2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[btmcrushers]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Isn’t the suspect who killed himself an attorney that had a case with the judge in 2015?

When I looked this morning I had not seen anything about the suspect. Just that he/she/they were at large - link?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by btmcrushers

When I looked this morning I had not seen anything about the suspect. Just that he/she/they were at large - link?

It’s on every link now.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Not that I think it’s possible, but this is how Joe Biden gives the election back to Trump. Get out there Joe.

For all of Donald Trumps faults I absolutely respect the fact that he puts himself out there.

Did the Democrats not learn in 2016? You can’t just hide and hope there’s enough animosity towards Donald Trump. That’s not a platform of anything.
They’ve been politically gifted Covid. If it weren’t for the virus having someone else speak on behalf of the nominee at your parties convention would be political suicide.

On "behalf" here doesn't intend that Kasich will speak in Biden's place, and that Biden won't speak at all. Joe surely will. Rather, the Ohio governor will speak in support of Biden's candidacy like all of the other speakers. The "news" aspect of this is Kasich's political affiliation makes him an unusual addition to the list.

[discostu]

No surprise, as the polling is concerning, Trump is now back on board with the notion of daily Coronavirus briefings.

It's still Trump being Trump, but this the best idea for the country as it still deals with this pandemic.

And stating the obvious...this is the best political play to get his numbers trending in his directions.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by jdandns

On "behalf" here doesn't intend that Kasich will speak in Biden's place, and that Biden won't speak at all. Joe surely will. Rather, the Ohio governor will speak in support of Biden's candidacy like all of the other speakers. The "news" aspect of this is Kasich's political affiliation makes him an unusual addition to the list.

That makes more sense. This headline that's linked from The Hill looks funky then as well.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ys/5470371002/

Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich expected to speak at Democratic National Convention for Joe Biden, AP source says

It also seems completely plausible Biden would stay in his basement.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by discostu

No surprise, as the polling is concerning, Trump is now back on board with the notion of daily Coronavirus briefings.

It's still Trump being Trump, but this the best idea for the country as it still deals with this pandemic.

And stating the obvious...this is the best political play to get his numbers trending in his directions.

This is exactly where his numbers took a dive and he should have NEVER stopped giving the briefings. He was gaining steam with those briefings, even if they were wonky.

The political play for Trump SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN to just act like you care. Even if you don't, give the perception that you care. He woefully dropped the ball on that.

My conspiracy theory is that when the left leaning news stations quite carrying his briefings it was solely based on the fact that they saw how effective they were towards him gaining reelection.

[wood minis]

It makes sense from the perspective of an inability to do his preferred political rallies as well.

He will use these briefings as that platform.

[pejc300]

Do you guys think Trump is hoping he doesn't win reelection? Maybe the novelty of being President has worn off? I can't imagine anyone doing more than he is to try to not get re-elected. I'm being serious. Do you think he actually wants the job again?

Signed,

non-voter

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Do you guys think Trump is hoping he doesn't win reelection? Maybe the novelty of being President has worn off? I can't imagine anyone doing more than he is to try to not get re-elected. I'm being serious. Do you think he actually wants the job again?

Signed,

non-voter

I mean... it's a valid thought.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Do you guys think Trump is hoping he doesn't win reelection? Maybe the novelty of being President has worn off? I can't imagine anyone doing more than he is to try to not get re-elected. I'm being serious. Do you think he actually wants the job again?

Signed,

non-voter

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I mean... it's a valid thought.

Looking at what looms ahead in terms of rebuilding and the insane spending...there's a nightmare coming.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

This is exactly where his numbers took a dive and he should have NEVER stopped giving the briefings. He was gaining steam with those briefings, even if they were wonky.

The political play for Trump SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN to just act like you care. Even if you don't, give the perception that you care. He woefully dropped the ball on that.

My conspiracy theory is that when the left leaning news stations quite carrying his briefings it was solely based on the fact that they saw how effective they were towards him gaining reelection.

How many Democrats and moderates do you think are being turned off by the left-wing lunacy?

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Do you guys think Trump is hoping he doesn't win reelection? Maybe the novelty of being President has worn off? I can't imagine anyone doing more than he is to try to not get re-elected. I'm being serious. Do you think he actually wants the job again?

Signed,

non-voter

I've thought this at times, particularly when he suggested injecting disinfectant.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

This is exactly where his numbers took a dive and he should have NEVER stopped giving the briefings. He was gaining steam with those briefings, even if they were wonky.

The political play for Trump SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN to just act like you care. Even if you don't, give the perception that you care. He woefully dropped the ball on that.

My conspiracy theory is that when the left leaning news stations quite carrying his briefings it was solely based on the fact that they saw how effective they were towards him gaining reelection.

The second part bolded is an impossibility for Trump.
He is mad at people for being sick.
He is enraged at those who do the testing.
This is TrumpCare.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

How many Democrats and moderates do you think are being turned off by the left-wing lunacy?

What you define as left-wing lunacy and what others might is probably different.

"Cancel culture" - The majority of the party
Stuff like "The Green New Deal" - Not many, though not a priority in to many
M4A - 50/50 split would be my best guess

This is the main issue with parties and broad brushing stuff, the vast majority of the electorate is nuanced and it's hard to really gauge.

The DNC can't even properly gauge their own coalition they are trying to form.

The party is a mess. The Republican party, though more unified than the Democratic party, is going to fracture and split again in 2020.

The truth is, political parties suck. I'd love to see term limits AND the two party system abolished. Run on your merits and what you believe in. I don't care about the letter next to your name.

Trump is not some neocon. Biden is not some big "progressive". Though these are some of the labels attached to the party themselves.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by jdandns

The second part bolded is an impossibility for Trump.
He is mad at people for being sick.
He is enraged at those who do the testing.
This is TrumpCare.

He was doing it early on when the virus hit, and it was effective.

Just put yourself out there man. Give the damn briefings and your poll numbers will shift. It may be too little, too late (I suspect it is).

A lot of the big money backers dumped into Biden in the last month. They just want to back the winning horse.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

He was doing it early on when the virus hit, and it was effective.

Just put yourself out there man. Give the damn briefings and your poll numbers will shift. It may be too little, too late (I suspect it is).

A lot of the big money backers dumped into Biden in the last month. They just want to back the winning horse.

It might for a normal President, but the reason these briefings ended in the first place is because Trump kept saying disastrous things. Now he's returning to them while flailing in his reelection bid in a partially shut down country still in the grip of a stubborn enemy? Gooood night. His participation in these rallies where no one claps might last two weeks.

[Jopeal]

Cue the 'Chris Wallace & Fox News are leftists'

[rhigh2390]

Florida teachers union suing to get Gov. DeSantis to keep schools closed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fl...rLg?li=BBnb7Kz

In the article, it says 12,478 new positive cases and 87 deaths in recent weeks. That's a 0.7% death rate. In total, since the outbreak began, they have 350,047 cases and 4,982 deaths. That's a 1.42% death rate.

Only my opinion, but I am still in complete shock of how afraid everyone is of this thing and how many people are willing to alter their lives for it. I would have never imagined this many people would hop on board with this with the numbers for this virus (which are allegedly even skewed to make it look worse than it is). I don't know how anything ever goes back to the old "normal" if the goal is to have it go away. It's not going away. Also really hoping it's never mandated to get the vaccine for it if/when they develop one.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Do you guys think Trump is hoping he doesn't win reelection? Maybe the novelty of being President has worn off? I can't imagine anyone doing more than he is to try to not get re-elected. I'm being serious. Do you think he actually wants the job again?

Signed,

non-voter

I don’t think he wants to be president anymore.

I don’t think he wants to lose the election.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I don’t think he wants to be president anymore.

I don’t think he wants to lose the election.

Yeah, I think you're right. They seem like contradictory statements but they are not. He wants to win because of his pride, but it doesn't seem like he wants anything more than that. Probably wants to go back to a life of millions and women and not nearly as much responsibility.

It is really mind boggling to me that in a country of 300+ million people, and one of the, if not the greatest countries in the world, we cannot get better candidates than these two buffoons. It's crazy.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Florida teachers union suing to get Gov. DeSantis to keep schools closed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fl...rLg?li=BBnb7Kz

In the article, it says 12,478 new positive cases and 87 deaths in recent weeks. That's a 0.7% death rate. In total, since the outbreak began, they have 350,047 cases and 4,982 deaths. That's a 1.42% death rate.

Only my opinion, but I am still in complete shock of how afraid everyone is of this thing and how many people are willing to alter their lives for it. I would have never imagined this many people would hop on board with this with the numbers for this virus (which are allegedly even skewed to make it look worse than it is). I don't know how anything ever goes back to the old "normal" if the goal is to have it go away. It's not going away. Also really hoping it's never mandated to get the vaccine for it if/when they develop one.

It's because the media has spent 4 months now, scaring people. It worked, now you have a percentage of people who think they will die if they get this, who won't go back to normal until the virus is gone.

CDC said that the cases could be ten times higher than the numbers say, we are testing more, so let's say it is 5 times higher. That means just over 1.8 million people in Florida have this, 5,075 deaths, that's a death rate of .27. About double the flu, still serious, but not the doom and gloom that the media puts out there.

Now, let's say we did times it by 10... the death rate would be .14... equivalent to a flu year.

No one listens to the data, the scientists... they listen to the media.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Yeah, I think you're right. They seem like contradictory statements but they are not. He wants to win because of his pride, but it doesn't seem like he wants anything more than that. Probably wants to go back to a life of millions and women and not nearly as much responsibility.

It is really mind boggling to me that in a country of 300+ million people, and one of the, if not the greatest countries in the world, we cannot get better candidates than these two buffoons. It's crazy.

Is it mind boggling? Or have we been slowly dumbed down for the past 50 years by mind-numbing jobs, TV, and now social media to the point where the majority of our citizens are too illogical too to know any better?

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

It’s ok. Trader Joe’s pays $20 per hour out there vs $7.50 at Kroger in Bama. We got this!

They just got rid of their trader Jose's Mexican food brand because some little teenager snowflake was triggered.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Is it mind boggling? Or have we been slowly dumbed down for the past 50 years by mind-numbing jobs, TV, and now social media to the point where the majority of our citizens are too illogical too to know any better?

Some in the electorate were smart enough not to elect another President beholden to big money interests.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

It's because the media has spent 4 months now, scaring people. It worked, now you have a percentage of people who think they will die if they get this, who won't go back to normal until the virus is gone.

CDC said that the cases could be ten times higher than the numbers say, we are testing more, so let's say it is 5 times higher. That means just over 1.8 million people in Florida have this, 5,075 deaths, that's a death rate of .27. About double the flu, still serious, but not the doom and gloom that the media puts out there.

Now, let's say we did times it by 10... the death rate would be .14... equivalent to a flu year.

No one listens to the data, the scientists... they listen to the media.

I don’t disagree with the premise, but the unmeasured variable would be with everything “back to normal” what would the numbers look like?

We’ve had models after models show us what people assume the rate looks like, but nobody knows for sure.

We’ve had our lockdown, then soft opening. Life isn’t completely back to normal with mass congregation. If you were to open the floodgates what would happen? Who knows for sure, but it’s likely the death rate/overall total goes up. Which I’m fine with, but that would be political suicide.