2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

The time I laugh the most is when I read the gold posted in this thread

You didn’t answer the question though. During that video did you smile or laugh at all?

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

The payroll tax cut becomes more and more beneficial to those who make more and more money.

It will not help those who probably need it the most.

To me the problem would be programs that those very people would benefit from would have to be cut from lack of funds. Better for a small tax raise to the rich get ride of many deductions and raise the min. wage.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Honest question. Does it make any of you all feel better going back and forth Like this knowing neither side will ever change their mind? I truly don’t understand what any of this is supposed to accomplish. And I’m not just talking about this lone thread. I’m talking Twitter, Facebook and all of the rest. It’s just so tiresome and repetitive.

It’s people way of venting I assume. It makes them feel like they are winning something I guess. It’s just round and round with nothing accomplished.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

To what end though? It’s all so useless.

There is no end and never will be an end.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by budd2222

To me the problem would be programs that those very people would benefit from would have to be cut from lack of funds. Better for a small tax raise to the rich get ride of many deductions and raise the min. wage.

Raise the minimum wage so that the small business owner - who is already struggling - has to lay someone off now that his wage expense has gone up?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

You’re correct. I’ve posted numerous discussions amongst black intellectuals that dispel a lot of the garbage being perpetuated by mainstream media that just gets lapped up by those who are desperate to support a cause... any cause. It largely goes ignored because it strips away the feel good feeling MSM consumers get when they parrot “black lives matter” and other silly sayings that don’t achieve anything. There are real, nuanced discussions to be had about racial progress, but none of it is happening in the mainstream media or the primary public discourse.

Post your sources. I’ve been desperate to consume something of substance that advocates for BLM. Haven’t found it. I’d be happy to post mine... FBI statistics, black intellectuals who are professors at Ivy League schools, blacks who have written books on race, etc. I try harder than the dipsh**s that keep trying to shame everyone into a corner for not chugging koolaid, but since my conclusions are vastly different, they’re ignored at best and labeled as racist at worst. And that’s fine. Some of us need to have a spine to keep this thing afloat. Can’t let the crazies run the asylum.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...omplex/304669/

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p18_sum.pdf

The imprisonment rate of black
males in 2018 was 5.8 times that of white males

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

To what end though? It’s all so useless.

Entertainment for me. Kind of like the comics section of the newspaper.
It also helps me gauge just how crazy the other side is.
lol

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Entertainment for me. Kind of like the comics section of the newspaper.
It also helps me gauge just how crazy the other side is.
lol

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Same. It confirms that some people really do think that way.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

TB12 got his 1 million PPP loan though.

Gotta make sure he can keep pumping out that snake oil.

I’m not surprised. I know some small business owners who got more than they needed and didn’t know what to do with it all since they were able to get back to work and were still receiving funding, while others got far less than they needed. And some got none if they didn’t get the paperwork in quickly enough.

The whole thing is a mess.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Having had a number of conversations with him, what he means when he says that is that anyone that won’t listen to his side is closed minded.

Whether he just takes the contrarian viewpoint to the majority of what is said here or he truly believes what he says 1000%, I’m not sure. But I can tell you for certain what he said and what he actually means aren’t the same.

I take no issue with you. The issue seems to arise when I dare to point out the flawed logic in some of your thinking. It's a common human response to become defensive when ones ideas are challenged.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...t-so-defensive

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Raise the minimum wage so that the small business owner - who is already struggling - has to lay someone off now that his wage expense has gone up?

Some people call it t trickle up. Do the people you employ have the funds to buy your product? The more money money put in the hands of the worker the stronger the market. The general rule is 30% of your earning should go to housing. Even at 30% the adv. worker is hard pressed to find disposable income.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by budd2222

Some people call it t trickle up. Do the people you employ have the funds to buy your product? The more money money put in the hands of the worker the stronger the market. The general rule is 30% of your earning should go to housing. Even at 30% the adv. worker is hard pressed to find disposable income.

