LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - Page 111

Silentcommit · 12-29-2018, 03:11 PM

I think I see where the disconnect is in this thread. Yall arent going to like it tho. Brace yourselves.

There is a small circle of people that can buy these cards. I'm not in it. These cards are so rare, as long as they are genuine, the big money guys don't care if the cards have been cleaned or the rough edges smoothed out. They just want them because of the scarcity.

Some of yall doNT like it. That's fine. But there are other opinions.

AbraCalabro · 12-29-2018, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentcommit

I think I see where the disconnect is in this thread. Yall arent going to like it tho. Brace yourselves.

There is a small circle of people that can buy these cards. I'm not in it. These cards are so rare, as long as they are genuine, the big money guys don't care if the cards have been cleaned or the rough edges smoothed out. They just want them because of the scarcity.

Some of yall doNT like it. That's fine. But there are other opinions.

Brace yourself.

There are also current buyers in the high end and super high end tiers and more people who will join those ranks in the future. When they pay a certain dollar amount for a card in a certain grade, they expect that the grade is a genuine reflection of an unaltered card. If it was such a nonchalant matter like you illustrate it to be, then BNC would make it very clear to ALL who view his listings that the cards are trimmed or otherwise ALTERED.

Talk about a disconnect...

KhalDrogo · 12-29-2018, 03:16 PM

Don’t bother responding to this guy anymore. His most recent comments prove he’s nothing but a troll. He sounds like DK did before he went down. We’re all just jealous because we can’t buy these cards.

Silentcommit · 12-29-2018, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Brace yourself.

There are also current buyers in the high end and super high end tiers and more people who will join those ranks in the future. When they pay a certain dollar amount for a card in a certain grade, they expect that the grade is a genuine reflection of an unaltered card. If it was such a nonchalant matter like you illustrate it to be, then BNC would make it very clear to ALL who view his listings that the cards are trimmed or otherwise ALTERED.

Talk about a disconnect...

Dude, if a card is in a certain grade, then that's the grade the card is. Your hysterics aside, this is reality. The grading companies have rewarded this behavior and made it a reality in the hobby.

ninjacookies · 12-29-2018, 03:17 PM

Ya'll feeding the last remainimg troll. I put that 'thing' on ignore awhile ago.

ThoseBackPages · 12-29-2018, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentcommit

I think I see where the disconnect is in this thread. Yall arent going to like it tho. Brace yourselves.

There is a small circle of people that can buy these cards. I'm not in it. These cards are so rare, as long as they are genuine, the big money guys don't care if the cards have been cleaned or the rough edges smoothed out. They just want them because of the scarcity.

Some of yall doNT like it. That's fine. But there are other opinions.

Silentcommit · 12-29-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Don’t bother responding to this guy anymore. His most recent comments prove he’s nothing but a troll. He sounds like DK did before he went down. We’re all just jealous because we can’t buy these cards.

Classic. Don't respond to the guy pointing out a different opinion than mine, I can't handle it.

DajuanWagner · 12-29-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Dirty!!

ThoseBackPages · 12-29-2018, 03:19 PM

SilentCommit, its not a crime if someones not caught, right?

corndog · 12-29-2018, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentcommit

I think I see where the disconnect is in this thread. Yall arent going to like it tho. Brace yourselves.

There is a small circle of people that can buy these cards. I'm not in it. These cards are so rare, as long as they are genuine, the big money guys don't care if the cards have been cleaned or the rough edges smoothed out. They just want them because of the scarcity.

Some of yall doNT like it. That's fine. But there are other opinions.

I would disagree and if the owners of those cards who have invested a small fortune knew that the card was altered they would have never purchased it for the price they paid.

Reminds me of "lipstick on a pig".

Deadshot · 12-29-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentcommit

I think I see where the disconnect is in this thread. Yall arent going to like it tho. Brace yourselves.

There is a small circle of people that can buy these cards. I'm not in it. These cards are so rare, as long as they are genuine, the big money guys don't care if the cards have been cleaned or the rough edges smoothed out. They just want them because of the scarcity.

Some of yall doNT like it. That's fine. But there are other opinions.

This very well could be the case - I just wish they would say that. Also, I wish that any altered cards were labeled as such for future generations of the hobby.

