**The Perennial JUAN SOTO Thread!** - Page 1166

KhalDrogo · 08-01-2023, 10:23 PM

Juan Solo is back. Would be great to see him catch fire down the stretch like he did in 2021. Padres need it.

ThoseBackPages · 08-01-2023, 10:37 PM

padres are cooked

Cards and 401K · 08-01-2023, 10:39 PM

I’d say you have great eye for Soto cards!! Congrats kiddk!

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JohnnyHatesJazz · 08-01-2023, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kiddkicks

HR

Glad to have picked these up at the National

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Surprised TBP didn't chime in on this.

CAN'T HIDE MONEY!!!!

JohnnyHatesJazz · 08-01-2023, 10:49 PM

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I mean, he's 8th in WAR in the NL entering tonight's game, and I believe is now 4th in OPS.

His slugging is just barely outside the top 10. You don't get to top 5 in OPS just because you walk a lot, you need to hit for some pop too.

That said, the way he's swinging the bat, he could make a jump and possibly get into top 5 voting. Possibly. Depends how these last 2 months go. That said, people wrote him dead after April and from May-July, he's been an elite bat again.

I said it earlier, but his home/road splits are really bad. I want to see him in a better hitter's park

I wonder how many times he's batted in the 2nd spot at home this year. He's just not a 2nd in the lineup guy and his career at that spot in the order backs it up. He should always be batting 3rd.

towerymt · 08-01-2023, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

Just got more $$$.

soey10 · 08-02-2023, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kiddkicks

HR

Glad to have picked these up at the National

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Wow! I would have been overjoyed to land one of those. I wish k was rich, lol. Sweet pickups.

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Rabs · 08-02-2023, 06:26 AM

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theshowandme · 08-02-2023, 06:41 AM

I thought he was dead?

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Bambino22 · 08-02-2023, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kiddkicks

HR

Glad to have picked these up at the National

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Did you buy them separately or as a group?

Love the pick ups!

SupermanBrandon · 08-02-2023, 07:24 AM

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I thought he was dead?

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You’re thinking of the entire hobby. It’s been completely wiped out. Dead on arrival. Gone!

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seanbros55 · 08-02-2023, 08:56 AM

I wish he would play like this for 6 months in a row.

SUCH a great hitter when he’s locked in.

HarryLime · 08-02-2023, 09:08 AM

He's on pace for 290 total bases. His previous high was 297 in 2019.

On pace for a career high in walks.

On pace to surpass 100 RBIs for only the second time in his career.

On pace to (just about) tie his career high in home runs (on pace for 33, high is 34).

On pace for a career high in 2B.

On pace for .275 AVG (career AVG is .285).

But five weeks.....

Arthur

MyckKabongo · 08-02-2023, 10:07 AM

Million dollar question is if/when he restores his former status as a top 3 hobby guy. It certainly seems there for the taking with Trout aging and both Trout and Judge being injury prone.

If he finishes the year strong I expect hype would grow all offseason about him as the smart money buy.

atk825 · 08-02-2023, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Million dollar question is if/when he restores his former status as a top 3 hobby guy. It certainly seems there for the taking with Trout aging and both Trout and Judge being injury prone.

If he finishes the year strong I expect hype would grow all offseason about him as the smart money buy.

It's wild to me that Mookie isn't there. But yah, in regard to Soto, it's crazy he's fallen so much given how team performance has never mattered for Trout or Ohtani and that his team performances have generally been pretty awesome.

towerymt · 08-02-2023, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Million dollar question is if/when he restores his former status as a top 3 hobby guy. It certainly seems there for the taking with Trout aging and both Trout and Judge being injury prone.

If he finishes the year strong I expect hype would grow all offseason about him as the smart money buy.

It seems unlikely to happen while in SD.

2020 pace over ~600PAs could maybe move the hobby needle.

Pinstripes are the way.

Or a JD replacement in LA, perhaps.

atk825 · 08-02-2023, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryLime

He's on pace for 290 total bases. His previous high was 297 in 2019.

On pace for a career high in walks.

On pace to surpass 100 RBIs for only the second time in his career.

On pace to (just about) tie his career high in home runs (on pace for 33, high is 34).

