🏈 🏈 🏈 2024 EVERYTHING COLLEGE FOOTBALL Utopian Discussion Thread 🏈 🏈 🏈

[jkampis]

Realistically, there aren’t 12 teams that deserve to be in the playoffs, which is why I hate how watered down the system quickly became when jumping from 4 to 12.

But arguing that Miami or South Carolina have better resumes than Alabama is just silly. Evidently who you beat doesn’t matter, just who you lost to.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by jkampis

Realistically, there aren’t 12 teams that deserve to be in the playoffs, which is why I hate how watered down the system quickly became when jumping from 4 to 12.

But arguing that Miami or South Carolina have better resumes than Alabama is just silly. Evidently who you beat doesn’t matter, just who you lost to.

Well, the PC is doing what they have historically done: They are giving more value to good wins than they are punishing bad losses. That's why Alabama is ahead of Miami.

[TheFrenzy]

[cardinalsfan]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Well, the PC is doing what they have historically done: They are giving more value to good wins than they are punishing bad losses. That's why Alabama is ahead of Miami.

Are they really?
Alabama and Ole Miss have the same two good wins, Georgia and South Carolina. Bama beat Georgia at home by 7 and beat South Carolina at home by 2. Ole Miss beat Georgia at home by 18 and beat South Carolina at South Carolina by 24.

Ole Miss has three losses Kentucky by 3, LSU by 3, and Florida by 7.
Bama has three losses Tennesee by 7, Vanderbilt by 5, and Oklahoma by 21.

Not sure how Bama is in front of Ole Miss.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Which is a shame because:

1. The committee has said, "we won't punish teams for having to play in conference championships." If they actually mean what they say, then Boise State and SMU should already be locked in ahead of the 9-3 teams.

2. SMU will have played one more game than the 9-3 teams and still have fewer losses. Whether you value wins or losses more, SMU is ahead in both cases.

Boise state and SMU should both be out if they lose.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Well, the PC is doing what they have historically done: They are giving more value to good wins than they are punishing bad losses. That's why Alabama is ahead of Miami.

They got that part right. I picked Miami thinking that’s who they’d keep over Bama.

[jkampis]

Originally Posted by cardinalsfan

Are they really?
Alabama and Ole Miss have the same two good wins, Georgia and South Carolina. Bama beat Georgia at home by 7 and beat South Carolina at home by 2. Ole Miss beat Georgia at home by 18 and beat South Carolina at South Carolina by 24.

Ole Miss has three losses Kentucky by 3, LSU by 3, and Florida by 7.
Bama has three losses Tennesee by 7, Vanderbilt by 5, and Oklahoma by 21.

Not sure how Bama is in front of Ole Miss.

Indeed. Probably should be Ole Miss>Alabama>Miami.

[Cracktoast]

according in the latest ranking Georgia would play Indiana. Even Joe Biden knows Indiana has no chance other than if the Georgia bus crashes on the way to the game. I get that it gets everyone giddy to see new teams but when was the last time one of these teams like Indiana, SMU, Boise St ever went deep into the playoff run? Look at everybody's darling TCU 2 years ago and what happened when they played a real team. The refs blew the TD call against Michigan that sent TCU to the title game and then they were exposed and destroyed 65-7. But oh boy they had a chance. lol

Again there is a reason those types of teams have no business in a playoff system. Just because you go undefeated or only have 1 loss means absolutely nothing if the talent doesn't equal or surpass that of a 3 loss team. People put too much weight on overall records and not enough on talent and skill.

[itsbaytime]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

according in the latest ranking Georgia would play Indiana. Even Joe Biden knows Indiana has no chance other than if the Georgia bus crashes on the way to the game. I get that it gets everyone giddy to see new teams but when was the last time one of these teams like Indiana, SMU, Boise St ever went deep into the playoff run? Look at everybody's darling TCU 2 years ago and what happened when they played a real team. The refs blew the TD call against Michigan that sent TCU to the title game and then they were exposed and destroyed 65-7. But oh boy they had a chance. lol

Again there is a reason those types of teams have no business in a playoff system. Just because you go undefeated or only have 1 loss means absolutely nothing if the talent doesn't equal or surpass that of a 3 loss team. People put too much weight on overall records and not enough on talent and skill.

But somehow the great and powerful Alabama lost to 2 junk teams. Care to explain? I believe Chris Berman said it best---That's why they play the games.

[Cracktoast]

Alabama 100% is not the team they have been for the last decade. Some of that has to do with Saban leaving some of it has to do with more talented players going to the NFL Etc but I would still put my money on Alabama to beat any of those teams like Indiana, Boise State, or SMU. As it's been said over and over again you want the 12 best teams and if Alabama played those three teams 100 times each Alabama would win probably 97. Any of those three games that one of those teams would win the chances they're going to pull that feat off again in the next round are pretty much zero.

