2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 1168

spuds1961 · 07-24-2020, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

(The following is based on my opinion both that Trump is a lout and that Trump haters who think he's going to stage some kind of coup if he loses are genuine idiots.)

Prediction: If Trump loses in November, one of the final "scandals" of the Trump presidency will be Trump and Melania leaving the White House and relocating to Trump Tower or Mar-A-Lago in either late November or early December.

Provided that we don't see some weirdly close result that ends up being challenged ala Bush/Gore in 2000, I don't think Trump will have any interest in wasting his time as a lame duck president.

I feel trump wants to lose as he has done nothing positive throughout the whole covid pandemic and riots. You would think he could have moved a lot faster to stop Minnesota, Seattle, and Portland from becoming Third World War zones. He claims to have gotten rid of Isis but he can’t do nothing to stop antifa which is happening in his own country.

budd2222 · 07-24-2020, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

(The following is based on my opinion both that Trump is a lout and that Trump haters who think he's going to stage some kind of coup if he loses are genuine idiots.)

Prediction: If Trump loses in November, one of the final "scandals" of the Trump presidency will be Trump and Melania leaving the White House and relocating to Trump Tower or Mar-A-Lago in either late November or early December.

Provided that we don't see some weirdly close result that ends up being challenged ala Bush/Gore in 2000, I don't think Trump will have any interest in wasting his time as a lame duck president.

I could see Trump getting Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from signing Presidential Pardons and Executive Orders that will help out his interests down the line.

cnewby · 07-24-2020, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

We were discussing Fauci so yeah random. Trump must be on your mind all the time. You stop picking on your boi toi Snoobs

Hes a big fan. Glad to see I'm still not paying rent though!

Jgil316 · 07-24-2020, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by budd2222

I could see Trump getting Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from signing Presidential Pardons and Executive Orders that will help out his interests down the line.

The last pardon he signs - while running out the door will be his own......

Jgil316 · 07-24-2020, 07:32 AM

Cuomo had 6,500 covid deaths in long term care facilities

DeSantis has approx 2,000 deaths in long term care facilities (so far)

cnewby · 07-24-2020, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

Cuomo had 6,500 covid deaths in long term care facilities

DeSantis has approx 2,000 deaths in long term care facilities (so far)

why "so far" only for the R Governor?

Jgil316 · 07-24-2020, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

why "so far" only for the R Governor?

Ahhh - the "spin"

Well, NY had 950 positives yesterday

Florida had 10,200 positives yesterday

Florida is going to work on a "plan" for long term care facilities - now

To think that Florida is out of the woods on this is wishful thinking

cnewby · 07-24-2020, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

Ahhh - the "spin"

Well, NY had 950 positives yesterday

Florida had 10,200 positives yesterday

Florida is going to work on a "plan" for long term care facilities - now

To think that Florida is out of the woods on this is wishful thinking

Cases do not equal deaths. Don't forget that.

Just want to make sure we know where the goalposts are starting at.

NeedChapmans · 07-24-2020, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

Cuomo had 6,500 covid deaths in long term care facilities

DeSantis has approx 2,000 deaths in long term care facilities (so far)

Not to mention your Cuomo # is way off.

Way to report the news.

Jgil316 · 07-24-2020, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

Cases do not equal deaths. Don't forget that.

Just want to make sure we know where the goalposts are starting at.

I absolutely know where the goal posts are - I haven't tried to move them once

You are correct - cases don't equal deaths... cases are a lagging indicator

I find it ironic that Florida is now dealing with an issue that - yet again - a GOP Governor could have avoided only if they learned from their peers in other states. Oh, what could have been.......

Jgil316 · 07-24-2020, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Not to mention your Cuomo # is way off.

Way to report the news.

Taken from CDC - so tell me, what is the real number??

cnewby · 07-24-2020, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

I absolutely know where the goal posts are - I haven't tried to move them once

You are correct - cases don't equal deaths... cases are a lagging indicator

I find it ironic that Florida is now dealing with an issue that - yet again - a GOP Governor could have avoided only if they learned from their peers in other states. Oh, what could have been.......

Your spin is almost as bad as your use of an ellipsis.

NeedChapmans · 07-24-2020, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

Taken from CDC - so tell me, what is the real number??

Estimates are between 13,000 and 14,000.

NY is the only state the in the country that doesn't count LTC deaths that occur outside the facility. So if a member has to go to the hospital, then passes away, that is NOT a long term care facility death in the eyes of the state.

In the other 49 states, it doesn't matter where you die. But not in NY. Cuomo and the Health Department changed the counting rules in April when it was clear they had a problem on their hands.

Well done, yet again.

Jgil316 · 07-24-2020, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

Your spin is almost as bad as your use of an ellipsis.

Please explain my spin

cnewby · 07-24-2020, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

Please explain my spin

Was just posted for you.

