger Stone, paging Roger Stone>

Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million however lost the electoral by, I think, around 70k votes which is really nothing. He ran on The Wall (which failed), better healthcare (which failed), being an outsider (which he isn't anymore), and draining the swamp (he drained it and filled it up with toxic waste).

To his supporters, what is his agenda for his next term? Anyone?

Looks like a blue wave unless some of these GOP ditch Trump ASAP.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

We are 100 days out from the 2020 election.

Who do you have for the W?

I thought from 2017-February 2020, Trump would probably be re-elected. I think with the poor response to the pandemic, the failing economy, and dismal social situation, I think he is done (at this point in time). He will have to go down deep in his bag of tricks to win this one come November. <Paging Roger Stone, paging Roger Stone>

Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million however lost the electoral by, I think, around 70k votes which is really nothing. He ran on The Wall (which failed), better healthcare (which failed), being an outsider (which he isn't anymore), and draining the swamp (he drained it and filled it up with toxic waste).

To his supporters, what is his agenda for his next term? Anyone?

What's Biden agenda? The fact that half the country is going to vote for someone who hasn't really laid out any plans except "orange man bad" is a problem.

The economy was really strong under Trump, I know you like to blame the economy falling on him, but you also blame the pandemic and deaths on him... which you can't have it both ways, if you take off your blinders, you'd see that.

Unemployment was very low, there wasn't much social justice drama, life was just free. Then the Democrats came in and started to tear the country down again.

His agenda to me, is simple, just do what you did the first 3 years before the pandemic hit. Life seemed to be pretty simple, then.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

What's Biden agenda? The fact that half the country is going to vote for someone who hasn't really laid out any plans except "orange man bad" is a problem.

The economy was really strong under Trump, I know you like to blame the economy falling on him, but you also blame the pandemic and deaths on him... which you can't have it both ways, if you take off your blinders, you'd see that.

Unemployment was very low, there wasn't much social justice drama, life was just free. Then the Democrats came in and started to tear the country down again.

His agenda to me, is simple, just do what you did the first 3 years before the pandemic hit. Life seemed to be pretty simple, then.

Biden's agenda will be whatever the progressive left will tell him it will be. They will be running things not him. Biden is just a puppet to get the moderate left to vote for him.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

And what happens if Trump doesn’t get re-elected? What excuses? What conspiracy theories will he come up with and which lies will his kult eat up and regurgitate?

Hunter? Voting by mail? Hoaxes? You know he is already sowing seeds of doubt in case he loses.

He will come up with no excuses, left gonna left.

[ballhawkdawk]

My only hope is that if Biden wins, the incessant bitching from the liberals ends. Can we make that deal?

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

My only hope is that if Biden wins, the incessant bitching from the liberals ends. Can we make that deal?

Biden, if he wins,, is going to inherit a mess. His puppet masters will enjoy two years at the top of the heap, presiding over a wrecked economy that they can only make worse with their policy agenda. 2022 and 2024 will be the true battles for the soul of the country.

[discostu]

Unless you haven't been paying attention, a lot can change in these next 100 days.

No, the economy probably won't be humming along.

No, we probably won't have reopened completely.

No, our kids probably won't all be in school.

But a lot can still change between wherever the polls/trends are regarding the presidency.

No matter what, whoever is standing there with their hand on the Bible on inauguration day will be in a rough spot.

I hope the #1 priority is a WPA styled program to rebuild the infrastructure and get Americans back to rebuilding a better America.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

What's Biden agenda? The fact that half the country is going to vote for someone who hasn't really laid out any plans except "orange man bad" is a problem.

That "except" is enormous here.

[jk1937]

right now i think biden wins it but the longer the violent protests like seattle and portland go on the better chance trump has in my opinion, especially if the the protests and fires they set lead to innocent people being injured/killed like in the chop zone.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

And what happens if Trump doesn’t get re-elected? What excuses? What conspiracy theories will he come up with and which lies will his kult eat up and regurgitate?

Hunter? Voting by mail? Hoaxes? You know he is already sowing seeds of doubt in case he loses.

the loser always makes excuses. See Hillary as the most recent example, the Russians, the electoral college, yada yada. There always has to be another explanation other than just outright losing. That's the problem with politics, its always someone elses fault.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Sexual deviant, liar, xenophobic, cheater, .....Shall I go on? I can if you want.




Wow! I didn't know that. No wonder why Trump likes Reagan. Unbelievable how MSM covers up for these libs.

Guess Reagan is another POS....at least he is a little better than Trump; he loved our country and didn't have the IQ of a walnut.

He was also a major driver for our wonderful prison complex.

Pretty much every issue will rate dealing with today can be traced back to any number of former Presidents and Politicians, many of the same ones running for office today *cough* Biden *cough* *cough*. Yet these same politicians want us to trust them to fix all the problems of the world and people just lap it right up.

Ain’t gonna happen. You want change, you’re not going to find it by advocating for Politicians.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Astros19

One thing is for sure, it won't be anything like the 4 year temper tantrum the left has been throwing.
You guys seem to have finally found something you're good at.