Talent wise Alabama is far and above any of those teams. Does it always show on the field absolutely not but to sit here and say they're not one of the best 12 teams when some of the teams that they lost to while unranked are probably still better than any of those teams I just mentioned. And I love how everybody just wants to point to the losses but they just turn a blind eye to the fact that they beat Georgia who was ranked number two at the time and it's still ranked in the top five.

[codered]

Originally Posted by mc1

Ole Miss lost to Kentucky, at home. Thats still a worse loss than Oklahoma on the road.
South Carolina lost to Alabama.

Miami had the benefit of avoiding Clemson and SMU during the regular season.

BCS SEC bias and computers agree with the CFP rankings.

I don’t know if losing by a fg at home to a Kentucky team that barely lost to Georgia is worse than getting pounded on the road by Oklahoma. The ole miss win against Georgia was probably more impressive as well as they didn’t blow a huge lead and were clinched butt cheeks the last few minutes of the game.

[Scottish Punk]

I am 80% on the side with cracktoast. I am rooting for the Boise states and SMUs to get blown out in the playoffs. We shall see if they actually belong to the big boys. There is 20% of me that would greatly enjoy the chaos of one of those teams making a run and upsetting all the narratives. I expect Indiana to lose pretty soundly unless they get matched up with SMU/Boise State. Bama should handle them easily. BUUUT, this needs to play out on the field, right now it is all speculation and assumption. I will say this is the chance for those second tier schools though. The playoff formation and seeding will be in complete flux for the next 3-4 years at least. Now is the time to break the narratives.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by cardinalsfan

Are they really?
Alabama and Ole Miss have the same two good wins, Georgia and South Carolina. Bama beat Georgia at home by 7 and beat South Carolina at home by 2. Ole Miss beat Georgia at home by 18 and beat South Carolina at South Carolina by 24.

Ole Miss has three losses Kentucky by 3, LSU by 3, and Florida by 7.
Bama has three losses Tennesee by 7, Vanderbilt by 5, and Oklahoma by 21.

Not sure how Bama is in front of Ole Miss.

I agree Alabama and Ole Miss are as close as possible - which is why it makes absolutely zero sense for the PC to put Miami in between the two, but that's another matter.

First of all, let the record show that the PC ignores margin of victory. So it doesn't matter who won by how much, all that matters is who won.

If we are being realistic, Alabama benefits from being Alabama. Having said that, they do have a better strength of victory than Ole Miss. Looking at conference games, you are correct they both beat Georgia and SCar, so let's set those aside. Alabama's other 3 wins are Missouri, LSU, Auburn (12-12) where Ole Miss has Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi State (5-19). So Alabama has better wins, even though they also have worse losses. (There's really nothing in each team's OOC schedule to make that big of a difference though, again, Alabama's was marginally more difficult)

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

according in the latest ranking Georgia would play Indiana. Even Joe Biden knows Indiana has no chance other than if the Georgia bus crashes on the way to the game.

Did you give Georgia Tech much of a chance to beat Georgia last week? I understand Tech lost the game, but it wasn't exactly what you might call a blowout.

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

I get that it gets everyone giddy to see new teams but when was the last time one of these teams like Indiana, SMU, Boise St ever went deep into the playoff run?

You can't make a deep playoff run when you are eliminated from the playoffs before the season even begins.

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Look at everybody's darling TCU 2 years ago and what happened when they played a real team. The refs blew the TD call against Michigan that sent TCU to the title game and then they were exposed and destroyed 65-7. But oh boy they had a chance. lol

That's a very strange example choose considering they won a playoff game and made it to the finals.

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Again there is a reason those types of teams have no business in a playoff system. Just because you go undefeated or only have 1 loss means absolutely nothing if the talent doesn't equal or surpass that of a 3 loss team. People put too much weight on overall records and not enough on talent and skill.

Even if you're right, what's wrong with settling it on the field?

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Alabama 100% is not the team they have been for the last decade. Some of that has to do with Saban leaving some of it has to do with more talented players going to the NFL Etc but I would still put my money on Alabama to beat any of those teams like Indiana, Boise State, or SMU. As it's been said over and over again you want the 12 best teams and if Alabama played those three teams 100 times each Alabama would win probably 97.

My friend, you are just not operating in the real world if you think the team that lost to Oklahoma and Vanderbilt beats Boise State 97 out of 100 times.

