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awz50 · 12-30-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rms13

Well I've been here saying trade Sale (and Story, Yoshida) for whatever they can get. But trading Sale the day after signing Giolito doesn't make sense. But either way I'm happy with the return they got for Sale

I'm almost certain more moves are coming for pitching help

rms13 · 12-30-2023, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

I'm almost certain more moves are coming for pitching help

Probably more one year deals so they can blow it up at the trade deadline if the season isn't going well

awz50 · 12-30-2023, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rms13

Probably more one year deals so they can blow it up at the trade deadline if the season isn't going well

Probably, but I do enjoy this Vaughn Grissom move. Super young and controllable second basemen.

rms13 · 12-30-2023, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

Probably, but I do enjoy this Vaughn Grissom move. Super young and controllable second basemen.

Definitely. Fills an immediate need at second. He adds some more speed and hopefully he hits the way he has in the minors. I don't know how good of a defender he is at second but it has to be an upgrade over what they had last year

awz50 · 01-01-2024, 04:10 PM

Was reading twitter this morning and saw a trade preposed by a beat writer that was:

Kenley Jansen for Steven Matz (Who is under control till 2025) I do not think the cards would go for that but I would be in full support.

rms13 · 01-01-2024, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

Was reading twitter this morning and saw a trade preposed by a beat writer that was:

Kenley Jansen for Steven Matz (Who is under control till 2025) I do not think the cards would go for that but I would be in full support.

I'm definitely in favor of trading Jansen and I'm sure he'll be gone by the deadline if Sox aren't good but I'd rather get a prospect then a 32 year old 4/5 starter which is what I view Matz as. But I wouldn't complain if they made that deal especially because they could probably flip Matz for the same prospect return as Jansen if they had to. And I think they have plenty of options to finish games in the pen or Whitlock or Pivetta who have been much better in short doses.

awz50 · 01-03-2024, 10:10 AM

Red sox are making calls that surround Jansen and Story. Moving story's contract would be huge

seanbros55 · 01-03-2024, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

Red sox are making calls that surround Jansen and Story. Moving story's contract would be huge

PLEASE PLEEEEEAAAAASSSEEEE get Story out of that CLUBHOUSE!

rms13 · 01-03-2024, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

Red sox are making calls that surround Jansen and Story. Moving story's contract would be huge

If you look back through the thread I said I hoped they moved Sale, Verdugo, Story, Jansen and Yoshida this off season or by the trade deadline. So far I like Breslow

blackbears86 · 01-03-2024, 03:29 PM

Good moves so far! I like it.

JimEd14 · 01-03-2024, 03:30 PM

I think Yoshida is needed for the fanbase, to be honest. At least going into the season. The upcoming season feels pretty bleak, and he's someone people can easily pull for.

Hopefully he'll be a prime trade deadline chip at some point.

rms13 · 01-03-2024, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JimEd14

I think Yoshida is needed for the fanbase, to be honest. At least going into the season. The upcoming season feels pretty bleak, and he's someone people can easily pull for.

Hopefully he'll be a prime trade deadline chip at some point.

Maybe but he doesn't make sense long term. He's a terrible defense outfielder and not valueable as a DH who hits 15 HR. I think Devers needs to be the long term DH with the way his defense has regressed. But guys in the farm system that hopefully step into those roles probably won't be ready for another year or two. I'll be interested to see if they do trade Story if they are going to give Mayer the SS job next year. He definitely doesn't look ready based on last year but a lot of guys his age are already making big contributions in MLB on other teams.

rms13 · 01-04-2024, 06:48 AM

I was listening to Chris Cotillo on Off The Pike His opinion is Sox dont want ro spend money. Snell and Montgomery are out of the question because they are too expensive They are open to trading Mayer and/or Anthony for young controllable pitching specifically one of the Mariner or Marlins starters They definitely want to dump Jamsen's contract They probably bring back Paxton and Duvall as cheap short term guys. And Cora is probably gone after this season and probably goes to Yankees or Dodgers depending on how those teams seasons go. Sounds like Sox ownership is trying to operate like a mid market team at best.

SleepyWill · 01-04-2024, 07:00 AM

Red Sox end last year saying they needed to get better on defense . . . .

They move Sale for VG who was initially a SS but was so bad that the Braves moved him to second. I understand the need for another "potential" right handed bat in the line-up but he's a train wreck in the field.

rms13 · 01-04-2024, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SleepyWill

Red Sox end last year saying they needed to get better on defense . . . .

They move Sale for VG who was initially a SS but was so bad that the Braves moved him to second. I understand the need for another "potential" right handed bat in the line-up but he's a train wreck in the field.

Grissom will cost $700k, The top free agent options will be $8-12 million. That's the answer.

StateEx · 01-04-2024, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rms13

Grissom will cost $700k, The top free agent options will be $8-12 million. That's the answer.

