2022 Topps Chrome Update Sapphire--This Could Be the Product of the Year? (2022/2023)

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Originally Posted by Inventfmc

I think only supers ive seen (auto wise) were kirby and witt.

The one that really gets me is Peña orange auto. They dont exist and no one is talkking about it. (3 of the reds have been pulled and 2 purple. Thats it.)

You're right. I did have the Bobby on my little (outdated) tracker. I know the Kwan super auto was pulled as well. That really stinks if they didn't pack out the 25 orange Pena autos! We certainly should have seen a couple of those by now. Darn.

[h00perstar34]

Crazy all the red Julio’s have surfaced, but so few orange

[Cards and 401K]

If Jrod has a disappointing sophomore year market will adjust, thing that has my radar up is Tatis Jr issue and how many of the young guns that have debuted since 2017-18 are really CLEAN…


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[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

If Jrod has a disappointing sophomore year market will adjust, thing that has my radar up is Tatis Jr issue and how many of the young guns that have debuted since 2017-18 are really CLEAN…

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Name a dumber player in baseball that debuted between 2017-2021. You can't. Tatis is an actual moron. He's proven it over and over again. Im not saying everyone is clean, but to assume others are doing it because he did...is crazy imo.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

If Jrod has a disappointing sophomore year market will adjust, thing that has my radar up is Tatis Jr issue and how many of the young guns that have debuted since 2017-18 are really CLEAN…


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If any of the 2017-18 guys are using and get caught...they're just dumb after seeing what happened with FTJ.

Have a buddy who played in the NFL about 15 years ago. He said every team has a guy who tells you when you're about to be "randomly" tested. If you're using something, you take a pill that dilutes your urine so the test comes back inconclusive. That will cause you to get retested in a few weeks so you have that whole time to cycle off whatever you're using. So if you actually get caught, either you're a dummy or you really have a drug problem.

Maybe the procedure has changed because I remember seeing the last few years that an inconclusive test is now considered a positive test but not sure.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Name a dumber player in baseball that debuted between 2017-2021. You can't. Tatis is an actual moron. He's proven it over and over again. Im not saying everyone is clean, but to assume others are doing it because he did...is crazy imo.

Trying to give Tatis a bit of a pass, I'd guess the entitlement/hubris that comes with being the son of a successful MLB player combined with a desire to give off a cool, hip, swag vibe can lead a young guy to make the types of decisions Tatis has made. But then I look at Vlad Jr. and just think that if Tatis isn't an "actual moron" he certainly doesn't help his case with almost comically bad decision making.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

If any of the 2017-18 guys are using and get caught...they're just dumb after seeing what happened with FTJ.

Have a buddy who played in the NFL about 15 years ago. He said every team has a guy who tells you when you're about to be "randomly" tested. If you're using something, you take a pill that dilutes your urine so the test comes back inconclusive. That will cause you to get retested in a few weeks so you have that whole time to cycle off whatever you're using. So if you actually get caught, either you're a dummy or you really have a drug problem.

Maybe the procedure has changed because I remember seeing the last few years that an inconclusive test is now considered a positive test but not sure.

Dilute is positive. Over hydrating or using a diuretic is a no no because the only typical explanation for doing so is that you're trying to cheat the test.

[Cards and 401K]

SB, I hope you are correct, I saw that pic of Pena and his triceps looked like Arnold S's. Then Soto and I know it's Coors field hits that mammoth 525 ft+ HR in the Derby....Maybe I am just a bit jaded with the FTJ, Bash Bros, Barry B etc and Lance Armstrong. Be interesting to see if Acuna Jr. gets his mojo back this year... for the record I think he is an amazing talent!

....Back to Sapphires!

[Bunny Hop]

Still haven't opened my two boxes and now I wonder if I've waited too long LOL.

[Merkle14]

Originally Posted by Bunny Hop

Still haven't opened my two boxes and now I wonder if I've waited too long LOL.

J Rod Super just sitting in there #sad

[Bunny Hop]

Originally Posted by merkle14

j rod super just sitting in there #sad

thats what im talking about~

back on the wagon.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Dilute is positive. Over hydrating or using a diuretic is a no no because the only typical explanation for doing so is that you're trying to cheat the test.

Depends on the sensitivity of the test.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Depends on the sensitivity of the test.

A diluted sample has nothing to do with the sensitivity of the test. When a sample is "dilute" it simply refers to the creatinine level of the sample being less than a threshold (typically <20). So it doesn't matter how sensitive a test is, if they are measuring creatinine levels, they can determine if a sample is dilute.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

A diluted sample has nothing to do with the sensitivity of the test. When a sample is "dilute" it simply refers to the creatinine level of the sample being less than a threshold (typically <20). So it doesn't matter how sensitive a test is, if they are measuring creatinine levels, they can determine if a sample is dilute.

The reason "dilute" is an issue is because a test can't pick up substances that fall below a threshold.

Nobody gets busted for steroids from submitting a diluted sample. You can get busted for taking diuretics or amphetamines.

[SupermanBrandon]

Here comes the argument for the next 2 pages. A pretend lawyer and you know who. Lets Go!

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Here comes the argument for the next 2 pages. A pretend lawyer and you know who. Lets Go!

You should learn how to spell "whether".

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

You should learn how to spell "whether".

Got'em

[theshowandme]

Positive for nandrolone.

I think we've come to the point where if he thought he'd done something wrong he would have admitted it. His apology did not provide that. You can tell he wanted to skewer the testing system but he probably couldn't for whatever reason.

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Got'em

This cracked me up more than it should have.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Depends on the sensitivity of the test.

Uh, no. It depends on what MLB and MLBPA use as the minimum allowed specific gravity and creatinine of the sample to define what is not dilute.

[krmcards]

Has anyone seen Elehuris Montero orange/red refractors? I know a guy who was a childhood friend of his and I have bought some cards for him and haven't seen any. If any one has one for sale PM me.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Uh, no. It depends on what MLB and MLBPA use as the minimum allowed specific gravity and creatinine of the sample to define what is not dilute.

Already discussed. Players are not “positive” based on a dilute sample. There is no punishment for that.


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[Bob Ross]

[ThoseBackPages]

we gettin' there!

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Already discussed. Players are not “positive” based on a dilute sample. There is no punishment for that.


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https://registration.mlbpa.org/pdf/2...am_English.pdf

Read Section 3.E.3. Technically, you are correct because the player is given the leeway to provide samples until a non-dilute specimen is achieved. Interestingly, the rules of the program leave it open ended for how to handle a player who can't produce a non-dilute specimen. But the program does allow the IPA to consider a test positive if the player attempts to dilute a specimen.