So then what about a card like the AI SOTT? The card stock itself and the odds of pulling it were super rare. The auto is manipulated. Where will people like this draw the line? Edges, surface, patch materials, auto? I'm not holding you to this stance, I'm just genuinely curious.

Silentcommit · 12-29-2018, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

This very well could be the case - I just wish they would say that. Also, I wish that any altered cards were labeled as such for future generations of the hobby.

So then what about a card like the AI SOTT? The card stock itself and the odds of pulling it were super rare. The auto is manipulated. Where will people like this draw the line? Edges, surface, patch materials, auto? I'm not holding you to this stance, I'm just genuinely curious.

If it's graded, then who knows.

AbraCalabro · 12-29-2018, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentcommit

Dude, if a card is in a certain grade, then that's the grade the card is. Your hysterics aside, this is reality. The grading companies have rewarded this behavior and made it a reality in the hobby.

According to you, this is genuine.

get out of here, lmao

bmf · 12-29-2018, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Ya'll feeding the last remainimg troll. I put that 'thing' on ignore awhile ago.

Agree. Just did the same.

blackbears86 · 12-29-2018, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentcommit

I think I see where the disconnect is in this thread. Yall arent going to like it tho. Brace yourselves.

There is a small circle of people that can buy these cards. I'm not in it. These cards are so rare, as long as they are genuine, the big money guys don't care if the cards have been cleaned or the rough edges smoothed out. They just want them because of the scarcity.
Some of yall doNT like it. That's fine. But there are other opinions.

How do you know this silentcommit? You say you are not in the "circle" of people that buy these cards--yet you are saying they don't care.

I can assure you I bet they "care". If you have the kind of money to pluck down 5-10 thousand on a card you surely want to know if it was "altered"
or genuine. You think people buying a classic car care if the engine is original or not?

hairyangryfella · 12-29-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentcommit

You keep raising this like it's an issue. Maybe gslayton is consigning a card to bnc. So what?

Like other posters have pointed out, yall have found 3 or 4 questiobabe cards out of tens of thousands of on line sales. Doesn't that speak to the health of the hobby, and not the other way around?

You sound an awful lot like DevinKurant..........

chuckerrrr · 12-29-2018, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

You sound an awful lot like DevinKurant..........

Haha was just about to say the same.

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chuckerrrr · 12-29-2018, 05:30 PM

Silentcommit if these so-called high rollers dont care if a card is altered/damaged and are only buying for scarcity why would they even care to pay for a graded card then? You could get a raw Lebron RPA for much cheaper than a one that is slabbed a 9.

Oh no high rollers like just throwing away money so who cares if a card is altered. In my experience rich people dont like spending money. That how they become rich.

Your not making any sense in your argument.

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ninjacookies · 12-29-2018, 05:41 PM

You guys really going to keep feeding him?

Annoying refreshing and seeing his nonsensical requotes.

MeteoriteGuy · 12-29-2018, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

How do you know this silentcommit? You say you are not in the "circle" of people that buy these cards--yet you are saying they don't care.

I can assure you I bet they "care". If you have the kind of money to pluck down 5-10 thousand on a card you surely want to know if it was "altered"
or genuine. You think people buying a classic car care if the engine is original or not?

They likely didn't care when it was just "rumored' within themselves. Meaning, they turned a blind eye against the obvious. Just like rookies basically said he did. Just like 27guy pretty much said he did, and just why the mj guy didn't want his name as the evidence man. I don't condemn any of the three, and I applaud that at least they pretty much came clean. (27 hijinks aside).

Look back at what I wrote a day or two ago. Now consider this. This group is one of many and several are likely intermingled. The consignment as I noted is key in this, as no one is actually putting down $100,000 every week to move these cards around. The grading is also key as between the two, it creates plausible deniability.

I don't see a solution either, sadly. Too many groups of people making money, with most of them seeing it as only kinda wrong. Like how some of us might view jaywalking.

There are likely a couple dozen guys within these groups reading this post. It is these guys that need to come out. And to those guys reading, yes, some of the hobby may attack you. Such action might even stain a few of your cards. All I can tell you, is you know this system isn't right. And that your silence, along with others, just allows this to continue. Yet, I am willing to bet...your not the one who made the money. You likely got a card or two you wanted. How can it be worth it?

Without more guys coming out, I think it might be best to start a new thread, to research cards. Thread could start with known cards to have been cleaned. And then suspected or possible cards that have been clean. I know a few of you have started this on your own, but if one of you could make a somewhat clean looking thread...perhaps we can group source this.

chuckerrrr · 12-29-2018, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

You guys really going to keep feeding him?

