Aaron Judge

[jraarmy]

Originally Posted by larry25

THIS. F fwar.

FWar judge 8.8 cal 8.4

[JRX]

Originally Posted by jraarmy

FWar judge 8.8 cal 8.4

Which everyone knows, since they actually read the fangraphs glossary (jk nobody does), is that difference is meaningless. We see voters given mvps to other players because they want someone different all the time in other sports. I'm not saying Judge won't get it, but I think Cal has a strong shot plus he's on fire this month and I can see him getting to 63. Sea has 2 vs KC, 3 @Hou, then home for COL and LAD. Heck he could hit 6 in the 3 games vs the rockies lol

[JRX]

To put it another way, if Cal breaks the HR record as a switch hitting catcher, he's getting the MVP. Judge is having another all time year, but he's having a 9-10 fwar season, not a 11-12 fwar season and that's a big difference.

[jraarmy]

Originally Posted by JRX

Which everyone knows, since they actually read the fangraphs glossary (jk nobody does), is that difference is meaningless. We see voters given mvps to other players because they want someone different all the time in other sports. I'm not saying Judge won't get it, but I think Cal has a strong shot plus he's on fire this month and I can see him getting to 63. Sea has 2 vs KC, 3 @Hou, then home for COL and LAD. Heck he could hit 6 in the 3 games vs the rockies lol

That was my point everybody saying it’s not close is just plain silly.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by JRX

Look I know there's going to be a third finalist but its between Judge and Cal and I can see voters wanting to give it to someone else. If it was based purely on war we wouldn't even need a vote just make it automatic.

No disagreement, plus it's not a lock. Acuna had 8.4 to Betts 8.6 in 2023 but totally dominated with the bat and legs. Goldschmidt had 7.7 winning it in 2022 while Arrenado was 7.9. If anyone got hosed in recent years, it was Soto in 2021 with a 7.3 WAR while Harper only posted 5.9. One could make an argument Bregman got hosed (8.9) to Trout (7.9) in 2019... but Trout (9.5) got hosed my Donaldson (7.4) in 2015, so call it even. That -2.1 spread is the largest I recall for non-pitchers. Judge is +1.9. Not a lock based on the Donaldson year but still the advantage. I wouldn't at all complain if Cal got it. It's pretty rare for a catcher to land one. Only three since Munson in 1976.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by jraarmy

FWar judge 8.8 cal 8.4

But they'll look at war not fwar. 8.4 to 6.5

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[hxcmilkshake]

Its not really close, but hey break the record , sure. That could get him there.

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[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Its not really close, but hey break the record , sure. That could get him there.

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Add to this, Judge leads in:

Walks: 113 to 92
Intentional Walks: 31 to 16
Runs: 125 to 104
Total bases: 340 to 327
Less Ks: 152 to 171

[fulltritty]

One last point. Do you want your MVP being 43rd best in any counting stat that is important? Cal Raleigh is 43rd in batting average in the AL. He's also tied for 27th in hits. That's not very MVP-like in my book.

[livfreely]

Well whoever gets it doesn’t matter! Because I’m fanatical about one player who will go down eventually as the greatest batter of all time

And I finally picked one up! Don’t forget the season isn’t over yet




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[jraarmy]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Its not really close, but hey break the record , sure. That could get him there.

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Looks like judge will win the Hank Aaron award

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by jraarmy

Looks like judge will win the Hank Aaron award

Because the voters will screw him once again.

[Mister2Bits]

I dont usually pick up doubles but when the price is right...

[DylanPowers92]

Originally Posted by livfreely

Well whoever gets it doesn’t matter! Because I’m fanatical about one player who will go down eventually as the greatest batter of all time

And I finally picked one up! Don’t forget the season isn’t over yet




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Love the fanatical’s. I just picked one up myself. Didn’t know they had parallels


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[hammertime]

EVERYTHING has parallels now...

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by marl1220

You could just not go into the Judge or Yankee threads. That would solve your problem.

Would it though? Found these in the Cal Raleigh thread. You'll put up with my Yankee trolling and you will like it!

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

To be fair, Judge was robbed of MVP by a cheating Altuve.

Originally Posted by f2tornado

The same bias that gave it to Altuve in 2017?

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Trout missed 2 MVPs because of Miguel Cabrera (Miggy was a stud).

Judge missed one because of Altuve and may miss another because of Raleigh. Who would've ever thought that!

[Nostalgia]

The gap in WAR and the bottom 5 categories is huge.


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[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

The gap in WAR and the bottom 5 categories is huge.


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8.4 fWAR to 9.0, Cal's to lose.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

8.4 fWAR to 9.0, Cal's to lose.

[cnewby]

How precious!

[ScooterD]

While sorting - found in an unmarked box with some ‘18 Ohtani stuff.




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[SleepyWill]

There's almost 100 pts between them in BA.

I get that he's a switch hitting catcher, but has there ever been a MVP with a BA sub .250?

[Americards]

Originally Posted by SleepyWill

There's almost 100 pts between them in BA.

I get that he's a switch hitting catcher, but has there ever been a MVP with a BA sub .250?

Being a switch hitting should make it easier to hit since you are always batting against the opposite hand pitcher...


Judge is batting against righties and lefties, all while batting right handed..
So it should be harder for him to hit righties, but he seems to be good.
Advantage Judge!

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by SleepyWill

There's almost 100 pts between them in BA.

I get that he's a switch hitting catcher, but has there ever been a MVP with a BA sub .250?

Kershaw, Verlander, etc

1939 - Bucky Walters (former third baseman) won the pitching triple crown, NL MVP, and batted .325

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Americards

Being a switch hitting should make it easier to hit since you are always batting against the opposite hand pitcher...


Judge is batting against righties and lefties, all while batting right handed..
So it should be harder for him to hit righties, but he seems to be good.
Advantage Judge!

Judge is hitting .336 with 14 homeruns against lefties and .326 with 34 homeruns.

Cal is hitting .277 with 21 homeruns against lefties and .234 with 35 homeruns against righties.