PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[palmetto7]

Work done by Corndog is stunning. Thank you! What can PSA say? Well we suck and our entire business model is a joke?

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[pspa123]

Originally Posted by palmetto7

Work done by Corndog is stunning. Thank you! What can PSA say? Well we suck and our entire business model is a joke?

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They will, IMO, attempt to minimize it by pretending only specifically outed cards were bad, placing it in a misleading context by comparing it to all the cards they have graded, and claiming they were defrauded by a single bad actor. Oh wait, they've already done that pretty much.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #27619836

1953 Parkhurst Jean Beliveau RC #27

Value gain of $8,341.87

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-8 on December 18, 2016 for $8,313.13. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1399668
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8.5 for $16,655.00 on March 25, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1934581

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares show the two corners mentioned in the PSA-8 listing description as having "very light touches to the right two corners".

[JrFinest]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Pretty sure that's going only to people who bought a called out card or half the forum would've gotten an email. We shall see.

I'm convinced their doing as little as possible. PWCC knows their to blame for all of this. I doubt law enforcement has been brought in ,and thousands of altered card buyers haven't been contacted. The email is probably only going out to buyers that have emailed them about it.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #40814427

1953 Topps Ted Lepcio #18

Value gain of $762.85

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-8 on March 09, 2015 for $136.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1077077
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $898.85 on July 09, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1688315

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares show the stain removed from the back that created a grade bump.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #27148685

1909 E102 Set Of 25 Hans Lobert - POP 1 - none graded higher

Value gain of $313.50

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-2 on February 04, 2015 for $123.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1064212
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $437.00 on May 07, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1484480

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares show the large scale stain removed from the back.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #27148683

1900 Cope Golfers Tom Morris #2

Value gain of $351.76

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-2 on Jul 28, 2016 for $406.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1316003
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-4 for $757.76 on May 23, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1494648

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares show the stains removed from the front.

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by JrFinest

I'm convinced their doing as little as possible. PWCC knows their to blame for all of this. I doubt law enforcement has been brought in ,and thousands of altered card buyers haven't been contacted. The email is probably only going out to buyers that have emailed them about it.

They contacted someone who had purchased a James Harden card from the list of 93 cards in the basketball forum. I'm pretty sure that user hadn't reached out to them about it.

[Doublexthebeast]

Corndog- impressive work on the Jean Beliveau RC’s. I don’t think I could ever buy one of those after seeing the quantity of them that have been altered.

[superdan49]

New Forbes article on sports card fraud:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rayglie...oes-on-and-on/

Question: Who was the "sports card dealer banned from a collectible site and... subject to a criminal probe for fraud" and what was that collectible site he was banned from? I must have missed something.

[IronMan2632]

sigh ... more Moser Molestations

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by superdan49

New Forbes article on sports card fraud:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rayglie...oes-on-and-on/

Question: Who was the "sports card dealer banned from a collectible site and... subject to a criminal probe for fraud" and what was that collectible site he was banned from? I must have missed something.

I find it hilarious that this was not written by David Seideman. He must have been too busy getting fitted for his PWCC cheerleader outfit.

[1955parkies]

Thank you so much to Corndog for showing how clearly these cards are being altered. It takes a lot of work. Much appreciated.

As a vintage hockey collector, I am concerned about buying Parkhurst cards. I know that size dimensions are a good place to start, as is rejecting chemically bleached cards that leaves 70 year old cardboard bright white, but this recoloring stuff has me worried. Until the card is in hand, there would be no way to tell from a scan.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by superdan49

New Forbes article on sports card fraud:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rayglie...oes-on-and-on/

Question: Who was the "sports card dealer banned from a collectible site and... subject to a criminal probe for fraud" and what was that collectible site he was banned from? I must have missed something.

I am guessing Gary, and from PSA.

[RickyFace]

Eh, some of these are "questionable" imo. From the previous page, I don't think those two George Blanda cards are the same card personally. Maybe they are. Doesn't take away from the fact that Moser is clearly altering cards and PWCC clearly knows they are selling altered cards, but people would have a very difficult time proving in court that some of these cards are the same ones. That's why I doubt this goes anywhere in the criminal realm. Someone would have to testify that they were aware of the arrangement or everyone is just going to "play the victim" and this will blow over eventually.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I am guessing Gary, and from PSA.

That does make sense, but the Forbes author must have some inside info from either law enforcement or from PSA.

[mrdallas]

Originally Posted by RickyFace

Eh, some of these are "questionable" imo. From the previous page, I don't think those two George Blanda cards are the same card personally. Maybe they are. Doesn't take away from the fact that Moser is clearly altering cards and PWCC clearly knows they are selling altered cards, but people would have a very difficult time proving in court that some of these cards are the same ones. That's why I doubt this goes anywhere in the criminal realm. Someone would have to testify that they were aware of the arrangement or everyone is just going to "play the victim" and this will blow over eventually.

Look at the two bottom "spot" on the bottom that are circled. Those are spot on in the exact same place. Some of the circles I was trying to compare were hard to see. But there are 4 or five clear as day spots that make it pretty undeniable.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by superdan49

New Forbes article on sports card fraud:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rayglie...oes-on-and-on/

Question: Who was the "sports card dealer banned from a collectible site and... subject to a criminal probe for fraud" and what was that collectible site he was banned from? I must have missed something.

Good article. I somehow forgot about the Hauls of Shame site it referenced.

[NoleinJax]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Good article. I somehow forgot about the Hauls of Shame site it referenced.

Prime Minister Pete Niiiiiiice

[RickyFace]

Originally Posted by mrdallas

Look at the two bottom "spot" on the bottom that are circled. Those are spot on in the exact same place. Some of the circles I was trying to compare were hard to see. But there are 4 or five clear as day spots that make it pretty undeniable.

I looked at them good, and imo, I don't think they are the same card. There is a spot over his left shoulder on the graded one that's not there on the raw one. He would have also gone way out of his way to rough up the edges. Again, maybe I am wrong, but I wouldn't go to court arguing those are the same card.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by RickyFace

I looked at them good, and imo, I don't think they are the same card. There is a spot over his left shoulder on the graded one that's not there on the raw one. He would have also gone way out of his way to rough up the edges. Again, maybe I am wrong, but I wouldn't go to court arguing those are the same card.

You can't use black spots or white spots as the sole reference. They could be scanner bed debris or glares caused by the scanner glass or the plastic holder. Most of what is circled on the back is pulp fibers embedded in the paper. They are like a fingerprint and make each card a virtual one of a kind.

[Vintagecollect]

phew no new cards for a few hours, I think that was all of them guys

[corndog]

Here was a multi-card purchase in 2015 by Moser from PWCC:
1951 Bowman Low-Grd Partial Set (184) Ford Berra Rizzuto Williams, SGC (PWCC)

Yes, 184 1951 Bowman's...

Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1064951

[corndog]

PSA Cert #24182141

1954 Parkhurst Jean Beliveau #3

Value gain of approximately $1,000.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a KSA-6.5 on February 16, 2015 for $around $100.00 (comp value). PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1072514
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8 for $1,100.00 on August 02, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1319661

Note from the PWCC listing description: "Pack fresh with near perfect centering, sharp corners and impressive edges."

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares show obvious trimming of edges. Card has been cleaned and is now much whiter.

[mrdallas]

Originally Posted by corndog

You can't use black spots or white spots as the sole reference. They could be scanner bed debris or glares caused by the scanner glass or the plastic holder. Most of what is circled on the back is pulp fibers embedded in the paper. They are like a fingerprint and make each card a virtual one of a kind.

I probably didn't explain well enough in my post. But the "fibers' I pointed out on the back was what I was talking about. Top Left circle, bottom center and right circles are most defined