Corona Virus

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

We are laying off 1000 people tomorrow do to being an Ohio restaurant group. Delivery wont even help us pay rent. But we are going to play it for a week and see how it goes.

There is a rumor out there that within 72 hours they expect Trump to declare a 14 day quarantine for the entire United States. Not sure how much truth there is to it.

You really can’t enforce a complete 14 day quarantine, unless you have sleeping quarters built in for hospital workers, someone has to man the grocery stores, someone has to take care of the electricity, that is when Americans will say screw the government and revolt.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Oh by Tuesday/Wednesday we will be quarantined coast to coast. There is no doubt about it.

Were getting close to Marshall Law for a chest cold.....yikes. Good Job Lefties.

Please tell me you're joking, hard to tell these days.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Oh by Tuesday/Wednesday we will be quarantined coast to coast. There is no doubt about it.

Were getting close to Marshall Law for a chest cold.....yikes. Good Job Lefties.

If only the people in this thread devoted their lives to study and understand something like this. You, for example! If only you would have gone into this field of study you could have saved us with the “right” measures.

Those damn leftists shutting the world down. How could they?!?!

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

If only the people in this thread devoted their lives to study and understand something like this. You, for example! If only you would have gone into this field of study you could have saved us with the “right” measures.

Those damn leftists shutting the world down. How could they?!?!

I am not blaming leftists or rightists but based on the numbers as of today I do believe there is something the government knows that they are not telling us about.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

I am not blaming leftists or rightists but based on the numbers as of today I do believe there is something the government knows that they are not telling us about.

Like what?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

I am not blaming leftists or rightists but based on the numbers as of today I do believe there is something the government knows that they are not telling us about.

It’s called watching what’s unfolding in Italy. Very stark contrast between Italy and Asia. Where is the US going to fall on the spectrum? If we have a similar experience to Italy, we are completely #@#@#@#@ed.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Like what?

That they have actual numbers from another country that we are comparable to and they are a lot worse than we know about.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

You really can’t enforce a complete 14 day quarantine, unless you have sleeping quarters built in for hospital workers, someone has to man the grocery stores, someone has to take care of the electricity, that is when Americans will say screw the government and revolt.

It’s called shutting down the non-essentials. Grocery stores, utilities, hospitals, etc. stay open. Restaurants, bars, gyms, department stores, etc. will close.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

That they have actual numbers from another country that we are comparable to and they are a lot worse than we know about.

Possible but not probable. Information spread is too easy and our government can’t contain that.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It’s called shutting down the non-essentials. Grocery stores, utilities, hospitals, etc. stay open. Restaurants, bars, gyms, department stores, etc. will close.

You forgot PSA on essentials list.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It’s called shutting down the non-essentials. Grocery stores, utilities, hospitals, etc. stay open. Restaurants, bars, gyms, department stores, etc. will close.

Yes and making people that can work from home, I understand that but at what point can they prove the 14 day quarantine is working. When 14 becomes 21 and 21 becomes 28 what they think are non essential places actually keep the economy going. Realistically how many families do you think can go without a paycheck for a complete month.

[thebrett]

I own a bar / restaurant in Illinois and we have only been open 4 months

My employees are freaking out about missing 2 weeks and paying rent. There is no way I’m able to pay them with no revenue coming in.

I personally see this going 3-5-8 weeks

Gonna get weird, and a huge percentage of paycheck to paycheck Americans and small business owners are gonna be wrecked

Luckily we have no debt and very controlled overhead, but many other bar / restaurant owners do not. How many small businesses will this put the nail in the coffin for?

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Well, think of this way. We don't do anything special about the flu. Death rate on the flu is .1%. If we just let the coronavirus run its course, assuming the death rate drops from the 3% down to just 1%. If you take just 1%, deaths will be 120,000. If the death stays at 3% than it could get to 360,000. More than any on your false equivalence list.

Been trying to stay away today, checked in a few times but just not worth the headache, however I will say this....

The reason we don't do anything special about the flu is because our healthcare system is set up to care for the amount of people who contract it.

