2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Trump wouldn't raise taxes. No republican would, no republican congress would.

Biden however; yes. He has no choice. Raising taxes represents a win on taking more from the rich, even if it means taking more from everyone else. It's in the handbook.

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

It'll always be the other sides fault.

It's not a "side" ... it's an ideology. Biden wins, you pay more, it's that simple. And more is not just a reversal of the money saved w/ Trump ... more is on top of that reversal.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Aren’t tariffs taxes?

Depends on what you buy. Not on what you make.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's not a "side" ... it's an ideology. Biden wins, you pay more, it's that simple. And more is not just a reversal of the money saved w/ Trump ... more is on top of that reversal.

Thoughts on Yang?

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Thoughts on Yang?

democrat bad

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rman112

That's where we disagree. I don't think don't think having specifically one-sides, dissenting opinions pushed down isn't a change, and/or basically nothing to worry about.

As far as the politicians go, moreso than the people .. I think an interesting question relating to all this would be: Do you think it's possible for AOC or Omar to climb the political latter?

We disagree. I still hear dissenting opinions DAILY, in this very thread none the less. But we can agree to disagree on that, I don’t think there’s a right or wrong in answer on someone’s perspective. I definitely can understand where that one is formed and it is based in something real. I respect your opinion.

To the second question, it depends. I don’t find them to be as radical as many others, but that’s just me. I also don’t think they have a shot at higher office, and in the unlikely event that they do they have little to no political will to even begin to enact any type of policy. Not in our lifetime will that message get through. You’d have to have a total collapse of the economy, which isn’t likely to happen.

I think Donald Trump will be the only “outsider” type of politician. It’s easier to come through the Republican primary system as an outsider than it is the Democratic one.

I don’t pay any mind to Democratic bluster. We saw in 2016 what happens when someone who wants to change the system gets momentum. We saw it again in 2020, to a lesser degree because a greater one wasn’t necessary. The Democrats aren’t enacting any form of socialism in this country.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Thoughts on Yang?

If you're talking about VAT, it's an interesting approach for a country as large as the US but the left would never allow it. Hits low income too much; would never fly in the urban areas of the country.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Depends on what you buy. Not on what you make.

Meh.

I definitely do spend more than I pay in taxes though...

I’d definitely trade my 3% income tax boost for a 3% reduction in consumer good pricing. Government get to subsidizing MY STUFF!

[packman80]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Trump wouldn't raise taxes. No republican would, no republican congress would.

Biden however; yes. He has no choice. Raising taxes represents a win on taking more from the rich, even if it means taking more from everyone else. It's in the handbook.

The handbook is always raise taxes but leave loopholes for the rich to find to cut their taxes while the middle class takes it up the rear in paying more.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by rman112

That's where we disagree. I don't think don't think having specifically one-sides, dissenting opinions pushed down isn't a change, and/or basically nothing to worry about.

As far as the politicians go, moreso than the people .. I think an interesting question relating to all this would be: Do you think it's possible for AOC or Omar to climb the political latter?

Omar will never get higher then she is. Foriegn born will never be able to run for VP or president. Also she's a radical clear she is anti-semtic how she speaks. Only reason she is in office is because of her district being a high amount of somila nationals.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Meh.

I definitely do spend more than I pay in taxes though...

I’d definitely trade my 3% income tax boost for a 3% reduction in consumer good pricing. Government get to subsidizing MY STUFF!

Most everyone in the 99% does. And to be clear, I'm no fan of tariffs and wish the world did away with them. But that's not real life, so I have Wikibuy to make sure the stuff I buy is the cheapest POS available.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by packman80

The handbook is always raise taxes but leave loopholes for the rich to find to cut their taxes while the middle class takes it up the rear in paying more.

This guy gets it!!

Though Biden’s proposed rates are the same as Trumps sans $400K+. That ain’t me!