On pace for a career high in 2B.

On pace for .275 AVG (career AVG is .285).

But five weeks.....

Arthur

He's also less than two years older than Corbin Carroll and with the pace he's on this year is slated to be at 30 WAR before he turns 25. This isn't normal superstar stuff we are seeing. It's generational.

kiddkicks · 08-02-2023, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

Did you buy them separately or as a group?

Love the pick ups!

All separately. Solid 5 days of hustling and checking out every table repeatedly

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oddstuff · 08-02-2023, 12:36 PM

He's nearly at his career averages for this season...but the Ted Williams comparison along with the .351 in shorten 2020 covid season/ .313 avg 2021 season set the bar/expectation that year in, year out, he would be a .300+ / .330 batter. Last season and this season sub .300 avg seasons kinda put him on the back burner in terms of hobby love. His career WAR is indeed great for his young age, but the baked in expectation is that he would continue to trend upwards instead of taking two steps back last/this season. If he can get hot rest of this season and then have an near MVP season next year, interest in his cards will rise again.

cardozo · 08-02-2023, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by atk825

He's also less than two years older than Corbin Carroll and with the pace he's on this year is slated to be at 30 WAR before he turns 25. This isn't normal superstar stuff we are seeing. It's generational.

Define generational?

SupermanBrandon · 08-02-2023, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cardozo

Define generational?

relating to a particular generation, or to the relationship between particular generations

atk825 · 08-02-2023, 01:06 PM

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Define generational?

Adjusted Batting Wins All-Time, Up to and including Age 24 season:

Ty Cobb 33.6
Mike Trout 29.7
Ted Williams 29.2
Mickey Mantle 26.9
Jimmie Foxx 25.4
Mel Ott 24.8
Juan Soto 23.0
Albert Pujols 22.7
Ken Griffey 20.7
Eddie Mathews 20.5

Seems like a pretty generational list to me. Each and every one of those players has either had or will have grandparents telling their grandkids about how they saw them play.

Every single person with an OBP as high as his through his age 24 season is in the HOF except for John McGraw and every single person on that list has been retired for at least 60 years. He's an incredibly special player.

SupermanBrandon · 08-02-2023, 01:07 PM

Can you have multiple generational guys in the same "generation"?

atk825 · 08-02-2023, 01:11 PM

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Can you have multiple generational guys in the same "generation"?

Yes, of course you can. Also, Trout and Soto are separated in age by well more than the average length of an MLB career.

SupermanBrandon · 08-02-2023, 01:12 PM

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Yes, of course you can.

Cool. Can you have zero generational talents in a generation? What if its a subpar generation but a player is just better than those particular guys?

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HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	He's on pace for 290 total bases. His previous high was 297 in 2019. On pace for a career high in walks. On pace to surpass 100 RBIs for only the second time in his career. On pace to (just about) tie his career high in home runs (on pace for 33, high is 34). On pace for a career high in 2B. On pace for .275 AVG (career AVG is .285). But five weeks..... Arthur __________________ I wish these cards would scan themselves.

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seanbros55 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: From the 508 to the 707 Posts: 5,448	I wish he would play like this for 6 months in a row. SUCH a great hitter when he’s locked in.

08-02-2023, 10:07 AM	#29139
MyckKabongo Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,777 MyckKabongo	Million dollar question is if/when he restores his former status as a top 3 hobby guy. It certainly seems there for the taking with Trout aging and both Trout and Judge being injury prone. If he finishes the year strong I expect hype would grow all offseason about him as the smart money buy.

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oddstuff Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: CA Posts: 5,288	He's nearly at his career averages for this season...but the Ted Williams comparison along with the .351 in shorten 2020 covid season/ .313 avg 2021 season set the bar/expectation that year in, year out, he would be a .300+ / .330 batter. Last season and this season sub .300 avg seasons kinda put him on the back burner in terms of hobby love. His career WAR is indeed great for his young age, but the baked in expectation is that he would continue to trend upwards instead of taking two steps back last/this season. If he can get hot rest of this season and then have an near MVP season next year, interest in his cards will rise again.

08-02-2023, 01:07 PM	#29148
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	Can you have multiple generational guys in the same "generation"?