Saying Alabama is the better team is a reasonable statement. Saying those other teams have no chance whatsoever is just pure ridiculousness.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I am 80% on the side with cracktoast. I am rooting for the Boise states and SMUs to get blown out in the playoffs. We shall see if they actually belong to the big boys. There is 20% of me that would greatly enjoy the chaos of one of those teams making a run and upsetting all the narratives. I expect Indiana to lose pretty soundly unless they get matched up with SMU/Boise State. Bama should handle them easily. BUUUT, this needs to play out on the field, right now it is all speculation and assumption. I will say this is the chance for those second tier schools though. The playoff formation and seeding will be in complete flux for the next 3-4 years at least. Now is the time to break the narratives.

I agree with you that it needs to play out on the field and I don't understand why there is so much consternation over college football doing what every other sport in the country does.

When the NFL playoffs start, there will be teams who don't deserve to be there who have no chance to advance deep. Anyone here see the Falcons in the Super Bowl? No, but (right now) they're in the playoffs and millions of people will watch the game. Same thing holds for the NBA, Baseball, college hoops and FCS football. Nobody wants to do away with the FCS playoffs, even though UT Martin beat New Hampshire 41-10 in the first round.

[foleylion08]

It's interesting how people keep saying the committee has "no reason" to place Alabama ahead of this team or that team, when there are several analytical data points that give Alabama the edge over the other bubble teams.

Strength of schedule:
Miami 55th, Alabama 17th, SC 15th

Strength of record:
Miami 14th, Alabama 10th, SC 11th

Record against teams above .500:
Miami 4-2, Alabama 6-1, SC 3-3

A couple years ago people were up in arms that Alabama ended up ranked higher in the CFP rankings than a Tennessee team with the same record despite a heads up win, yet they also want South Carolina over Alabama now despite a heads up win? Make it make sense.

A couple years before that, people wanted the committee to ignore OSU getting curb stomped by Iowa but now cannot stop talking about a loss to Oklahoma.

You can not like Alabama being in the playoffs, but saying they're completely unworthy of it just seems to be more of a bias than objective. Which is totally understandable.

[AwesomeBrian]

Listening to Full Ride this morning, Rick Neuheisel summed it up perfectly. Alabama is in because Roll Tide. The playoff committee gets their introductory pamphlet every year and inside is a 3x5 note card that says 'Roll Tide'. Warde Manual talked out of both sides of his mouth last night, was too honest. All he needed to say was Roll Tide. Does Ole Miss vs Notre Dame move the needle? Does Alabama vs Notre Dame break the needle? Roll Tide

[foleylion08]

Let's run Ole Miss' numbers:

Strength of schedule:
Miami 55th, Alabama 17th, SC 15th, Miss 31st

Strength of record:
Miami 14th, Alabama 10th, SC 11th, Miss 18th

Record against teams above .500:
Miami 4-2, Alabama 6-1, SC 3-3, Miss 3-2

Bonus: Ole Miss is the only bubble team to lose to a sub .500 team, at home no less.

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[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Listening to Full Ride this morning, Rick Neuheisel summed it up perfectly. Alabama is in because Roll Tide. The playoff committee gets their introductory pamphlet every year and inside is a 3x5 note card that says 'Roll Tide'. Warde Manual talked out of both sides of his mouth last night, was too honest. All he needed to say was Roll Tide. Does Ole Miss vs Notre Dame move the needle? Does Alabama vs Notre Dame break the needle? Roll Tide

Lol. I'm not a Bama fan, nor do I like the SEC. So tired of Bama, Georgia, etc.

I've seen so many people say something to the effect of "Bama is too high". This happens throughout the year as well - "team X is ranked too high". What these people fail to do is offer a solution. So who should be higher than Alabama?

Miami? LOL. Losing 2 games with that trash can of a schedule? Next.
Ole Miss? I don't see how their resume is better than Bama
South Carolina? They are probably the closest, but lost h2h
Arizona State? Nope
Iowa State? Nope

So who are you saying should be ahead of Alabama?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Lol. I'm not a Bama fan, nor do I like the SEC. So tired of Bama, Georgia, etc.

I've seen so many people say something to the effect of "Bama is too high". This happens throughout the year as well - "team X is ranked too high". What these people fail to do is offer a solution. So who should be higher than Alabama?

Miami? LOL. Losing 2 games with that trash can of a schedule? Next.
Ole Miss? I don't see how their resume is better than Bama
South Carolina? They are probably the closest, but lost h2h
Arizona State? Nope
Iowa State? Nope

So who are you saying should be ahead of Alabama?

Army only has 1 loss. Throw them in there.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Army only has 1 loss. Throw them in there.

Good grief, lol. This isn't about fewest losses.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Good grief, lol. This isn't about fewest losses.

That’s not fair. Bama has 3. Army has 1.

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[TheFrenzy]

Would any of the bubble teams be favored over South Carolina right now?

If the 12th team is going to be an arbitrary committee pick, I say put in the hottest team.