[packman80]

2024 guy who I think would be good to run for office because he's not really left or right is Mark Cuban. He would be a guy who would say hey rich we all need to pay our share of taxes but also would not be with all this socialist BS the far left wants to push

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

democrat bad

but he's asian. Or is that double trouble around here?

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If you're talking about VAT, it's an interesting approach for a country as large as the US but the left would never allow it. Hits low income too much; would never fly in the urban areas of the country.

He's also proponent of UBI.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

but he's asian. Or is that double trouble around here?

Stop. Just stop.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

but he's asian. Or is that double trouble around here?

He's also proponent of UBI.

Sure, but that's not something in the mainstream right now. Doesn't make much sense to me but also haven't really given it the time to consider.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by marl1220

It comes from our younger citizens. I really don't want to know what we'll look like in 20-30 years.

Ehh I feel like that's always been a thing. Once people find their way they move less progressive because they realized that capitalism does work if you try correctly. It's just hard for some people coming out of college to believe they will ever be out of debt. When you're 65, you already went through life and realized that you don't need communism. I think the younger generation will always support socialism but I think the older democrats will level them out. I think the radical left is just a lot louder. Maybe I'm wrong though, you would know better than me.

[NeedChapmans]

I can't believe these are the headlines of 2020. LOL.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/st-louis-...171108171.html

[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I can't believe these are the headlines of 2020. LOL.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/st-louis-...171108171.html

I laughed out loud.

[ballhawkdawk]

In regard to the “where is this radical change you speak of?” I don’t believe it’s so much that “things are terrible... the sky is falling,” as it is that many people are looking at how easily a movement like BLM can dominate the social discourse, sway public opinion, and influence political leaders, and the people seeing this don’t like the direction of things. And no, it’s not because they’re racist and wear their KKK outfit while hollering whenever they see Trump on TV. It’s because they see cancel culture steamrolling everything in its path. People are losing their jobs because they didn’t say exactly the right thing exactly the right way.

That’s not even getting into the fact that the premise of BLM is hardly as concrete as the movement and media make it out to be. Don’t take my word for it. I can point you to many black sources that know the data better than any of us do, and they aren’t buying it. Ask and I’ll share. Some of them were already posted in here.

Minneapolis is taking steps to abolish their police force. How realistic is that? I don’t know. But the fact that it’s moving through the political chain means it’s serious enough. I don’t think I need to explain why this isn’t something I’m down with.

The BLM leader in Toronto says whites are subhuman and that “melanin directly communicates with cosmic energy.” I don’t have to go very far to find someone who supports BLM, and while they may not be aware that some BLM leaders believe this, it’s out there, and it’s being perpetuated by BLM leaders, not the radical fringe of BLM.

Do I think BLM is some direct threat to my well-being? Not really. But I see the kind of messages being sent, many of which aren’t wholly accurate, and I see the effects of those messages on people who haven’t committed some ultimate sin by my standards. Stabbing someone is far worse to me than having a terrible set of beliefs or poorly placing an ignorant comment, yet I think we’d be more inclined to welcome the violent criminal back into society at this point. And no, I’m not suggesting that everyone who says something racist should get to keep their job. I’m suggesting that maybe the professor who writes a snarky reply back to students who demand he give out a high mark to the black students shouldn’t be forced to leave his job for it. Private university does what private university wants or something something, but that’s 100% a pressure move created by BLM when he should’ve never had to address such a ridiculous inquiry in the first place.

Admittedly, I’ve only started paying attention to this circus known as politics very recently, but some of this stuff “feels” more real than anything I’ve been alive for.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Sure, but that's not something in the mainstream right now. Doesn't make much sense to me but also haven't really given it the time to consider.

It's not and definitely not something the establishment Dems want to address.

Give Yang a listen if you're interested. He's a smart dude and in my opinion more in line with where I hope the Dem party will go in 4 years. He's only 45 so actually seems to care about the future.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

It's not and definitely not something the establishment Dems want to address.