Yes, some people die from it and it's unfortunate, but it doesn't cause our hospitals to be overrun to the point they have to pick who gets machines and who doesn't like in Italy right now. The sheer number of cases that might need hospital care in such a short period of time, on top of the non coronavirus healthcare needs at hospitals is not something they are currently built to work with.

That's why it's about flattening the curve, the same number of people will end up contracting the virus, but they will contract it over say a 6 month period (with an early spike of course) rather than a 2 month period, and that will 100% save lives.

Why is that so hard for some people to understand?

If hospitals were just empty and had no other patients, no normal flu patients, then yea, we could go on as normal and it would mostly be fine because the numbers are lower than the flu overall, but that's just not the case, there are already plenty of people in hospitals for non coronavirus needs.

[xbignick]

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

If only the people in this thread devoted their lives to study and understand something like this. You, for example! If only you would have gone into this field of study you could have saved us with the “right” measures.

Those damn leftists shutting the world down. How could they?!?!

Triggered! I think you need the research my friend. I'll help you since you may struggle to do that without your Lord and Savior CNN, and free thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLGX2L9JLa8
50-55 year old man
'I went from normal to 103, my worst symptom was the fever which lasted for 8 hours.'
'They pumped me up with Gatorade to keep me hydrated'
'My wife who was on the cruise with me didnt get it'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjzW9i-cgkA
60-65 ish
'I tested positive I didnt even know I was sick.'
'I flew home from Chicago and went back to work'
--They thought the dad gave the infant corona, turns out...guess what the toddler never contracted it, just regular flu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idTWP5FiPS4
30-40's
'I never really felt unwell'
'I had a little bit of a cough when they told me, and I have a bit of the fever. It normalized'
'You should have no fear unless you already have a respiratory issue.'

I can get you about 20 more of these if you would like. Sounds like something we should shut down the country over and have mass panic about.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

You forgot PSA on essentials list.

I know you're kidding, but we're both going to be pretty bummed when PSA shuts down.

[zonacats8]

And in regards to everyone saying how restaurants and bars won't be able to pay rent, I get that it's a real concern, but do you really think the government and/or landlords won't do something about that?

I have a hard time believing landlords will just kick out 50% of the restaurant/bar tenants because they can't pay their rent for a month or two because of this, knowing that once it's over, things will more or less go back to normal, it's not like these are failing businesses. Everyone will be struggling, if they gave them the boot, then they'd be sitting there with empty buildings and still getting no rent because nobody will be able to afford to just open up new restaurants to save their place, they'll lose more in the long run by having an empty building for months on end when this is over.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Triggered! I think you need the research my friend. I'll help you since you may struggle to do that without your Lord and Savior CNN, and free thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLGX2L9JLa8
50-55 year old man
'I went from normal to 103, my worst symptom was the fever which lasted for 8 hours.'
'They pumped me up with Gatorade to keep me hydrated'
'My wife who was on the cruise with me didnt get it'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjzW9i-cgkA
60-65 ish
'I tested positive I didnt even know I was sick.'
'I flew home from Chicago and went back to work'
--They thought the dad gave the infant corona, turns out...guess what the toddler never contracted it, just regular flu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idTWP5FiPS4
30-40's
'I never really felt unwell'
'I had a little bit of a cough when they told me, and I have a bit of the fever. It normalized'
'You should have no fear unless you already have a respiratory issue.'

I can get you about 20 more of these if you would like. Sounds like something we should shut down the country over and have mass panic about.

This was the first thing in the thread got an audible laugh from me. 23 pieces of anecdotal information vs the world's major health organizations, nice!

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Triggered! I think you need the research my friend. I'll help you since you may struggle to do that without your Lord and Savior CNN, and free thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLGX2L9JLa8
50-55 year old man
'I went from normal to 103, my worst symptom was the fever which lasted for 8 hours.'
'They pumped me up with Gatorade to keep me hydrated'
'My wife who was on the cruise with me didnt get it'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjzW9i-cgkA
60-65 ish
'I tested positive I didnt even know I was sick.'
'I flew home from Chicago and went back to work'
--They thought the dad gave the infant corona, turns out...guess what the toddler never contracted it, just regular flu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idTWP5FiPS4
30-40's
'I never really felt unwell'
'I had a little bit of a cough when they told me, and I have a bit of the fever. It normalized'
'You should have no fear unless you already have a respiratory issue.'