Also, if (*IF*) he hits reasonably well, then he's more valuable... either at another position when a better option comes along or as trade bait to a team that needs a 1B/DH/RF.

rms13 · 01-04-2024, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by StateEx

Also, if (*IF*) he hits reasonably well, then he's more valuable... either at another position when a better option comes along or as trade bait to a team that needs a 1B/DH/RF.

According to Chris Cotillo interview I was listening to Sox are open to flipping Grissom in a deal right now. So he might not make it to opening day but probably will be starting second basemen this year. The only untouchables right now seems to be Casas, Bello and Teel.

awz50 · 01-04-2024, 10:34 AM

Red sox operating like mid market team is so blah

awz50 · 01-04-2024, 10:35 AM

All this non spending and wanting to just be borderline convinces me still they are waiting on the fenway 4 corners plan and won't actually start being a large market team till 2030

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.arc...oston/%3famp=1

Jsturino · 01-04-2024, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rms13

Maybe but he doesn't make sense long term. He's a terrible defense outfielder and not valueable as a DH who hits 15 HR. I think Devers needs to be the long term DH with the way his defense has regressed. But guys in the farm system that hopefully step into those roles probably won't be ready for another year or two. I'll be interested to see if they do trade Story if they are going to give Mayer the SS job next year. He definitely doesn't look ready based on last year but a lot of guys his age are already making big contributions in MLB on other teams.

I actually dnt know the answer to this but is it even possible to play 50% of your games at Fenway in LF and have good defensive metrics? Masa was definitely not good but I don’t remember feeling as though he was a butcher even tho advanced metrics said he was. 3 errors and 5 assists. Looking at Benintendi who I thought was great in Lf his defensive WAR was also bad.

That said, Masa as a full time DH would be my preference. 15 bombs 33 doubles 70 RBIs and .290 in 140 games last season. If he can build off that season this year and go 20 Hrs 40 doubles 85 RBIs and .290 -.300 that’s a 2 WAR player. I’m okay with that. Basically Justin Turner.

awz50 · 01-04-2024, 03:13 PM

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I actually dnt know the answer to this but is it even possible to play 50% of your games at Fenway in LF and have good defensive metrics? Masa was definitely not good but I don’t remember feeling as though he was a butcher even tho advanced metrics said he was. 3 errors and 5 assists. Looking at Benintendi who I thought was great in Lf his defensive WAR was also bad.

That said, Masa as a full time DH would be my preference. 15 bombs 33 doubles 70 RBIs and .290 in 140 games last season. If he can build off that season this year and go 20 Hrs 40 doubles 85 RBIs and .290 -.300 that’s a 2 WAR player. I’m okay with that. Basically Justin Turner.

Yeah Yoshida really hasn't been given a fair shake for us to scream trade him, I want to see a full second season under him before anything.

Jsturino · 01-04-2024, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

Yeah Yoshida really hasn't been given a fair shake for us to scream trade him, I want to see a full second season under him before anything.

100% agreed. I think yoshida can post 20HR, 80 RBIs, .290 with a .350 OBP. That’s totally reasonable for year two and works for me at DH.

Now Kenley and Story, that’s different lol. I think Kenley could have a market so I would move him. Story idk how we move without eating money and attaching a top 10 prospect. Why not just keep him and his elite defense. Maybe he walks into 20 bombs and bats .225.

JimEd14 · 01-04-2024, 03:49 PM

The thing about Yoshida you all probably know but most forget, he's not terribly young. This will be his age 30 season, so, the idea of growth for him has to be tempered quite a bit.

Again, I like him a lot and he's easy to pull for ... but I'm also not 100% sure I want to see the age 34/35 Yoshida that awaits at the end of this contract.

rms13 · 01-04-2024, 04:30 PM

I agree that Yoshi's bat at DH isn't going to kill the team. The main problem is the team defense. Yoshi, Devers and Casas all should be DH and there is only one DH spot. It makes most sense to have Devers or Casas DH and move aYoshi who you can replace with someone who provides the same bat but with good defense. But also I agree that having bad defense in LF won't kill you. But his age as pointed out doesn't make sense in the long run for a team that I don't really expect to try to compete for a few years

Jsturino · 01-05-2024, 03:02 PM

Lots of SPing rumors where the Sox are linked.

My wish list in order…

1. Jesus Luzardo
2. Dylan Cease
3. Jordan Montgomery
4. Blake Snell
5. Shota Imanaga

I’d be happy with any of the top 4 options to pair with Bello,Giolito, Pivetta and Crawford/Houck. If we go Shota I’d want to sign someone else with him like Paxton as insurance.

We also still need a power RH bat. I guess it’s Teoscar or Soler at this point. We really need to get that figured out.