Give Yang a listen if you're interested. He's a smart dude and in my opinion more in line with where I hope the Dem party will go in 4 years. He's only 45 so actually seems to care about the future.

I've listened plenty, seems like a smart, good guy. And if he gains more traction in the next round, I'll probably consider his ideas a lot more. Neighbor still has his Yang Gang 2020 sign out in the yard; makes me smile every time I drive buy it, wondering "does he know it's over?"

[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I've listened plenty, seems like a smart, good guy. And if he gains more traction in the next round, I'll probably consider his ideas a lot more. Neighbor still has his Yang Gang 2020 sign out in the yard; makes me smile every time I drive buy it, wondering "does he know it's over?"

You might want to make sure he's still alive..

[rman112]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

In regard to the “where is this radical change you speak of?” I don’t believe it’s so much that “things are terrible... the sky is falling,” as it is that many people are looking at how easily a movement like BLM can dominate the social discourse, sway public opinion, and influence political leaders, and the people seeing this don’t like the direction of things. And no, it’s not because they’re racist and wear their KKK outfit while hollering whenever they see Trump on TV. It’s because they see cancel culture steamrolling everything in its path. People are losing their jobs because they didn’t say exactly the right thing exactly the right way.

That’s not even getting into the fact that the premise of BLM is hardly as concrete as the movement and media make it out to be. Don’t take my word for it. I can point you to many black sources that know the data better than any of us do, and they aren’t buying it. Ask and I’ll share. Some of them were already posted in here.

Minneapolis is taking steps to abolish their police force. How realistic is that? I don’t know. But the fact that it’s moving through the political chain means it’s serious enough. I don’t think I need to explain why this isn’t something I’m down with.

The BLM leader in Toronto says whites are subhuman and that “melanin directly communicates with cosmic energy.” I don’t have to go very far to find someone who supports BLM, and while they may not be aware that some BLM leaders believe this, it’s out there, and it’s being perpetuated by BLM leaders, not the radical fringe of BLM.

Do I think BLM is some direct threat to my well-being? Not really. But I see the kind of messages being sent, many of which aren’t wholly accurate, and I see the effects of those messages on people who haven’t committed some ultimate sin by my standards. Stabbing someone is far worse to me than having a terrible set of beliefs or poorly placing an ignorant comment, yet I think we’d be more inclined to welcome the violent criminal back into society at this point. And no, I’m not suggesting that everyone who says something racist should get to keep their job. I’m suggesting that maybe the professor who writes a snarky reply back to students who demand he give out a high mark to the black students shouldn’t be forced to leave his job for it. Private university does what private university wants or something something, but that’s 100% a pressure move created by BLM when he should’ve never had to address such a ridiculous inquiry in the first place.

Admittedly, I’ve only started paying attention to this circus known as politics very recently, but some of this stuff “feels” more real than anything I’ve been alive for.

I would probably enjoy smoking a marijuana cigarette with you.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rman112

I would probably enjoy smoking a marijuana cigarette with you.

Progressive

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I read your perspective. It's based on the sweeping generalization that immigrants from 200+ countries across the entire world are forming a unified, coordinated effort to ruin America by magically indoctrinating them into a system that hates freedom.

It's Breitbart tin foil hat nonsense.

This is how you dialogue:

(fabricated) ex. The Russian oligarchy is taking over the Earth and have created Breitbart news in an attempt to seize power from Americans.
Why do you think this is good?

Huh?


Let me explain. If someone from China sets foot on American soil and we give them a piece of paper that says they are an American citizen, do they suddenly share our American beliefs and values?

If you were granted Japanese citizenship, would you suddenly acquire all of their values and beliefs? No, it is silly to believe that.

Our education system used to take immigrants and teach them about our history and the amazing things we did to spread freedom and liberty in the world. That is not the case now.

We have a Marxist political movement, supported by every powerful institution in America, that wants to forever change the American way of life. This isn’t some “fringe group”. These are the heavy hitters and it has filtered into every aspect of American life, it is impossible to avoid.