Patrick Mahomes Prices

[TheFrenzy]

So if it ends up being Chiefs-49ers in the Super Bowl, that's going to be a tough match up for Mahomes against that defense.

Does Purdy become the "next Brady" in the eyes of the hobby if he leads them to a ring over Mahomes?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I like Hardman in a dual threat role - speed/deep and trick/reverse guy. MVS doesn't quite have the versatility that Hardman does. Toney not quite as fast.

But you're right - I think Toney is probably better than Hardman and I trust his hands way more than Hardman's.

It'd be nice to see what Reid would come up with when Toney, JuJu, Hardman, MVS, McKinnon, and Kelce are all on the field. Someone would be running wide open.

Originally Posted by kcroyalsfan8515

A few weeks ago my brother told me and my buddies he heard MeCole has taken his last snap with the Chiefs.. He knows lots of people and appears he might be correct

Sounds like this might be the case.

Not sure what the deal is with his injury, but it doesn't seem to be healing like they expect.

He'd be a tough guy to throw too much money at. He's been productive, but never a breakout guy. Now you have injury concern.

As for this year, he'd be a luxury and not a necessity. The emergence or McKinnon gives that extra dimension they need, while Toney gives you the behind the line of scrimmage play Hardman did. Since there is no team in the AFC without a glaring weakness right now (Bills pass defense, Bengals Oline), it shouldn't be something that cripples the team.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

So if it ends up being Chiefs-49ers in the Super Bowl, that's going to be a tough match up for Mahomes against that defense.

Does Purdy become the "next Brady" in the eyes of the hobby if he leads them to a ring over Mahomes?

What's going to change defensively from the last time they played and Mahomes put up 423 yards and 3 touchdowns in route to the Chiefs scoring 44 points before they put in backup QB Chad Henne?

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

So if it ends up being Chiefs-49ers in the Super Bowl, that's going to be a tough match up for Mahomes against that defense.

Does Purdy become the "next Brady" in the eyes of the hobby if he leads them to a ring over Mahomes?

The only way Purdy becomes the "next Brady" is if Shanahan is Bill Belichick. Outside of that, he probably is just the "next Foles."

I agree about the 49ers, though. To me, they are the toughest team top to bottom.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

What's going to change defensively from the last time they played and Mahomes put up 423 yards and 3 touchdowns in route to the Chiefs scoring 44 points before they put in backup QB Chad Henne?

I'm not disagreeing with you...

...but I am being told on good authority in the weekly discussion thread that this year's Chiefs-49ers game is not relevant.

Just curious.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by tjforce

What's going to change defensively from the last time they played and Mahomes put up 423 yards and 3 touchdowns in route to the Chiefs scoring 44 points before they put in backup QB Chad Henne?

Other than...

a) Purdy starting instead of Garoppolo
b) this not being McCaffrey's 2nd day with the team
c) Arik Armstead playing

...nothing. It'll be exactly the same. Why even play the game if it comes it?

C'mon, tj. You know NFL games are all about match-ups and those are in constant flux. The 49ers ain't giving up 44 points in the Super Bowl to anyone.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Other than...

a) Purdy starting instead of Garoppolo
b) this not being McCaffrey's 2nd day with the team
c) Arik Armstead playing

...nothing. It'll be exactly the same. Why even play the game if it comes it?

C'mon, tj. You know NFL games are all about match-ups and those are in constant flux. The 49ers ain't giving up 44 points in the Super Bowl to anyone.

Definitely true.

What remaining NFC team would give up the least amount of points to the Chiefs? 49ers

What remaining NFC team would score the most points against the Chiefs? 49ers

Definitely betting odds should favor a Chiefs-9ers superbowl rematch.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

Definitely betting odds should favor a Chiefs-9ers superbowl rematch.

I want a Chiefs-Giants SB.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I want a Chiefs-Giants SB.

If that happens get ready for Mahomes cards to soar again.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Other than...

a) Purdy starting instead of Garoppolo
b) this not being McCaffrey's 2nd day with the team
c) Arik Armstead playing

...nothing. It'll be exactly the same. Why even play the game if it comes it?

C'mon, tj. You know NFL games are all about match-ups and those are in constant flux. The 49ers ain't giving up 44 points in the Super Bowl to anyone.

