Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[GrangerCollectr]

Love seeing all the discussions in here and we are now up to page 11!!! Seeing new folks jump in to talk about the soccer market growing is great!
Feel free to show off some of the stuff you guys have been collecting/investing in....I'm sure some of you have some incredible Mbappe, Messi, Ronaldo, Pele stuff laying around

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Sellers are not dictating that they are his rookies, collectors are. I understand it doesn't fit into your idea of how the rest of us should collect but market and other collectors have already spoken. The 2018 WC Prizm and the 2017/18 TC are considered Mbappe rookie cards by many collectors and are all hot cards right now. People are busting wax to get them and the increase in sealed product and singles shows that. Long term I feel especially the 2018 Prizm will be THE Mbappe rc to get but time will tell.

It seems like you or the so called investors are dictating the prices rather than us collectors. Prizm is mbappe’s 3rd year product and it will never be mbappe’s rookie card. If the sticker wont take off then it can be the select or chrome from his 2nd year.

[Sutantoj]

Originally Posted by Raj3sh

It seems like you or the so called investors are dictating the prices rather than us collectors. Prizm is mbappe’s 3rd year product and it will never be mbappe’s rookie card. If the sticker wont take off then it can be the select or chrome from his 2nd year.

2017 panini adrenalyn XL

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by Raj3sh

It seems like you or the so called investors are dictating the prices rather than us collectors. Prizm is mbappe’s 3rd year product and it will never be mbappe’s rookie card. If the sticker wont take off then it can be the select or chrome from his 2nd year.

No, "us collectors" are dictating that they are all rookie cards in our view which has resulted in the price of the cards to go up. It's simple economics really.

If the sticker was a card we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion but the Select, TC and Prizm all came out in the 2017/18 season and are viewed by many "collectors" myself included as his rookie cards. The Prizm well because it is Prizm seems the most popular rookie card so that is that.

Deal with it or don't but you don't get to dictate to me and others how we will view cards. When you start insulting others to try and win a discussion or act like your view must be my view it shows you have already lost it.

I am not pressing my view on you just explaining mine. I would hope you'd have the same respect for others opinions but I can already see you do not.

[Akphillips86]

Veering into another topic, I can’t help being intrigued by the potential of several young players not named Mbappe. There are several youngsters with superstar potential, but I’m mainly interested in Jadon Sancho, Ansu Fati and Erling Haaland. Sancho has quite a few good RC options available, Fati has SP rookie cards in Obsidian and Gold Standard, but I’m wondering when a premium Haaland will be released. I just can’t get into Topps Now or stickers personally. Any thoughts?


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[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

No, "us collectors" are dictating that they are all rookie cards in our view which has resulted in the price of the cards to go up. It's simple economics really.

If the sticker was a card we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion but the Select, TC and Prizm all came out in the 2017/18 season and are viewed by many "collectors" myself included as his rookie cards. The Prizm well because it is Prizm seems the most popular rookie card so that is that.

Deal with it or don't but you don't get to dictate to me and others how we will view cards. When you start insulting others to try and win a discussion or act like your view must be my view it shows you have already lost it.

I am not pressing my view on you just explaining mine. I would hope you'd have the same respect for others opinions but I can already see you do not.

I can see both sides. The World Cup was after the season was over, was a stand-alone product (not related to the season) and featured players in their national team jerseys.

On the other side, FOTL was released the same day as Topps Chrome, a new season wasn't even close to starting yet and it was Mbappe first cards with a France jersey.

At the end of the day, there's something for everyone. I was never fan of collecting stickers (not outside of an album at least) so I don't think I'll ever get into that. Cards are my thing and I will consider all 3 sets (Select, TC, WC Prizm) part of Mbappe's card rookie year.

[AsianBrizz]

Fati also has a Megacracks card and a Este sticker, both from Spain, both released before Obsidian or Gold Standard. His first ever card was a Topps Now On Demand card, which had a print run of 335. If you want to talk about rarity, these are important rookies.

As for this discussion of card vs. sticker rookies, I don't see anyone arguing that Zidane's rookie isn't the 1992 Panini sticker, but his 1993 card...or that Zlatan's rookie isn't a 2000 sticker with Malmo. Xavi's rookie is a sticker...Thierry Henry has a rookie sticker...Steven Gerrard, Sergio Aguero, Roberto Carlos, Robin Van Persie, Rivaldo, Cafu, Rivelino, Paulo Maldini, Paolo Rossi, Oliver Kahn, Mo Salah, Miroslav Klose, Michel Platini, Manuel Neuer....and well, I'm bored of scrolling through my spreadsheet, so you get my point.

Stickers have been around for decades, and Panini since 1961, and they're just as much a part of the hobby as cards and you're missing the point if you neglect them.

[k13]

Originally Posted by Raj3sh

It seems like you or the so called investors are dictating the prices rather than us collectors. Prizm is mbappe’s 3rd year product and it will never be mbappe’s rookie card. If the sticker wont take off then it can be the select or chrome from his 2nd year.

Prizm is king.
It will trickle down from other sports.

[fadster]

It depends what your goal is. If you're looking to solely ride the Mbappe wave to invest or speculate you'll be fine, the Mbappe 17/18 cards will do well as an early release of a hot player. If you're going to collect soccer rookies though you'll have to be more flexible. This isn't baseball or basketball or football; sticker, cards, discs have all complemented each other throughout history and if you're serious about rookie collecting it's just something you have to put up with. I don't particularly like a lot of the old South American formats, especially Argentinian disc shaped cards but they were the primary release format at the time and reflect the history of the hobby. If you want the rookies of Maradona or Di Stefano or Sivori that's the way you have to go. By the soccer hobby standards the true Mbappe rookie will always be 16/17 Panini Foot but that doesn't mean it is the only valuable or popular release he is allowed. But denying it's status is basically denying a massive part of the soccer collecting hobby and it's history, by those standards you'll never find rookie cards for most of history's top players.

I will say this again though, as more premium hobby releases come out they will dominate the future rookie market, and when there are both cards and stickers in the rookie year the card will win. The big advantage of stickers is a 500+ long checklist for each country vs 100-200 long checklists for the whole game for cards. If someone bursts through midseason they likely already have a sticker whereas cards only covered the top players. Now though you'll get a Topps NOW card or get shoehorned into a late season release like Select or Topps chrome.

[Akphillips86]

Isn’t Fati’s Megacracks card still 2019-20 just like Obsidian and Gold Standard? I understand it may have been released first, but it won’t undermine the status of these releases in the long term. Although I will concede that Megacracks could end up being like flagship Topps in the long run. It may hold a premium in and of itself because it’s the classic and it’s legacy is well established in the hobby already even if it’s not as rare as the aforementioned cards.

As someone already pointed out earlier, the sticker issue has two very valid perspectives. I think from a self-admitted card collector, I simply want to collect quality rookie cards regardless of a sticker being released first because I collect cards, not stickers. My collecting isn’t limited to merely soccer though.

If you are a soccer hobby purist, you are probably infuriated by the card collectors coming into territory you know very well and trying to tell you what the rules are, as stickers have always been a major part of the hobby. Nobody should try to invalidate their worth, but I do think as new card collectors enter the soccer market, the tides will turn to cards as far as money spent is concerned. If you don’t care about the money, then this could even be a good thing for sticker collectors as the card collectors won’t blow up the value through increased demand and make stickers financially inaccessible for the majority of collectors (read the basketball forums for bitterness about a hot market making cards unaffordable).

I think for some people, such as myself, I’m not overly concerned with the first release of a player. I would rather invest in a quality card that I find aesthetically pleasing and that will hold market value over time.
I’m kind of in it for both reasons. I love enjoying the cards, but also enjoy seeing cards that I own appreciate in value as I plan on passing them on to my kids, either in a whole collection or in liquidated cash form (still vacillating on that one )


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[fadster]

As far as I know all the Fati's are 19/20 so can all be legitimately called rookies. If I had to guess the Megacracks will end up the most valuable base whilst the Obsidian parallels, especially the Contra, will end up doing better than anything else.

[ThoseBackPages]

where can i read about the history of "Megacracks"?

[bberns]

The discussion of rookies rages on in baseball each year (bowman 1st vs. topps). It's much easier if you just give up and go with whatever the market collectively decides is the card or cards to get. Short-term, medium-term, long-term, that is all that matters.

[IndySportsCards]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

where can i read about the history of "Megacracks"?

Not really a history per say, but does contain quite a few checklists for the various releases

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

Not really a history per say, but does contain quite a few checklists for the various releases

oh, that is nice! but im looking to read up on distribution methods, and stuff like that

[fadster]

My two most favourite resources are:

https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...16/06/a-z.html
and
https://www.laststicker.com/

One thing about the Megacracks that seems to get forgotten is to be aware that they are released with updates and editions. For example the Messi rookie is numbered 71 BIS, indicating it's an update. If you ever get the chance at buying sealed product for 04/05 be very careful you are buying the right edition. I believe a similar thing applies to the Panini Este sticker. This year both Kubo and Fati are found in the second edition
https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...-20-02_23.html

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by fadster

My two most favourite resources are:

https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...16/06/a-z.html
and
https://www.laststicker.com/

One thing about the Megacracks that seems to get forgotten is to be aware that they are released with updates and editions. For example the Messi rookie is numbered 71 BIS, indicating it's an update. If you ever get the chance at buying sealed product for 04/05 be very careful you are buying the right edition. I believe a similar thing applies to the Panini Este sticker. This year both Kubo and Fati are found in the second edition
https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...-20-02_23.html

Thank You so much!

#AlwaysLearning

[jrg1128]

Just posted a few Mbappes in the FS section if anyone is interested

[Akphillips86]

Question for any admin (not sure where to request), but is it possible to create another forum that is solely soccer rather than lumping it in with racing and golf? I think the growing number of collectors would greatly appreciate it!


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[IndySportsCards]

Erling Haaland is up to 40 goals in 2019/20.

Still three months of the season to go

[bloomie6]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

Erling Haaland is up to 40 goals in 2019/20.

Still three months of the season to go

He’s awesome to watch. Any idea when his first “mainstream” card will be released?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by bloomie6

He’s awesome to watch. Any idea when his first “mainstream” card will be released?

should be in bundesliga topps chrome, due out in May

[IndySportsCards]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

should be in bundesliga topps chrome, due out in May

That card will be FIRE!

I've been watching his Topps Now 17/9/19 card which had 178 printed go from $29 four weeks ago, to then $80 last week, and then this week there's one with a starting bid of $129 with a bid already! His Chrome cards will be fire.

[Josie27]

This this is a worth thread. To add to statistical significance I recently sold a Christian Eriksen 2018 Prizm Gold /10 Scorer's Club for $170.

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[AsianBrizz]

Haland already has a few cards...He's got a Topps Match Attax Champions League card, a Topps Crystal Champions League, plus at least three stickers from Panini. He's also got an Abe Pro-Mont card made in Serbia.