I can get you about 20 more of these if you would like. Sounds like something we should shut down the country over and have mass panic about.

And to the thousands dying in Italy?

It's not about the people who survive it and get better, it's about those who can't beat it without proper medical attention but are unable to do so because hospitals don't have the capacity.

I don't understand why some people are okay with people dying unnecessarily just because most people are okay. Nobody who dies from the flu because the hospital was too full so they sent them home to die, not in this country, it just doesn't happen like that, and if it does, those specific numbers would be dwarfed by the numbers dying from the Coronavirus.

There is a difference between someone dying because their body just couldn't beat a virus with medical help and someone dying unnecessarily because they couldn't receive medical help.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

And in regards to everyone saying how restaurants and bars won't be able to pay rent, I get that it's a real concern, but do you really think the government and/or landlords won't do something about that?

I have a hard time believing landlords will just kick out 50% of the restaurant/bar tenants because they can't pay their rent for a month or two because of this, knowing that once it's over, things will more or less go back to normal, it's not like these are failing businesses. Everyone will be struggling, if they gave them the boot, then they'd be sitting there with empty buildings and still getting no rent because nobody will be able to afford to just open up new restaurants to save their place, they'll lose more in the long run by having an empty building for months on end when this is over.

You said it better than I could have. This is why the relief package needs to get through the Senate.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

Yes and making people that can work from home, I understand that but at what point can they prove the 14 day quarantine is working. When 14 becomes 21 and 21 becomes 28 what they think are non essential places actually keep the economy going. Realistically how many families do you think can go without a paycheck for a complete month.

They can prove it works because of places like South Korea and China, they did those things, and their economies didn't crash and now they're starting to get back to life, but in Italy it just keeps getting worse (Spain and France too) because they didn't take drastic enough measures from the start.

How hard is it to look at what is happening in other places and learn from both the failures and successes to make sure we're a success story and not a failure?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

And in regards to everyone saying how restaurants and bars won't be able to pay rent, I get that it's a real concern, but do you really think the government and/or landlords won't do something about that?

I have a hard time believing landlords will just kick out 50% of the restaurant/bar tenants because they can't pay their rent for a month or two because of this, knowing that once it's over, things will more or less go back to normal, it's not like these are failing businesses. Everyone will be struggling, if they gave them the boot, then they'd be sitting there with empty buildings and still getting no rent because nobody will be able to afford to just open up new restaurants to save their place, they'll lose more in the long run by having an empty building for months on end when this is over.

When FEMA goes out in a national emergency, they pay supreme prices to suppliers and transportation providers to get product where it needs to be to help. The problem is, for instance with Hurricane Harvey, it took most those suppliers and trucking companies 18-24 months to get paid. Anything rolled out , by the government will take an insane amount of time to funnel down to the local level. And by the time it does a lot of these mom and pops will be long closed.

Sorry we might care about our neighborhood bars, but the government isn't going to get the support money out till all this is long over.

Just how it works. You really shouldn't speak to it, if you a making those assumptions.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I know you're kidding, but we're both going to be pretty bummed when PSA shuts down.

I mean Ill get some free time I guess.

[cking]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I know you're kidding, but we're both going to be pretty bummed when PSA shuts down.

They wont shut down. Joe Orlando has a pretty good track record of caring about no one but himself.

He will keep them open. You are good.

[persona]

It’s awful that large group of people will be out of a job and possibly paychecks for several weeks. Unfortunately even though corona has halted certain industries, bills will still have to be paid. I’m sure lot of companies will step up and allow people to skip this months bill but they will all have to play catch up next month and so on.
I take lot of sh!t for granted and it takes a situation like this to really appreciate everyday things in life. So far I’ve donated $15k to different charities and I plan to donate additional $15k. I would love to donate more and help out and frankly I probably could but at the end of the day my greed and selfishness still gets the best of me.