01-01-2024, 04:10 PM	#26905
awz50 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: New Hampshire>>>Arizona>>>>Florida Posts: 33,627 awz50	Was reading twitter this morning and saw a trade preposed by a beat writer that was: Kenley Jansen for Steven Matz (Who is under control till 2025) I do not think the cards would go for that but I would be in full support. __________________ Collecting Baseball Hof Autographs 249/352 Blowouts Official Red Sox face of the franchise Eduardo Rodriguez Super Collector

01-03-2024, 10:10 AM	#26907
awz50 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: New Hampshire>>>Arizona>>>>Florida Posts: 33,627 awz50	Red sox are making calls that surround Jansen and Story. Moving story's contract would be huge __________________ Collecting Baseball Hof Autographs 249/352 Blowouts Official Red Sox face of the franchise Eduardo Rodriguez Super Collector

01-03-2024, 03:30 PM	#26911
JimEd14 Member Join Date: Oct 2023 Location: SF, CA Posts: 764	I think Yoshida is needed for the fanbase, to be honest. At least going into the season. The upcoming season feels pretty bleak, and he's someone people can easily pull for. Hopefully he'll be a prime trade deadline chip at some point. __________________ Collecting: Mookie Betts, David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, Dustin Pedroia, Tim Lincecum, Buster Posey, Vlad Sr. IG: sfosoxfan

01-04-2024, 07:00 AM	#26914
SleepyWill Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Boston Posts: 2,702	Red Sox end last year saying they needed to get better on defense . . . . They move Sale for VG who was initially a SS but was so bad that the Braves moved him to second. I understand the need for another "potential" right handed bat in the line-up but he's a train wreck in the field. __________________ Shohei Variation Chaser @Forbidden Donut on IG

01-04-2024, 10:34 AM	#26918
awz50 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: New Hampshire>>>Arizona>>>>Florida Posts: 33,627 awz50	Red sox operating like mid market team is so blah __________________ Collecting Baseball Hof Autographs 249/352 Blowouts Official Red Sox face of the franchise Eduardo Rodriguez Super Collector

01-03-2024, 03:29 PM	#26910
blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,636 blackbears86	Good moves so far! I like it.

01-04-2024, 06:48 AM	#26913
rms13 Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: California Posts: 7,040	I was listening to Chris Cotillo on Off The Pike His opinion is Sox dont want ro spend money. Snell and Montgomery are out of the question because they are too expensive They are open to trading Mayer and/or Anthony for young controllable pitching specifically one of the Mariner or Marlins starters They definitely want to dump Jamsen's contract They probably bring back Paxton and Duvall as cheap short term guys. And Cora is probably gone after this season and probably goes to Yankees or Dodgers depending on how those teams seasons go. Sounds like Sox ownership is trying to operate like a mid market team at best.

01-04-2024, 10:35 AM	#26919
awz50 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: New Hampshire>>>Arizona>>>>Florida Posts: 33,627 awz50	All this non spending and wanting to just be borderline convinces me still they are waiting on the fenway 4 corners plan and won't actually start being a large market team till 2030 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.arc...oston/%3famp=1 __________________ Collecting Baseball Hof Autographs 249/352 Blowouts Official Red Sox face of the franchise Eduardo Rodriguez Super Collector

01-04-2024, 03:49 PM	#26923
JimEd14 Member Join Date: Oct 2023 Location: SF, CA Posts: 764	The thing about Yoshida you all probably know but most forget, he's not terribly young. This will be his age 30 season, so, the idea of growth for him has to be tempered quite a bit. Again, I like him a lot and he's easy to pull for ... but I'm also not 100% sure I want to see the age 34/35 Yoshida that awaits at the end of this contract. __________________ Collecting: Mookie Betts, David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, Dustin Pedroia, Tim Lincecum, Buster Posey, Vlad Sr. IG: sfosoxfan

01-04-2024, 04:30 PM	#26924
rms13 Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: California Posts: 7,040	I agree that Yoshi's bat at DH isn't going to kill the team. The main problem is the team defense. Yoshi, Devers and Casas all should be DH and there is only one DH spot. It makes most sense to have Devers or Casas DH and move aYoshi who you can replace with someone who provides the same bat but with good defense. But also I agree that having bad defense in LF won't kill you. But his age as pointed out doesn't make sense in the long run for a team that I don't really expect to try to compete for a few years

01-05-2024, 03:02 PM	#26925
Jsturino Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 3,166	Lots of SPing rumors where the Sox are linked. My wish list in order… 1. Jesus Luzardo 2. Dylan Cease 3. Jordan Montgomery 4. Blake Snell 5. Shota Imanaga I’d be happy with any of the top 4 options to pair with Bello,Giolito, Pivetta and Crawford/Houck. If we go Shota I’d want to sign someone else with him like Paxton as insurance. We also still need a power RH bat. I guess it’s Teoscar or Soler at this point. We really need to get that figured out.