Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by cp312

Hard to get caught holding the bag if you're buying at msrp for your own collection

This....

[ExpFacilitators]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I opened 14 boxes of 18-19 Prizm FOTL Basketball. I didn't even pull what 2 boxes would sell for now. I opened 35 19-20 Prizm Target Mega Boxes and about 120 hangers. The sealed boxes are probably worth triple what I got out of them. This in addition to the endless amount of hours organizing, taking pictures, listing, answering questions, selling, etc. I could tell horror stories on money for days on end. You would think I'd manage to make the correct move on something that really matters once. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But I haven't manage to make the correct move once yet.

If true, do us all a solid and let us know when youre making your next big move

[LTLurker]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Some will. I don't think one will ever crack $50 in hand.

I agree. In reality I think everything above 10000 PR will settle in at $10-$50.

Technically the MSRP range of these is 13.05-22.00.

10-pack in no sales tax state with 10% off is $13/per.


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[Peteybass]

Huge shout out to eBayer:
svacards

I pre-ordered a Shore Rivera from svacards at the worst possible time after another seller cancelled my order. They just shipped my card and also gave a refund bringing the price way back in line. Very, very cool. Smart business as I imagine a lot of people would cancel or return.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by JRX

So the key to investing in baseball cards is to just not ever open anything.

You mean don't open or ever sell sealed either? I couldn't tell you the amount of sealed wax I've sold the last 3 years that's worth 1.5-5 times what I sold it for. Like I said before it's probably give or take $150k. And I was buying modest amounts until 19-20 Prizm Basketball. If I was buying the amounts I've been buying the last 8 months it would be retirement money lost.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I opened 14 boxes of 18-19 Prizm FOTL Basketball. I didn't even pull what 2 boxes would sell for now. I opened 35 19-20 Prizm Target Mega Boxes and about 120 hangers. The sealed boxes are probably worth triple what I got out of them. This in addition to the endless amount of hours organizing, taking pictures, listing, answering questions, selling, etc. I could tell horror stories on money for days on end. You would think I'd manage to make the correct move on something that really matters once. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But I haven't manage to make the correct move once yet.

The ONLY product I've seen where you can not lose is the 2019-20 Optic Fanatics set.

If you bought at $80, you will profit if you sell sealed. You will profit if you sell the singles.

Even if you got 2018 TC Sapphire at $200 or 2018-19 Prizm FOTL at $120, there is no guarantee you will get your money back if you open.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i bought the Shore Brett, its cool

It's very cool!

[Bleu Falcon]

Originally Posted by Peteybass

Huge shout out to eBayer:
svacards

I pre-ordered a Shore Rivera from svacards at the worst possible time after another seller cancelled my order. They just shipped my card and also gave a refund bringing the price way back in line. Very, very cool. Smart business as I imagine a lot of people would cancel or return.

I think this is a great way to restore faith in the market and get everyone back to having fun or doing whatever they were doing before mistakenly meandering into the Project for all the wrong reasons.

[mchenrycards]

I was on the fence with this project from the beginning but I chalked that up to being a vintage collector. I could not justify in my head how having cards redesigned by modern artists that didn't seem to really appeal to a majority of the collectors could be much more than a niche market. Then I saw the crazy numbers and dipped my toe in and bought a few cards from Topps but could not go all in because the print runs were rising and the more I read on this board, the more I realized there were so many people buying incredibly large multiples of cards which made me feel that they were doing nothing more than inflating the market, hoping for a big payday down the road. The high prices on these cards and the instant profit on something that could have been purchased from Topps on one day and a huge profit made the next just did not make market sense to me.

For those who made your profit and got out my hat is off to you. For those who are sitting on a crap ton of cards in hopes that the market will bounce and we will see the cards come back to near the prices they were before a few weeks ago, well I hope you enjoy your collection. I suspect we will be seeing a great many of these cards listed on Craig's list, Ebay and dealer displays at flea markets in five years or less.

Once again I always say buy what you enjoy looking at because of the market drops out, you will be stuck with those cards. I suspect many will be stuck with bricks of Shore Griffey's. I will give you ten bucks shipped for one right now just so I have an example of the absurdity of some of these cards.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ExpFacilitators

If true, do us all a solid and let us know when youre making your next big move

I'm holding all these cards. I'm buying all the Mosaic and Bowman retail I can find and holding. Haven't found any Mosaic in stores but have bought a ton of Hangers and Blasters for $40-$42 a piece on ebay.

Anything I made in cards I lost in stocks. So I decided in February I was done putting more money in stocks. Virtually every stock that bottomed out in March is now up 1.5-6 times in less than 3 months. All these casino stocks I had saved on my list on average went up 5 times. Brilliant move as always. So on Topps Project you guys should run for the hills.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mchenrycards

I was on the fence with this project from the beginning but I chalked that up to being a vintage collector. I could not justify in my head how having cards redesigned by modern artists that didn't seem to really appeal to a majority of the collectors could be much more than a niche market. Then I saw the crazy numbers and dipped my toe in and bought a few cards from Topps but could not go all in because the print runs were rising and the more I read on this board, the more I realized there were so many people buying incredibly large multiples of cards which made me feel that they were doing nothing more than inflating the market, hoping for a big payday down the road. The high prices on these cards and the instant profit on something that could have been purchased from Topps on one day and a huge profit made the next just did not make market sense to me.

For those who made your profit and got out my hat is off to you. For those who are sitting on a crap ton of cards in hopes that the market will bounce and we will see the cards come back to near the prices they were before a few weeks ago, well I hope you enjoy your collection. I suspect we will be seeing a great many of these cards listed on Craig's list, Ebay and dealer displays at flea markets in five years or less.

Once again I always say buy what you enjoy looking at because of the market drops out, you will be stuck with those cards. I suspect many will be stuck with bricks of Shore Griffey's. I will give you ten bucks shipped for one right now just so I have an example of the absurdity of some of these cards.

noted.

[ExpFacilitators]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I'm holding all these cards. I'm buying all the Mosaic and Bowman retail I can find and holding. Haven't found any Mosaic in stores but have bought a ton of Hangers and Blasters for $40-$42 a piece on ebay.

Anything I made in cards I lost in stocks. So I decided in February I was done putting more money in stocks. Virtually every stock that bottomed out in March is now up 1.5-6 times in less than 3 months. All these casino stocks I had saved on my list on average went up 5 times. Brilliant move as always. So on Topps Project you guys should run for the hills.

I dont have any but this didnt help

I kid.

Although my personal opinion is mosaic is trash but thats for a different irrational exuberance thread

GL!

[speedyjg13]

I received my 1 Trout Fucci today.

Came with bubble wrap but the magnetic had some sort of air bubble, almost like its cracked... you can see it on the right side of the magnetic holder

[BurnerNotify]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

It's very cool!

The Shore Brett is very very cool. I like how he kept the border the same as the original. Everytime i see those colors, it reminds me of my youth a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

[mchenrycards]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

noted.

You are a Prince of a guy!!!!

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I opened 14 boxes of 18-19 Prizm FOTL Basketball. I didn't even pull what 2 boxes would sell for now. I opened 35 19-20 Prizm Target Mega Boxes and about 120 hangers. The sealed boxes are probably worth triple what I got out of them. This in addition to the endless amount of hours organizing, taking pictures, listing, answering questions, selling, etc. I could tell horror stories on money for days on end. You would think I'd manage to make the correct move on something that really matters once. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But I haven't manage to make the correct move once yet.

So...

...What are you thinking the first 100 P2020 cards are going to do from here?

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ExpFacilitators

I dont have any but this didnt help

I kid.

Although my personal opinion is mosaic is trash but thats for a different irrational exuberance thread

GL!

Regardless of if you like it or not, I can't see Mosaic not surpassing Optic prices once it dries up. Optic blasters are $75. Even if the Mosaic hangers sell for only half of Prizm hangers they will be $70.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

So...

...What are you thinking the first 100 P2020 cards are going to do from here?

I think you should keep them for now. 1 of the 3 major distributors is offering to buy the first 10. They are very limited and I can't see the value on those ones tanking much more. I think any of the sub 3k print runs will always have some value. If I was in your spot, I said this the other week but I'd have went out of my way to sell everything in person during that weekend. I'd have gladly taken 30-35% less to sell in person. Or stockx which I didn't know much about until recently. I would be retired right now if I had the foresight to buy big on all the early cards like you did.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by elny43

Did I miss something...when have Artist Proofs been in the 4 figures?

For a couple weeks now.

Only 20 of each will ever exist. No matter the base print run, only 20 Silver APs will be made.

These player and artist sets are going to be exceedingly rare. I doubt there will be 20 complete sets of any of them. Maybe not even 10.

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by williemayshayes

It’s as if people didn’t realize that artists as a whole tend to lean left.


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Im still not passing judgement yet cause im unsure if he was passing along info or encouraging or what but leaning left and glorifying lighting cops on fire are two items I would put in the same basket.


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[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I think you should keep them for now. 1 of the 3 major distributors is offering to buy the first 10. They are very limited and I can't see the value on those ones tanking much more. I think any of the sub 3k print runs will always have some value. If I was in your spot, I said this the other week but I'd have went out of my way to sell everything in person during that weekend. I'd have gladly taken 30-35% less to sell in person. Or stockx which I didn't know much about until recently. I would be retired right now if I had the foresight to buy big on all the early cards like you did.

Dang! I was hoping, (given your admitted recent track record), you were going to say everything is going to tank and most or all cards would be less than MSRP.

Truth be told...If I tried to liquidate even half of what I have a week or two ago, how many headaches would I have right now? And on top of that, for anyone that didn't want to return the cards or get partial refunds, I'd feel bad for them.

On another note, I'm back to being able to keep up with this thread now. I'm still finding positivies with this product!

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

For a couple weeks now.

Only 20 of each will ever exist. No matter the base print run, only 20 Silver APs will be made.

These player and artist sets are going to be exceedingly rare. I doubt there will be 20 complete sets of any of them. Maybe not even 10.

There should be at least 10 complete sets. Aren't the same 10 bots or so the ones buying them all every day?

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I ride things out to the bottom. I had $33k invested in a stock now worth zero. $75k in another stock that's worth about $30k right now but could also go to zero. I just know if I sell everything will go sky high and I'll regret it more. So I'll end up holding these when basically every card not in the top 50 is selling for $10-$25 a piece.

What stock were you in?


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[JRX]

What actually is the difference with the artist proof vs the regular card? Is it that they're numbered or is the printing different?

[gamboooler]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

I received my 1 Trout Fucci today.

Came with bubble wrap but the magnetic had some sort of air bubble, almost like its cracked... you can see it on the right side of the magnetic holder

I've had air bubbles in my mags on probably 5-10% of my cards direct from Topps.