NeedChapmans · 07-24-2020, 07:51 AM

"The actual figure is much higher since the state deliberately diluted the numbers by not recording fatalities as being nursing home related if the individual contracted the virus in the nursing home, yet died at the hospital."

NeedChapmans · 07-24-2020, 07:55 AM

That's one way to create space in nursing homes ...

"But after looking at both state and federal data, Bill Hammond of The Empire Center thinks there is reason to believe the death toll is higher.

For starters, state government has acknowledged it is only reporting deaths of resident who die at a nursing home. 2 On Your Side reported in May, that Kaleida hospitals had dozens of nursing home residents who died in its hospitals after they were transferred.

Hammond called that accounting of fatalities “dubious.” More compelling for him was that he discovered a spike in the vacancy rate for nursing home beds in the state.

After hovering around 8 percent for two-plus year, the vacancy rate shot up over 20 percent as the pandemic exploded in the state in April and May.

Based on that data, Hammond says, “In a population of about 100,000 residents, that translates to a decline of about 13,000 residents. The state’s official count of deaths due to coronavirus is 6,200, so that leaves a lot of people unaccounted for.”

Jgil316 · 07-24-2020, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Estimates are between 13,000 and 14,000.

NY is the only state the in the country that doesn't count LTC deaths that occur outside the facility. So if a member has to go to the hospital, then passes away, that is NOT a long term care facility death in the eyes of the state.

In the other 49 states, it doesn't matter where you die. But not in NY. Cuomo and the Health Department changed the counting rules in April when it was clear they had a problem on their hands.

Well done, yet again.

Hmm - estimates....

Come on - you have railed that the numbers being reported, overall are too high and are being inflated, cases are being reported as covid that shouldn't be and now you want to use that argument (the very one you railed against) to paint a picture of Cuomo incompetent (I don't disagree) so you can estimate the number of deaths..........

Sweet baby Jesus

NeedChapmans · 07-24-2020, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

Hmm - estimates....

Come on - you have railed that the numbers being reported, overall are too high and are being inflated, cases are being reported as covid that shouldn't be and now you want to use that argument (the very one you railed against) to paint a picture of Cuomo incompetent (I don't disagree) so you can estimate the number of deaths..........

Sweet baby Jesus

Just look above you. 6,800 nursing home patients went missing. Maybe they all took a cruise together; out on the black jack tables right now!

cnewby · 07-24-2020, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Just look above you. 6,800 nursing home patients went missing. Maybe they all took a cruise together; out on the black jack tables right now!

There is no chance you get her to take off her blinders.

NeedChapmans · 07-24-2020, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

There is no chance you get her to take off her blinders.

She can wear them as long as she wants now.

Jgil316 · 07-24-2020, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Just look above you. 6,800 nursing home patients went missing. Maybe they all took a cruise together; out on the black jack tables right now!

So - you reference MSM (you have railed against them as well) and now you want to say they are 100% accurate and correct?

Until they report on something you don't like and them - MSM = bad

Were the numbers of patients counted as dead?

or does it make you feel better or does it make the narrative that Cuomo is a liar and killer more appealing to people?

Jgil316 · 07-24-2020, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

She can wear them as long as she wants now.

So - calling me a "She" is that supposed to be a slam or demeaning??

Wow - mature gentleman - real mature

DegaBama · 07-24-2020, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jgil316

Ahhh - the "spin"

Well, NY had 950 positives yesterday

Florida had 10,200 positives yesterday

Florida is going to work on a "plan" for long term care facilities - now

To think that Florida is out of the woods on this is wishful thinking

Florida has had a plan in place.

cnewby · 07-24-2020, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

Florida has had a plan in place.

You forgot to put "plan" in parenthesis, makes the spin work better.

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NeedChapmans Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 31,800 ProspectCincy NeedChapmans	"The actual figure is much higher since the state deliberately diluted the numbers by not recording fatalities as being nursing home related if the individual contracted the virus in the nursing home, yet died at the hospital." __________________ It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits.

07-24-2020, 07:55 AM	#29192
NeedChapmans Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 31,800 ProspectCincy NeedChapmans	That's one way to create space in nursing homes ... "But after looking at both state and federal data, Bill Hammond of The Empire Center thinks there is reason to believe the death toll is higher. For starters, state government has acknowledged it is only reporting deaths of resident who die at a nursing home. 2 On Your Side reported in May, that Kaleida hospitals had dozens of nursing home residents who died in its hospitals after they were transferred. Hammond called that accounting of fatalities “dubious.” More compelling for him was that he discovered a spike in the vacancy rate for nursing home beds in the state. After hovering around 8 percent for two-plus year, the vacancy rate shot up over 20 percent as the pandemic exploded in the state in April and May. Based on that data, Hammond says, “In a population of about 100,000 residents, that translates to a decline of about 13,000 residents. The state’s official count of deaths due to coronavirus is 6,200, so that leaves a lot of people unaccounted for.” __________________ It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits.