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Old 09-22-2022, 01:23 PM   #28076
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It's been a while since we've had a proper discussion about his best rookie cards.

A few years ago beckett did a ranking. How do we think it's held up (Here's the top 20)?:
https://www.beckett.com/news/patrick...ie-card-guide/

20. Pantheon
19. Preferred
18. Unparalleled
17. Origins
16. Plates & Patches
15. Prizm
14. Absolute
13. Certified
12. Gold Standard
11. Spectra
10. Limited
9. Certified Cuts
8. XR
7. Vertex
6. Immaculate
5. Contenders Optic
4. Contenders
3. Flawless
2. Impeccable
1. National Treasures
Prizm way too low. Where is Optic?
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Old 09-22-2022, 01:28 PM   #28077
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Prizm way too low. Where is Optic?

Yeah prizm should be much higher I’d think 3rd/4th after NT Flawless and contenders.


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Old 09-22-2022, 01:41 PM   #28078
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Prizm way too low. Where is Optic?
It came in at #28, right after regular Donruss and before Phoenix
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Old 09-22-2022, 01:49 PM   #28079
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Yeah that's a dumb list. Even if it's a list of his best rookie autos or RPAs it doesn't make a lot of sense.

I wouldn't ever put a sticker auto over an on card auto.

I don't know about order, but my favorite base/non-auto rookies are:
  • Optic
  • Phoenix
  • Select
Simply because they don't use the same photo used for almost every other Mahomes rookie.

His Elite rookie is underappreciated IMO too.
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Old 09-22-2022, 02:04 PM   #28080
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It's been a while since we've had a proper discussion about his best rookie cards.

A few years ago beckett did a ranking. How do we think it's held up (Here's the top 20)?:
https://www.beckett.com/news/patrick...ie-card-guide/

20. Pantheon
19. Preferred
18. Unparalleled
17. Origins
16. Plates & Patches
15. Prizm
14. Absolute
13. Certified
12. Gold Standard
11. Spectra
10. Limited
9. Certified Cuts
8. XR
7. Vertex
6. Immaculate
5. Contenders Optic
4. Contenders
3. Flawless
2. Impeccable
1. National Treasures
Impeccable at #2? Okay Beckett. Almost every Impeccable I have seen is either damaged and scuffed or the auto is bleeding heavily into the "canvas" card-stock. Could also be that Mahomes rookie autos tend to get passed around like the village bicycle, so maybe that has something to do with the rough condition
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Old 09-22-2022, 02:13 PM   #28081
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The list is garbage, nothing has changed since the last time it was discussed. It's funny how much people are having to pay for unproven RPAs now because of Mahomes, people are going to lose a lot more money than they did in 2018/2019.
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Old 09-22-2022, 02:16 PM   #28082
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Impeccable at #2? Okay Beckett. Almost every Impeccable I have seen is either damaged and scuffed or the auto is bleeding heavily into the "canvas" card-stock. Could also be that Mahomes rookie autos tend to get passed around like the village bicycle, so maybe that has something to do with the rough condition
Impeccable was a weird one.

What this list does highlight is how few true rookie cards with on-card autos there are out there:

99 Preferred
149 Limited
49 Certified Cuts
99 Vertex
99 Immaculate
less than 300 Contenders Optic
212 Contenders
20 Flawless
75 Impeccable
99 National Treasures

1,200 total. Of those, Preferred, Limited, Cert Cuts, Vertex are all pretty bad designed, IMO. Impeccable and Immaculate have major condition issues. That least
-Contenders Optic
-Contenders
-Flawless, and
-NT as my top choices

Probably throw Prizm in there in on either side of Contenders Optic.
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Old 09-22-2022, 02:19 PM   #28083
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Impeccable was a weird one.

What this list does highlight is how few true rookie cards with on-card autos there are out there:

99 Preferred
149 Limited
49 Certified Cuts
99 Vertex
99 Immaculate
less than 300 Contenders Optic
212 Contenders
20 Flawless
75 Impeccable
99 National Treasures

1,200 total. Of those, Preferred, Limited, Cert Cuts, Vertex are all pretty bad designed, IMO. Impeccable and Immaculate have major condition issues. That least
-Contenders Optic
-Contenders
-Flawless, and
-NT as my top choices

Probably throw Prizm in there in on either side of Contenders Optic.
Optic is better than most of those. Not sure why that's skipped.
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Old 09-22-2022, 02:45 PM   #28084
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Impeccable was a weird one.

What this list does highlight is how few true rookie cards with on-card autos there are out there:

99 Preferred
149 Limited
49 Certified Cuts
99 Vertex
99 Immaculate
less than 300 Contenders Optic
212 Contenders
20 Flawless
75 Impeccable
99 National Treasures

1,200 total. Of those, Preferred, Limited, Cert Cuts, Vertex are all pretty bad designed, IMO. Impeccable and Immaculate have major condition issues. That least
-Contenders Optic
-Contenders
-Flawless, and
-NT as my top choices

Probably throw Prizm in there in on either side of Contenders Optic.
Interested to hear your opinion on why these are badly designed... Limited and Preferred are a couple of my favorites.
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Old 09-22-2022, 02:55 PM   #28085
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Interested to hear your opinion on why these are badly designed... Limited and Preferred are a couple of my favorites.
I like Preferred for patches... I think the red jersey swatches on the red card doesn't look right. Since this list is just base rookies, I took that into consideration. The patch versions look very nice

I can't quite put my finger one what I don't like about the Limited. It's stuck somewhere between 'simple design' and 'too much going on' and doesn't really nail either, to me.

Vertext just looks like a novelty insert to me. And for Certified Cuts, the tiny patch window ruins it for me.

That being said, non of these are bad (the way his Elite Draft Picks is, lol). It's just what separates them to me from the 4 I mentioned at the top.
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Old 09-22-2022, 03:17 PM   #28086
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Illusions Mystique is one of my personal favorites. I think as time goes on, Gem Mint graded copies of these condition sensitive acetate rookie cards will be in high demand.
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Old 09-22-2022, 03:37 PM   #28087
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Illusions Mystique is one of my personal favorites. I think as time goes on, Gem Mint graded copies of these condition sensitive acetate rookie cards will be in high demand.
I agree 100%. Those acetate cards are stupidly condition sensitive. They are beautiful in hand!

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Old 09-22-2022, 03:47 PM   #28088
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Illusions Mystique is one of my personal favorites. I think as time goes on, Gem Mint graded copies of these condition sensitive acetate rookie cards will be in high demand.
I'd say they're highly demanded now. I own none but I would like to have one, even being as I can't stand acetate cards in general except for the national treasures stars and stripes which are also acetate and imo the best looking parallel of any of his cards period.
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Old 09-22-2022, 04:25 PM   #28089
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I'd say they're highly demanded now. I own none but I would like to have one, even being as I can't stand acetate cards in general except for the national treasures stars and stripes which are also acetate and imo the best looking parallel of any of his cards period.
*I'd consider them not a parallel, but a variation.

But I agree, they look nice.
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Old 09-22-2022, 04:46 PM   #28090
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*I'd consider them not a parallel, but a variation.

But I agree, they look nice.
Ha yeah I've been through that debate before. Panini listed them as a true parallel so
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Old 09-22-2022, 04:52 PM   #28091
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Ha yeah I've been through that debate before. Panini listed them as a true parallel so
And they his Flawless RPA as a "RC".

All semantics, I guess. Buy the cards that are your favorite.
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Old 09-22-2022, 05:07 PM   #28092
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Impeccable was a weird one.

What this list does highlight is how few true rookie cards with on-card autos there are out there:

99 Preferred
149 Limited
49 Certified Cuts
99 Vertex
99 Immaculate
less than 300 Contenders Optic
212 Contenders
20 Flawless
75 Impeccable
99 National Treasures

1,200 total. Of those, Preferred, Limited, Cert Cuts, Vertex are all pretty bad designed, IMO. Impeccable and Immaculate have major condition issues. That least
-Contenders Optic
-Contenders
-Flawless, and
-NT as my top choices

Probably throw Prizm in there in on either side of Contenders Optic.
Forget how many parallels they made but I have an on-card Origins rookie /5
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Old 09-22-2022, 07:18 PM   #28093
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Forget how many parallels they made but I have an on-card Origins rookie /5
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:26 PM   #28094
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I agree 100%. Those acetate cards are stupidly condition sensitive. They are beautiful in hand!

Definitely my favorite rc. I too have a PSA 10.
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And they his Flawless RPA as a "RC".

All semantics, I guess. Buy the cards that are your favorite.
Dang, you don't think the flawless RPAs are true rookies? That's harsh lol
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Old 09-23-2022, 02:26 PM   #28096
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Dang, you don't think the flawless RPAs are true rookies? That's harsh lol
They aren’t, the same way LeBron 2003,Exquisite Limited Logos isn’t his true rookie.

That being said, it’s probably a top 3 sought after rookie cars card, if you arent taking into consideration rare parallels.
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Old 09-23-2022, 02:50 PM   #28097
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Mahomes mail day! I was able to acquire a 2019 Prizm White Sparkle PSA 9. I didn't crossover, just bought a PSA 9 in addition to. Still waiting to get a 2021:




So this is my total White Sparkle run so far:

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Old 09-23-2022, 03:35 PM   #28098
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So this is my total White Sparkle run so far:

Love it! I'm a big fan of doing PC runs of a certain parallel over all years. The White Sparkle is a great parallel to do that with.
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Old 09-23-2022, 03:47 PM   #28099
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Was lucky enough to pull this out of a blaster.

Any ideas on value?



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Old 09-23-2022, 05:32 PM   #28100
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Great card but that serial number stamp gives me a headache.


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