Annoying refreshing and seeing his nonsensical requotes.

Your right! I should’ve ignored. Ain’t worth it.

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ninjacookies · 12-29-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckerrrr

Your right! I should’ve ignored. Ain’t worth it.

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Even the last remaining detractor (TheLucky) has all but bowed out of the thread and switched his stance.

This guy is just being difficult to be difficult. Most likely a PBM, and nothing to gain by trying to sway the last ridiculous viewpoint. He/she can have fun arguing with the echos of their own voice.

Silentcommit · 12-29-2018, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Even the last remaining detractor (TheLucky) has all but bowed out of the thread and switched his stance.

This guy is just being difficult to be difficult. Most likely a PBM, and nothing to gain by trying to sway the last ridiculous viewpoint. He/she can have fun arguing with the echos of their own voice.

Nah, I just disagree with you and several posters here. Specifically the way you all have trashed good members of our community and attempted to tarnish their reputations. It's not that complicated.

Donkaylove · 12-29-2018, 06:59 PM

[QUOTE=chuckerrrr;14235978]Silentcommit if these so-called high rollers dont care if a card is altered/damaged and are only buying for scarcity why would they even care to pay for a graded card then? You could get a raw Lebron RPA for much cheaper than a one that is slabbed a 9.

Oh no high rollers like just throwing away money so who cares if a card is altered. In my experience rich people dont like spending money. That how they become rich.

Your not making any sense in your argument.

excellent point--smart money players know where there money goes at all times. Research/reward is the tightwads ambition.

theLUCKYshow · 12-29-2018, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Even the last remaining detractor (TheLucky) has all but bowed out of the thread and switched his stance.

This guy is just being difficult to be difficult. Most likely a PBM, and nothing to gain by trying to sway the last ridiculous viewpoint. He/she can have fun arguing with the echos of their own voice.

I changed my stance? Bowed out?

It’s very hard to take you seriously when you spew nonsense.

12-29-2018, 03:11 PM	#2751
Silentcommit Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 554	I think I see where the disconnect is in this thread. Yall arent going to like it tho. Brace yourselves. There is a small circle of people that can buy these cards. I'm not in it. These cards are so rare, as long as they are genuine, the big money guys don't care if the cards have been cleaned or the rough edges smoothed out. They just want them because of the scarcity. Some of yall doNT like it. That's fine. But there are other opinions. __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/141094471@N06/with/43465873615/ Ig: @Silentcommit33

12-29-2018, 03:19 PM	#2759
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,775 ThoseBackPages	SilentCommit, its not a crime if someones not caught, right? __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

12-29-2018, 03:16 PM	#2753
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,168	Don’t bother responding to this guy anymore. His most recent comments prove he’s nothing but a troll. He sounds like DK did before he went down. We’re all just jealous because we can’t buy these cards.

12-29-2018, 03:17 PM	#2755
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,751	Ya'll feeding the last remainimg troll. I put that 'thing' on ignore awhile ago.

12-29-2018, 05:30 PM	#2768
chuckerrrr Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Georgetown TX Posts: 3,445 charger21	Silentcommit if these so-called high rollers dont care if a card is altered/damaged and are only buying for scarcity why would they even care to pay for a graded card then? You could get a raw Lebron RPA for much cheaper than a one that is slabbed a 9. Oh no high rollers like just throwing away money so who cares if a card is altered. In my experience rich people dont like spending money. That how they become rich. Your not making any sense in your argument. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12-29-2018, 05:41 PM	#2769
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,751	You guys really going to keep feeding him? Annoying refreshing and seeing his nonsensical requotes.

12-29-2018, 06:59 PM	#2774
Donkaylove Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: PNW Posts: 3,184	[QUOTE=chuckerrrr;14235978]Silentcommit if these so-called high rollers dont care if a card is altered/damaged and are only buying for scarcity why would they even care to pay for a graded card then? You could get a raw Lebron RPA for much cheaper than a one that is slabbed a 9. Oh no high rollers like just throwing away money so who cares if a card is altered. In my experience rich people dont like spending money. That how they become rich. Your not making any sense in your argument. excellent point--smart money players know where there money goes at all times. Research/reward is the tightwads ambition.