Do all those guys play defense?

I'm asking a legit question. Because they couldn't stop the Chiefs offense when they played earlier in the year, in San Franciso.

Schematically, what do the 49ers do different this time so that they give up less than 500 yards and 44 points?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Do all those guys play defense?

I'm asking a legit question. Because they couldn't stop the Chiefs offense when they played earlier in the year, in San Franciso.

Schematically, what do the 49ers do different this time so that they give up less than 500 yards and 44 points?

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by tjforce

What's going to change defensively from the last time they played and Mahomes put up 423 yards and 3 touchdowns in route to the Chiefs scoring 44 points before they put in backup QB Chad Henne?

Same way it changed when the Chiefs had no problem with the Bucs during the regular season then they got absolutely dominated in the Super Bowl.

Not saying that would happen in the rematch with Chiefs and 49ers but I don't think the Chiefs would have the same success as they did last time.

Speaking of was that the last time the 49ers lost a game?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Rabs

Same way it changed when the Chiefs had no problem with the Bucs during the regular season then they got absolutely dominated in the Super Bowl.

Not saying that would happen in the rematch with Chiefs and 49ers but I don't think the Chiefs would have the same success as they did last time.

Speaking of was that the last time the 49ers lost a game?

So you are counting on the Chiefs losing 3 starting offensive linemen in the next 2 weeks? Because right now the Chiefs have all 5 starters that began the season, unlike that year.

Also, a major difference there was that the Bucs seemed to have KC figured out by the second half of that regular season game. The second half drives for KC were:
-Touchdown
-Punt
-Punt
-Punt
-End of game.

The drives vs San Francisco Mahomes played in went:
-Int
-Touchdown
-Touchdown
-Missed FG
-Touchdown
-Touchdown
-Touchdown
-Touchdown

Chad Henne time.

I don't think KC puts up 44 again, but I don't know of any reason that they would suddenly struggle against this defense the way some are inferring.

[randino101]

In week 17, the Niner's vaunted D gave up 34 points the the hapless Raiders & 3 TD's to Jarrett Stidham (they won 37 to 34 in OT). In week 18, the Chiefs played those same Raiders and won 31 to 13.

Food for thought...

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by randino101

In week 17, the Niner's vaunted D gave up 34 points the the hapless Raiders & 3 TD's to Jarrett Stidham (they won 37 to 34 in OT). In week 18, the Chiefs played those same Raiders and won 31 to 13.

Food for thought...

[TSonn]

I don't like talking about the super bowl when KC still has to face an up and coming Jags team with a successful head coach and then one of the two elite teams in the Bills and Bengals. Plenty of time to discuss during the 2 week break between AFCC and SB.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I don't like talking about the super bowl when KC still has to face an up and coming Jags team with a successful head coach and then one of the two elite teams in the Bills and Bengals. Plenty of time to discuss during the 2 week break between AFCC and SB.

It's kind of putting the cart before the horse.

I'm quite confident they can handle the Jags. Not 100%, because anything could happen.

The game reminds me of 2020 in the 2nd round vs the Browns. Chiefs were a much better team, but it almost went sideways.

[Chris P]

My newest Mahomes pickup, love the look of the Obsidian Flood Parallels. Numbered to 16

[MyckKabongo]

* Must read article for Mahomies: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/1...tent-greatness

* I also think we should hold off on discussing the 49ers. Quite frankly, they face a much tougher test than the Chiefs do this week. Great team, but probably being overrated a tad right now by the public and media. I'm always wary when popular sentiment tilts so heavily to one outcome when there is a lot of strong data/evidence for others.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* Must read article for Mahomies: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/1...tent-greatness

* I also think we should hold off on discussing the 49ers. Quite frankly, they face a much tougher test than the Chiefs do this week. Great team, but probably being overrated a tad right now by the public and media. I'm always wary when popular sentiment tilts so heavily to one outcome when there is a lot of strong data/evidence for others.

People overlook one of the huge obstacles with the chiefs…. Which bizarrely enough is one of its strengths. Coach Andy Reid has taken the chiefs to 4 home AFC championship games…….. they lost 2, got obliterated in a Super Bowl….. and it took Mahomes playing huge in a come from behind thriller to eek out just the 1……. Not to mention he took the eagles to 5 NFC finals……. Played in just 1 Super Bowl there and didn’t win.

9 championship games for Reid, 1 Super Bowl where Mahomes came back to save his embarrassment yet again. Andy is elite preparation going into a game, but the best teams always seem to outcoach the preparation after the initial blows are thrown. Luckily for the Chiefs Shanahan may not make it or if he does potentially have Ptsd from last time. The Bengals will be a problem, Chiefs fans know they own the Bills when it matters……. But whatever way it falls, the Chiefs will likely have to beat two outstanding teams to win….. it’s going to be a lot of pressure on them once again.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

People overlook one of the huge obstacles with the chiefs…. Which bizarrely enough is one of its strengths. Coach Andy Reid has taken the chiefs to 4 home AFC championship games…….. they lost 2, got obliterated in a Super Bowl….. and it took Mahomes playing huge in a come from behind thriller to eek out just the 1……. Not to mention he took the eagles to 5 NFC finals……. Played in just 1 Super Bowl there and didn’t win.

9 championship games for Reid, 1 Super Bowl where Mahomes came back to save his embarrassment yet again. Andy is elite preparation going into a game, but the best teams always seem to outcoach the preparation after the initial blows are thrown. Luckily for the Chiefs Shanahan may not make it or if he does potentially have Ptsd from last time. The Bengals will be a problem, Chiefs fans know they own the Bills when it matters……. But whatever way it falls, the Chiefs will likely have to beat two outstanding teams to win….. it’s going to be a lot of pressure on them once again.

A couple things:

-Chiefs never win a Super Bowl unless Mahomes does amazing things. He's the #1 reason they get there, so it only make sense he needs to be the best player on the field for them to win.

-Bengals will go as far as their offensive line will take them. I don't see them winning this week vs Buffalo down 3 starting offensive linemen. And if they do, it would have to be because of a Josh Allen turnover meltdown. If that somehow happens, the Bengals would need their oline to get healthy very quickly in time for the Chiefs. Last matchup, the Chiefs were the ones who came in banged up, down Joe Thuney and Kadarius Toney, while the Bengals were without Mixon (which might have been a blessing with how Perine played). Down 3 starting olinemen from that game would just be too much to overcome if the Chiefs can stay healthy.

-Now, if they play the Bills, you're back to the situation you mentioned where it'll be a shootout that probably comes down to a couple key plays. The Bills pass defense is banged up, but there's nothing that makes me thing the Chiefs can suddenly stop the Bills offense.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

Definitely true.

What remaining NFC team would give up the least amount of points to the Chiefs? 49ers

What remaining NFC team would score the most points against the Chiefs? 49ers

Definitely betting odds should favor a Chiefs-9ers superbowl rematch.

Offense:
The Eagles 28.1 and Cowboys 27.5 points per game, are both ahead of the 49ers.

The Eagles with 389.1 yards per game, are ahead of the 49ers as well.

Defense:
The 49ers have allowed 300.6 yards per game during the season. The Eagles have allowed 301.5. They were #1 and 2 in the league.

The 49ers have allowed 16.3 points per game. The Cowboys 20.1. Both were top 5 in the league.

I get that the Cowboys like to choke right around now. But why have the 49ers in front of the Eagles? The odds makers pretty much have the 49ers and the Eagles at 1A & 1B

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by tjforce

A couple things:

-Chiefs never win a Super Bowl unless Mahomes does amazing things. He's the #1 reason they get there, so it only make sense he needs to be the best player on the field for them to win.

-Bengals will go as far as their offensive line will take them. I don't see them winning this week vs Buffalo down 3 starting offensive linemen. And if they do, it would have to be because of a Josh Allen turnover meltdown. If that somehow happens, the Bengals would need their oline to get healthy very quickly in time for the Chiefs. Last matchup, the Chiefs were the ones who came in banged up, down Joe Thuney and Kadarius Toney, while the Bengals were without Mixon (which might have been a blessing with how Perine played). Down 3 starting olinemen from that game would just be too much to overcome if the Chiefs can stay healthy.

