2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Mueller proved it - so are you saying the DoJ spying on Fox hosts as nonsense?

Dear God. Seek help.

[Jgil316]

Thank you to Blowout for allowing us to have a place to rant, be foolish and have some good matured fun!!!!

I don't agree with everyone here - but I do agree we all have the right to say what we want.
I am off to make a cold ass drink

To you and your families - be and stay safe
We will get through all of this, together

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Trump doing excellent work. The link you posted ... wow. That sir, is a list of accomplishments.

Well, then....I hope you didn't read it.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Woj ... sounds like a nice guy.

Sent from my iPhone


God bless you Woj

[rman112]

The wall was brought up, and Mexican drug dealers.

I haven't heard much about the drug crisis in the country lately. Even before covid. Is it possible that taking a stronger stance against cartels worked?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Thank you to Blowout for allowing us to have a place to rant, be foolish and have some good matured fun!!!!

I don't agree with everyone here - but I do agree we all have the right to say what we want.
I am off to make a cold ass drink

To you and your families - be and stay safe
We will get through all of this, together

Way to cut the conversation short and bow out without answering the question. Good job.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Thank you for clarifying and I respect that.

I was born in 72 and lived through the Reagan years, although young - I still believe he did a good job, at that time for the climate.
I wasn't a fan of Bush Sr
I did like Clinton
I liked Bush Jr and believe the speech he gave Sept 11, 2001 was one of the best I had ever heard.
I liked Obama

So there you have it - you know who I voted for in the elections I could vote for

I get my news from many different outlets before I try and form an opinion. I will agree I lean left - however that does not mean I agree with it all.....

I don't care how you vote and I never even said how I vote so I'm curious why you are bringing this up. All I'm saying is I haven't experienced a society that wasn't polarized. I mentioned age to just show you that I don't know what a non polarized society looks like. I was too young to know how the country pulled together for 9/11 so in my life I have only seen hatred and division. That's why I know it didn't start with Trump. I don't know what unity looks like.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Well, then....I hope you didn't read it.

March 20, 2018: The Department of Education reiterated that the Trump administration would refuse to allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms based on their gender identity, countering multiple court rulings reaffirming that transgender students are protected under Title IX."

May 15, 2020: The Department of Education issued a letter declaring that the federal Title IX rule requires school to ban transgender students from participating in school sports, and threatening to withhold funding from Connecticut schools if they do not comply.

Common sense policy. Good for Trump. (As are the rest).

[free2131]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

March 20, 2018: The Department of Education reiterated that the Trump administration would refuse to allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms based on their gender identity, countering multiple court rulings reaffirming that transgender students are protected under Title IX."

May 15, 2020: The Department of Education issued a letter declaring that the federal Title IX rule requires school to ban transgender students from participating in school sports, and threatening to withhold funding from Connecticut schools if they do not comply.

Common sense policy. Good for Trump. (As are the rest).

Even if you believe that Gender Dysphoria is only a psychological condition, one of the treatments is transitioning. Forcing children to go to the restroom that doesn't conform to their gender identity can have devastating psychological effects. Transgendered people are already at higher risk of suicide even without that.

So, not only is it cruel, it also goes against medical advice and treatment. Seems like a hallmark of this administration, no?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by free2131

Even if you believe that Gender Dysphoria is only a psychological condition, one of the treatments is transitioning. Forcing children to go to the restroom that doesn't conform to their gender identity can have devastating psychological effects. Transgendered people are already at higher risk of suicide even without that.

So, not only is it cruel, it also goes against medical advice and treatment. Seems like a hallmark of this administration, no?

It's a refusal to identify with yourself. Making everyone else go along with that doesn't "help" anyone.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by free2131

Even if you believe that Gender Dysphoria is only a psychological condition, one of the treatments is transitioning. Forcing children to go to the restroom that doesn't conform to their gender identity can have devastating psychological effects. Transgendered people are already at higher risk of suicide even without that.

So, not only is it cruel, it also goes against medical advice and treatment. Seems like a hallmark of this administration, no?

No, it is the hallmark of the left to force the world to transition to them.

What continues to be cruel is to argue that the needs of the few must not only be recognized, without argument, but adapted to at all costs.

Lunacy.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by free2131

Even if you believe that Gender Dysphoria is only a psychological condition, one of the treatments is transitioning. Forcing children to go to the restroom that doesn't conform to their gender identity can have devastating psychological effects. Transgendered people are already at higher risk of suicide even without that.

So, not only is it cruel, it also goes against medical advice and treatment. Seems like a hallmark of this administration, no?

This may sound stupid but follow along. What is the purpose of bathrooms? Isn't it to create privacy for people who are trying to do their business? There is a reason we don't allow females into the males bathroom or vice versa. It defeats the purpose of privacy. I don't have a problem with transgender people but when I go to the bathroom I'd feel if uncomfortable if there is a woman there and it doesn't matter if it was someone who was always a woman or someone who transitioned from a woman

[free2131]

Originally Posted by rman112

It's a refusal to identify with yourself. Making everyone else go along with that doesn't "help" anyone.

How is allowing a person to go to the restroom of their gender identity making everyone else "go along with it"? As far as I know, there isn't a law that says you must believe that biological sex determines gender.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, it is the hallmark of the left to force the world to transition to them.

What continues to be cruel is to argue that the needs of the few must not only be recognized, without argument, but adapted to at all costs.

Lunacy.

When it becomes federal law that all people must believe and support LGBTQ+ ideas, maybe you'd have a point. Again, how does your life change by allowing people to use the restroom of their gender identity? Is it only...

Originally Posted by mike1498

This may sound stupid but follow along. What is the purpose of bathrooms? Isn't it to create privacy for people who are trying to do their business? There is a reason we don't allow females into the males bathroom or vice versa. It defeats the purpose of privacy. I don't have a problem with transgender people but when I go to the bathroom I'd feel if uncomfortable if there is a woman there and it doesn't matter if it was someone who was always a woman or someone who transitioned from a woman

Aren't the right the ones who make fun of people that want others to change their behaviors if it makes them "uncomfortable"? Unless you have to sit in a stall with another person, what does it matter to you? It matters a hell of a lot more to them, be it mentally or medically. I'm sorry if I don't feel your "comfort" is worth the mental wellbeing of another person.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by MattDMC

And Whitmer has now made it a misdemeanor punishable by up to a $500 fine for not wearing a mask.

"Lansing, Mich. (WLNS) — Governor Gretchen Whitmer signed an executive order today mandating everyone to wear a face mask when they are inside a public space.

It also requires the use of face maskin crowded outdoor spaces. Most significantly, the order requires any business that is open to the public to refuse entry or service to people who refuse to wear a face mask, with limited exceptions.

Those who are exempt from wearing a mask in Michigan businesses include people younger than five years old, those who cannot medically tolerate a face covering, and those who are eating or drinking while seated at a food service establishment.

A willful violation of the order is a misdemeanor subject to a $500 criminal penalty, but no term of confinement may be imposed on individuals who violate the mask requirement."

https://www.wlns.com/news/michigan/w...Fwnr4Bo48zmy54

I was just at my local, NY, Walmart. They have only one entrance to the store open (there are usually 3) and the "In/Out" doors sectioned off. Two employees are at the entrance telling anyone that doesn't have a mask will not be allowed in the store. One employee said some one complained and claimed they just go to the Walmart 10 miles down the road. Apparently she'll get the same reception there as, according to the employee, this rule came from the home office and goes for all Walmarts country wide.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, it is the hallmark of the left to force the world to transition to them.

What continues to be cruel is to argue that the needs of the few must not only be recognized, without argument, but adapted to at all costs.

Lunacy.

The left says the World must stop to protect the small portion of the population from COVID-19.

The left says the World must stop to protect the small portion of the population effected by police brutality.

The left says the World must stop to protect the small portion of the population effected by legislation effecting the transgender community.

If I want to live my life as I please in a COVID world, I am branded a monster. If I want to support the police, I am branded a monster. If I want my daughter to plays sports against other girls, I am branded a monster. My position is reasonable, normal, ETHICAL AND MORAL. And yet, I am branded a monster.

But I am one happy monster.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by free2131

How is allowing a person to go to the restroom of their gender identity making everyone else "go along with it"? As far as I know, there isn't a law that says you must believe that biological sex determines gender.

Seriously? It's a delusion. People aren't born into the wrong bodies. There are cases where people are born with both genitalia, but that's not what we're talking about here. In what way is is NOT going along with it?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by free2131

When it becomes federal law that all people must believe and support LGBTQ+ ideas, maybe you'd have a point. Again, how does your life change by allowing people to use the restroom of their gender identity? Is it only...

I live for my children. The answer to your question is simple. My six year old daughter should not be in a bathroom with a 42 year old man.

My argument wins 100% of the time.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The left says the World must stop to protect the small portion of the population from COVID-19.

The left says the World must stop to protect the small portion of the population effected by police brutality.

The left says the World must stop to protect the small portion of the population effected by legislation effecting the transgender community.

If I want to live my life as I please in a COVID world, I am branded a monster. If I want to support the police, I am branded a monster. If I want my daughter to plays sports against other girls, I am branded a monster. My position is reasonable, normal, ETHICAL AND MORAL. And yet, I am branded a monster.

But I am one happy monster.

You sure? What I just read seemed like a whole bunch of non sequiturs and"F#$k everyone else so long as I am not inconvenienced."

Doesn't seem very ethical or moral to me.

[btmcrushers]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

It's not about just race but across the spectrum.

I will keep this simple and short because I will not be here at some points during day.

LGBTQ+
https://transequality.org/the-discri...administration

Race
Travel ban on several predominantly Muslim countries
The Wall - coupled with calling Mexicans drug dealers, murderers, and rapists. Bad hombres
Immigration detention (over the top with separating families)
DACA


Again, these are the few of the backwards policies that Trump has initiated.

I am going to go play with my kids. See all later.

In regards to the bold you do know you can find video evidence of Clinton, Obama, Pelosi and Biden all talking about enforcing tougher immigration laws on the southern border during various parts of their political tenures?

You do realize that under the Obama administration there were immigration detention centers?

Just checking............

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by free2131

How is allowing a person to go to the restroom of their gender identity making everyone else "go along with it"? As far as I know, there isn't a law that says you must believe that biological sex determines gender.



When it becomes federal law that all people must believe and support LGBTQ+ ideas, maybe you'd have a point. Again, how does your life change by allowing people to use the restroom of their gender identity? Is it only...



Aren't the right the ones who make fun of people that want others to change their behaviors if it makes them "uncomfortable"? Unless you have to sit in a stall with another person, what does it matter to you? It matters a hell of a lot more to them, be it mentally or medically. I'm sorry if I don't feel your "comfort" is worth the mental wellbeing of another person.

So why should everyone bend for "their" needs/wants? Why shouldn't it be the other way around? You're argument of what "matters" can be argued both ways. It matters to me a whole hell of a lot that a man not be allowed in the same bathroom as my daughter.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by free2131

Even if you believe that Gender Dysphoria is only a psychological condition, one of the treatments is transitioning. Forcing children to go to the restroom that doesn't conform to their gender identity can have devastating psychological effects. Transgendered people are already at higher risk of suicide even without that.

So, not only is it cruel, it also goes against medical advice and treatment. Seems like a hallmark of this administration, no?

You can call it "forcing children to go to the restroom that doesn't conform to their gender identity," and I can call it "not allowing children to go to the restroom that doesn't align with their birth certificate." There are a lot of diddlers out there... I'm not comfortable adding loopholes for them to exploit. I'm not comfortable with a male going into the same bathroom as my daughter because he says he feels like a woman. I don't care whose feelings that hurts, but my daughter's physical safety matters more to me than anyone's emotional safety. I believe that part of life is learning to adapt as an individual to the world around you, especially if you are the exception.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by rman112

Seriously? It's a delusion. People aren't born into the wrong bodies. There are cases where people are born with both genitalia, but that's not what we're talking about here. In what way is is NOT going along with it?

So you deny the existence of Gender Dysphoria as a mental illness? Or science?

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I live for my children. The answer to your question is simple. My six year old daughter should not be in a bathroom with a 42 year old man.

My argument wins 100% of the time.

You have every right to not go to a restroom in a private business open to the public that allows patrons to use the restroom conforming to their gender identify. You also have every right to not allow a transgered person to use you bathroom at home. You also have every right to use debunked scare tactics to argue your point.

[marl1220]

Once again. Stupidity and it's consequences.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/us/mi...rnd/index.html

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by free2131

How is allowing a person to go to the restroom of their gender identity making everyone else "go along with it"? As far as I know, there isn't a law that says you must believe that biological sex determines gender.



When it becomes federal law that all people must believe and support LGBTQ+ ideas, maybe you'd have a point. Again, how does your life change by allowing people to use the restroom of their gender identity? Is it only...



Aren't the right the ones who make fun of people that want others to change their behaviors if it makes them "uncomfortable"? Unless you have to sit in a stall with another person, what does it matter to you? It matters a hell of a lot more to them, be it mentally or medically. I'm sorry if I don't feel your "comfort" is worth the mental wellbeing of another person.

Okay so are you in support for a bathrooms for any gender? Because if privacy doesn't matter than why even have male and female bathrooms. Serious question.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by free2131

So you deny the existence of Gender Dysphoria as a mental illness? