LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

BNC did not own or consign 10/50 as far as we know.

Post edited and I apologize for that.

Deadshot I’ll share a few questions I have for Eric in regards to your post about how to move forward:

What have you learned from this thread about the cards you’ve owned and currently own?

What will your role be in this hobby moving forward? Is it business as usual again or have you implemented any changes to your business since this thread started?

Do you see yourself leaving the hobby because of this?

[ThoseBackPages]

Those are good questions. i wouldnt restrict them to BNC, but would ask all the Dirty to answer them

[corndog]

Here is the 45.

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Post edited and I apologize for that.

Deadshot I’ll share a few questions I have for Eric in regards to your post about how to move forward:

What have you learned from this thread about the cards you’ve owned and currently own?

What will your role be in this hobby moving forward? Is it business as usual again or have you implemented any changes to your business since this thread started?

Do you see yourself leaving the hobby because of this?

I like these. Let's try and stay away from YES/NO questions unless absolutely needed. I would also add:

What is your current protocol for dealing with trimmed/altered cards? It seems to vary by value.

What will your future approach look like to handling altered cards?


And just for kicks...where can I find this...in a medium?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXrB44eA1Kt/

[duron]

Unsurprisingly, Raynald Handojo deleted all before and after pictures of his "service" from his Instagram page. Here are additional screencaps I had taken back in August of other affected cards, including ones not already posted on page 36 of this thread. It might prove useful to see who currently owns these, if they haven't already been sold off to unsuspecting buyers. Blink blink y'all.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1232247&page=2
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...5&postcount=34

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by duron

Unsurprisingly, Raynald Handojo deleted all before and after pictures of his "service" from his Instagram page.

Sounds like Mr. Handojo is shook.

[Deadshot]

Is there any way to see other deleted Instagram posts? When I search his IG handle on Google Images, this BNC MJ is one of the top results. I can't find the missing link that Google is using to populate this result.



EDIT: Looks like it's some sort of Pinterest pin? I'm not really up to date on how those work. I might have to ask my wife lol

EDIT 2: "Pintrest is basically an album of your favorite things. I think you can "pin" pretty much any page. So this isn't much."

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by raynaldhandojo

I just want to clarify, that it’s up to the cards owner want to get the cards fixed or not. Some people are being hypocrite thinking that the card is not genuine by being repaired. But as far as I know, most hobbyist want to get their cards score as high as it can, that means you need to get your cards perfect.
And at the end, the score rank and authenticity are done by Beccket not the cards owner. And I’m sure you all know that Beccket will decline altered, recolouring and fake cards, and it's possible that Beccket also done some human error sometime. I once a former collector, and I have encounter many different sizes of original cards like MJ XRC, Noyz Boyz , Slam Cam, Ultimate Signature those cards has different sizes (big/small), not because the cards are being altered. It’s nothing worth arguing, people are free to have their opinions and choices.

bye..

So you just "fix" them and it's up to the grading companies to try and catch it..?

What exactly do you do when you 'treatment' or 'fix' things such as the corners, edges or surface?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

Is there any way to see other deleted Instagram posts? When I search his IG handle on Google Images, this BNC MJ is one of the top results. I can't find the missing link that Google is using to populate this result.



EDIT: Looks like it's some sort of Pinterest pin? I'm not really up to date on how those work. I might have to ask my wife lol

Pintrest is basically an album of your favorite things. I think you can "pin" pretty much any page. So this isn't much.

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Pintrest is basically an album of your favorite things. I think you can "pin" pretty much any page. So this isn't much.

Thank you! I will edit that post to include that information.

[Deadshot]

Here's something that I found funny. Both of these images are from BNC, so I don't think this was any attempt to cover up any damage. In fact, the image on the left was an IG post to advertise the listing on the right (so the damage was very visible to buyers).

I thought the damage had been fixed at first but it looks like a creative way to use that goofy white striped background lol

[Deadshot]

Another question I would add to my list for BNC:

Obviously you've sold an incredible amount of cards over the years. How do you determine which sold cards are placed on your website? Like how did you choose the 2 Curry NT cards on your site now as opposed to these 3 you showed off on your IG at some point?

https://www.instagram.com/p/2OgKtBwp..._web_copy_link

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by rats60

You should feel lucky that you don't live in the United States. There was someone who went to jail in part for doing what you are doing.

its funny on work on friday i was working with my buddy and told him i flip cards and whatnot. he said oh yeah a guy from my church did cards im like who..thinking its someone from my local show..he tells me doug allen. and im thinking why do i know that name. he goes well hes in jail now. im like oooooh the bill mastro partner! small world though

[frankie350]

I've been trying to catch up on the whole thread for a few days, gotta say quite the challenge, but all the information uncovered here is amazing. Every time I log in to read more, the information gets better and better. Great insight into the modern collecting world and sad at the same time that this is now a reality of the hobby.

[Deadshot]

Here's my list of questions for BNC so far, in no particular order. I will keep adding as people bring them up and then I will weed some of them out later.

Obviously you've sold an incredible amount of cards over the years. How do you determine which sold cards are placed on your website? Like how did you choose the 2 Curry NT cards on your site now as opposed to these 3 you showed off on your IG at some point?
https://www.instagram.com/p/2OgKtBwp..._web_copy_link

What is your current protocol for dealing with trimmed/altered cards? It seems to vary by value.

What will your future approach look like to handling altered cards?

What have you learned from this thread about the cards you’ve owned and currently own?

What will your role be in this hobby moving forward? Is it business as usual again or have you implemented any changes to your business since this thread started?

Do you see yourself leaving the hobby because of this?

Where do you stand morally on the issue of subbing over and over until you get the grade you want?
You have admitted to doing this. Are you cleaning up the card between subs? How many times do you resub?

[corndog]

Originally Posted by duron

Unsurprisingly, Raynald Handojo deleted all before and after pictures of his "service" from his Instagram page. Here are additional screencaps I had taken back in August of other affected cards, including ones not already posted on page 36 of this thread. It might prove useful to see who currently owns these, if they haven't already been sold off to unsuspecting buyers. Blink blink y'all.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1232247&page=2
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...5&postcount=34

Noticed that one of the complimentary comments and one of the "likes" came from Norcalcardz - a Blowout member who PC's Michael Jordan.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/member.php?u=45222

[Deadshot]

I think he asked the pretty obvious question of how there was a huge bump on the corners. The "Nice!" seems like the safest way to ask it without immediately incriminating the original poster. I don't know anything about Norcalcardz, but I wouldn't drag him into this right now.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

I think he asked the pretty obvious question of how there was a huge bump on the corners. The "Nice!" seems like the safest way to ask it without immediately incriminating the original poster. I don't know anything about Norcalcardz, but I wouldn't drag him into this right now.

Yup that’s how I interpreted it as well.

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Some food for thought in regards to raynaldhandojo. First let me say I 100% disagree with the type of service he offers and I believe “repair” is equivalent to “alter”. However is he doing anything illegal by altering these cards if he has full consent from the owner of the card and isnt the one sending them in to be graded? Isn’t it really his clients who are more culpable because they knowingly use a service that alters cards, then they knowingly send these altered cards into the grading services in hopes of getting one by them. Aren’t they the ones who are committing the most serious fraud?

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

Here's my list of questions for BNC so far, in no particular order. I will keep adding as people bring them up and then I will weed some of them out later.

Obviously you've sold an incredible amount of cards over the years. How do you determine which sold cards are placed on your website? Like how did you choose the 2 Curry NT cards on your site now as opposed to these 3 you showed off on your IG at some point?
https://www.instagram.com/p/2OgKtBwp..._web_copy_link

What is your current protocol for dealing with trimmed/altered cards? It seems to vary by value.

What will your future approach look like to handling altered cards?

What have you learned from this thread about the cards you’ve owned and currently own?

What will your role be in this hobby moving forward? Is it business as usual again or have you implemented any changes to your business since this thread started?

Do you see yourself leaving the hobby because of this?

Where do you stand morally on the issue of subbing over and over until you get the grade you want?
You have admitted to doing this. Are you cleaning up the card between subs? How many times do you resub?

Just assume the worst responses here, or the response that correlates to him making more $$. Thats it. Thats all its about.

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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Y

Some food for thought in regards to raynaldhandojo. First let me say I 100% disagree with the type of service he offers and I believe “repair” is equivalent to “alter”. However is he doing anything illegal by altering these cards if he has full consent from the owner of the card and isnt the one sending them in to be graded? Isn’t it really his clients who are more culpable because they knowingly use a service that alters cards, then they knowingly send these altered cards into the grading services in hopes of getting one by them. Aren’t they the ones who are committing the most serious fraud?

Come'on Man! Seriously?

So it's "ok" to sell someone cocaine, because they are not using it themselves?

[ThoseBackPages]

the guy is a card doctor. what he is doing is NOT "ok"

[ThoseBackPages]

is it "ok" to reseal packs, as long as nobody knows?

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Just assume the worst responses here, or the response that correlates to him making more $$. Thats it. Thats all its about.

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Thanks for your contributions here

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Yup that’s how I interpreted it as well.

* * *

Some food for thought in regards to raynaldhandojo. First let me say I 100% disagree with the type of service he offers and I believe “repair” is equivalent to “alter”. However is he doing anything illegal by altering these cards if he has full consent from the owner of the card and isnt the one sending them in to be graded? Isn’t it really his clients who are more culpable because they knowingly use a service that alters cards, then they knowingly send these altered cards into the grading services in hopes of getting one by them. Aren’t they the ones who are committing the most serious fraud?

Unbelievable.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the guy is a card doctor. what he is doing is NOT "ok"

Yes, what he’s doing is clearly wrong. What I’m asking is who’s committing the crime? At first glance it seems it must be raynaldhandojo but the more I think of it, the more serious criminal offense is coming from those who use his services then try to dupe the grading companies, then try to fraud a buyer. Don’t get me wrong raynald is still culpable imo because he advertises how he can get his clients better scores. If he was smarter, he’d add some bs line about his repairs are for PC cards only, and any attempt to get these cards graded could be considered fraud.