-Now, if they play the Bills, you're back to the situation you mentioned where it'll be a shootout that probably comes down to a couple key plays. The Bills pass defense is banged up, but there's nothing that makes me thing the Chiefs can suddenly stop the Bills offense.

Great players aren't always forced to play great or make up 2 touchdowns in the 4th quarter of a SB...... "TEAMS" gel and get hot.... it's not usually 1 guy getting red hot at qb and destroying everyone.... unless you are Joe Flaaco (which is so weird to say)

But Brady was less than good for entire post seasons...... Manning wasn't great in either of his SB's.................. Ben was clutch in moments but overall his playoff numbers aren't eye popping...... Eli made the playoffs like 5 times in 15 years and has 2 rings due to a few ridiculous throws and some luck.

These things rarely play out like anyone expects......... but it is for sure that it'll take a team effort and gelling at the right time to win this SB for whoever does. Between the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, 49ers, Eagles..... there are a LOT of great teams this particular year.

But I stand by the comment, a coach who generally hasn't won the biggest games given a lot of opportunities...... it doesn't help to have added pressure of always being the favorite because you have Mahomes. I truly do think there is a TON of pressure on them to win. If they can play loose through it and find a way then great on them... but it's hard to play with that target all the time.

[kcroyalsfan8515]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

Great players aren't always forced to play great or make up 2 touchdowns in the 4th quarter of a SB...... "TEAMS" gel and get hot.... it's not usually 1 guy getting red hot at qb and destroying everyone.... unless you are Joe Flaaco (which is so weird to say)

But Brady was less than good for entire post seasons...... Manning wasn't great in either of his SB's.................. Ben was clutch in moments but overall his playoff numbers aren't eye popping...... Eli made the playoffs like 5 times in 15 years and has 2 rings due to a few ridiculous throws and some luck.

These things rarely play out like anyone expects......... but it is for sure that it'll take a team effort and gelling at the right time to win this SB for whoever does. Between the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, 49ers, Eagles..... there are a LOT of great teams this particular year.

But I stand by the comment, a coach who generally hasn't won the biggest games given a lot of opportunities...... it doesn't help to have added pressure of always being the favorite because you have Mahomes. I truly do think there is a TON of pressure on them to win. If they can play loose through it and find a way then great on them... but it's hard to play with that target all the time.

I agree that most Chiefs fans I know (STH for 10 plus years).. Andy Reid is our biggest concern... Andy can make some bizarre decisions considering who his QB is and doesn't seem to value position like some of these younger coaches (Zak Taylor) seem to be able to do. Elite play designer and usually game planner but just average in game management. Hoping he is on his game this postseason.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by kcroyalsfan8515

I agree that most Chiefs fans I know (STH for 10 plus years).. Andy Reid is our biggest concern... Andy can make some bizarre decisions considering who his QB is and doesn't seem to value position like some of these younger coaches (Zak Taylor) seem to be able to do. Elite play designer and usually game planner but just average in game management. Hoping he is on his game this postseason.

I've always been a believer of "glue" guys...... it's so bizarre.... but for whatever reason they just elevate other people's play and things click

Tyrann Mathieu was that guy in my mind for the Chiefs in 19....... He made a bad defense much better and just had a different attitude, it made everyone else play better and bigger in big moments..... they got down in so many games but stayed strong

Bob Sanders for the Colts when healthy, especially in 06.... he made that defense great instead of bad when he was healthy.... it was just nuts

I know we are moving from the "defense wins championships" mindset into the offensive era...... but in my mind it's still a defensive league for the most part.... what defense has that/those glue guys that you just don't want to play against in the big moments. I feel like SF has more than one and the Bengals just tighten up so well in big moments.

People keep putting this on Mahomes....... but it's a team effort. I hate how QB's get judged now days like Aaron Rodgers was the reason Green Bay missed a field goal or had a blocked punt returned for a TD... (10 points) in a game where 23 were scored............. or Mahomes "lost" a super bowl to Brady when it was clear as day nobody was beating Tampa that night regardless of anything.

If anything it's on the coaches and gm's when you have some talent and can't fill out the roster properly.... the majority of great players play well in big games (minus some stinkers here and there).... but the isolated blame is laughable