Except that a minimum wage increase doesn't do those workers any good if the increase forces layoffs.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...omplex/304669/

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p18_sum.pdf

The imprisonment rate of black
males in 2018 was 5.8 times that of white males

The rate of black imprisonments has dropped the most in that time. Nice! Maybe people are actually learning that breaking the law isn’t the best way to go about life? I hope all rates continue to drop even more. Would be nice if parents/families did a better job as well. Let’s get these kids on the best paths as possible as young as possible.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I’m not surprised. I know some small business owners who got more than they needed and didn’t know what to do with it all since they were able to get back to work and were still receiving funding, while others got far less than they needed. And some got none if they didn’t get the paperwork in quickly enough.

The whole thing is a mess.

Like a company I know that gave multiple $/hr raises to all hourly staff for two months to use the money and then reduced the rate back to "normal" after?

[tpeichel34]

Was Trump on the Lolita Express twenty-six times? Maxwell tried to get close to elites to blackmail them. Of course she has pictures with the most famous New Yorker. Now if Trump was on Epstein Island, that changes everything. Do you have anything on that?

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Except that a minimum wage increase doesn't do those workers any good if the increase forces layoffs.

The more money in the hands of wage earners will increase spending. Automation would be a greater threat to jobs but we are taking about low entry jobs. The ones that HS, College, and the part time jobs that retired or disabled gravitate to.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

Was Trump on the Lolita Express twenty-six times? Maxwell tried to get close to elites to blackmail them. Of course she has pictures with the most famous New Yorker. Now if Trump was on Epstein Island, that changes everything. Do you have anything on that?

I'm going to report you for quoting all those massive pics. Except for the 2 nipple ones.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by budd2222

The more money in the hands of wage earners will increase spending. Automation would be a greater threat to jobs but we are taking about low entry jobs. The ones that HS, College, and the part time jobs that retired or disabled gravitate to.

But coach is correct. If you just bump the minimum wage, more people will remained unemployed and you haven't solved the problem.

It's the same idea that cutting payroll tax. Payroll taxes have no effect on the unemployed and you haven't solved the problem.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I’m not surprised. I know some small business owners who got more than they needed and didn’t know what to do with it all since they were able to get back to work and were still receiving funding, while others got far less than they needed. And some got none if they didn’t get the paperwork in quickly enough.

The whole thing is a mess.

My wife does financial planning and management for small businesses so she handled the PPP loans for about 8 or 9 companies plus her company. It was a mess but she got all of them funded. At least 3 of the companies likely would have gone under without the funding.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'm going to report you for quoting all those massive pics. Except for the 2 nipple ones.

Shes got fantastic nips BTW.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I take no issue with you. The issue seems to arise when I dare to point out the flawed logic in some of your thinking. It's a common human response to become defensive when ones ideas are challenged.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...t-so-defensive

You haven’t pointed out any flawed logic. You have bias and assumptions that you bring heavy-handedly into your posts and refuse to acknowledge it.

It’s your thing. You take the contrarian view, complain about everyone being closed minded and then start to play the victim. Lots of “whatabouts” and other deflections and now you are adding a layer of passive aggressiveness on top.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

The rate of black imprisonments has dropped the most in that time. Nice! Maybe people are actually learning that breaking the law isn’t the best way to go about life? I hope all rates continue to drop even more. Would be nice if parents/families did a better job as well. Let’s get these kids on the best paths as possible as young as possible.

Maybe all these protests are beginning to have an effect on the legal system.

Black male incarceration rates are only 5.8x white male rates.

WHAT A VICTORY! Way to go America.
The land of the free and we have 6x the incarceration rate of China....

Maybe we should stop targeting and locking black men up at alarming rates for nonviolent drug offenses (an issue having to do with poverty) and instead put those resources toward education & community building so as to not perpetuate the school the school-to-prison pipeline.

http://www.justicepolicy.org/news/8775

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Maybe all these protests are beginning to have an effect on the legal system.

In like 2 months, when people can't really go out anyway?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You haven’t pointed out any flawed logic. You have bias and assumptions that you bring heavy-handedly into your posts and refuse to acknowledge it.

It’s your thing. You take the contrarian view, complain about everyone being closed minded and then start to play the victim. Lots of “whatabouts” and other deflections and now you are adding a layer of passive aggressiveness on top.

Contrarian to people who are blind to systemic racism? How horrible.

Contrarian to people who refuse to read? How terrible.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by rman112

In like 2 months, when people can't really go out anyway?

Circa 2013. And this wasn't the first time.