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Here's what I don't get when people say this and I'm neither left or right and maybe it was just what I saw and not countrywide idk...but the 8 years before trump i saw the exact same thing from the right regarding Obama that the left does to Trump..and im talking about everyday people like you and me not the media. 8 years i heard nothing but complaining and nitpicking every little thing Obama did. I heard from those at work..I saw it on my fb feed every day..i heard the lame nicknames for him like "O'Bummer" on a constant basis. I just really don't see the difference from where I see things..it was just as eye rolling as it is when people bash Trump for every little thing he says or does..if Biden wins the roles will reverse...if not more of the same

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Here's what I don't get when people say this and I'm neither left or right and maybe it was just what I saw and not countrywide idk...but the 8 years before trump i saw the exact same thing from the right regarding Obama that the left does to Trump..and im talking about everyday people like you and me not the media. 8 years i heard nothing but complaining and nitpicking every little thing Obama did. I heard from those at work..I saw it on my fb feed every day..i heard the lame nicknames for him like "O'Bummer" on a constant basis. I just really don't see the difference from where I see things..it was just as eye rolling as it is when people bash Trump for every little thing he says or does..if Biden wins the roles will reverse...if not more of the same

The response from Trump supporters will be "that's not true, the MSM is way worse now!" - which is partially true, but the biggest reason is probably because of how loud the social media megaphone is now. Sure facebook and twitter existed during Obama's years, but it hasn't hit the crescendo yet meaning it's only getting worse before it gets better. More people are using it, more people are using it in stupid ways, and more bad actors are abusing it to make the cycle continue to exist.

Social media is a terrible way to communicate, and it's made our world a worse place. Let alone the whole "you wouldn't talk like that if you had a real fear I'd punch you in the mouth", it's made MSM devolve into click-bait headlines and "news" which only exist to attract eyeballs no matter the cost.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Here's what I don't get when people say this and I'm neither left or right and maybe it was just what I saw and not countrywide idk...but the 8 years before trump i saw the exact same thing from the right regarding Obama that the left does to Trump..and im talking about everyday people like you and me not the media. 8 years i heard nothing but complaining and nitpicking every little thing Obama did. I heard from those at work..I saw it on my fb feed every day..i heard the lame nicknames for him like "O'Bummer" on a constant basis. I just really don't see the difference from where I see things..it was just as eye rolling as it is when people bash Trump for every little thing he says or does..if Biden wins the roles will reverse...if not more of the same

I remember that time period differently. I haven’t been on social media in any meaningful capacity for years. Maybe six years. I can only imagine what kind of dumb sh** gets spouted on Facebook on a regular basis from people overly eager to share their poorly informed opinions and ideas with the world. And that’s not limited to politics, but just about everything.

But to the point... I remember Obama and every other prior president as far back as Clinton catching his own fair share of heat, but with Trump it feels like an unprecedented amount aimed his way. I’ve never seen the media so after a president in the way they are with Trump. I’ve had Yahoo as a homepage since forever. I never saw articles about Obama like I do about Trump. And they’re all poorly researched, which is why the majority of the comments on any of those articles were roasting the writer for writing such hack garbage and passing it off as news. It seems like they turned off the comments in an effort to control the narrative.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by mattglet

The response from Trump supporters will be "that's not true, the MSM is way worse now!" - which is partially true, but the biggest reason is probably because of how loud the social media megaphone is now. Sure facebook and twitter existed during Obama's years, but it hasn't hit the crescendo yet meaning it's only getting worse before it gets better. More people are using it, more people are using it in stupid ways, and more bad actors are abusing it to make the cycle continue to exist.

Social media is a terrible way to communicate, and it's made our world a worse place. Let alone the whole "you wouldn't talk like that if you had a real fear I'd punch you in the mouth", it's made MSM devolve into click-bait headlines and "news" which only exist to attract eyeballs no matter the cost.

I think there’s a lot of truth to this. I can’t say for certain. I do agree that social media is awful, but I just see it as a representation of who we are. It’s like the Kardashians... we can blame them for sucking, but they have like a dozen seasons on cable and people lap it up. So are they the problem or is that just the kind of content Americans really want? I think social media is the same... we can blame Facebook, but Facebook is just a platform. The users are the problem. IMO.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by mattglet

The response from Trump supporters will be "that's not true, the MSM is way worse now!" - which is partially true, but the biggest reason is probably because of how loud the social media megaphone is now. Sure facebook and twitter existed during Obama's years, but it hasn't hit the crescendo yet meaning it's only getting worse before it gets better. More people are using it, more people are using it in stupid ways, and more bad actors are abusing it to make the cycle continue to exist.

Social media is a terrible way to communicate, and it's made our world a worse place. Let alone the whole "you wouldn't talk like that if you had a real fear I'd punch you in the mouth", it's made MSM devolve into click-bait headlines and "news" which only exist to attract eyeballs no matter the cost.

For sure, Social Media is embarrassing. I guess it's all about personal experiences. For me, in my world, it was worse when Obama was President because there definitely was a racial componenant to it in my opinion and I was around way more people who opposed him than supported him. I was a groomsman in my friends wedding and was the only "outsider so to speak (the rest of his groomsmen he went to high school with and his brother, I was the only one from College so I didn't know anybody) and at the Bachelor Party oh boy was it one of the most disgusting vile racist crap I've ever heard. It made me super uncomfortable and it's something that I'll never forget. It was just full of hatred.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I remember that time period differently. I haven’t been on social media in any meaningful capacity for years. Maybe six years. I can only imagine what kind of dumb sh** gets spouted on Facebook on a regular basis from people overly eager to share their poorly informed opinions and ideas with the world. And that’s not limited to politics, but just about everything.

But to the point... I remember Obama and every other prior president as far back as Clinton catching his own fair share of heat, but with Trump it feels like an unprecedented amount aimed his way. I’ve never seen the media so after a president in the way they are with Trump. I’ve had Yahoo as a homepage since forever. I never saw articles about Obama like I do about Trump. And they’re all poorly researched, which is why the majority of the comments on any of those articles were roasting the writer for writing such hack garbage and passing it off as news. It seems like they turned off the comments in an effort to control the narrative.

Like I said it's all about personal experiences. I was around a lot more people who didn't support Obama than I was who did, so I'd see stupid crap every day of his term..I'm not absolving the left of doing the same, just saying for me, it's no different than what was happening before Trump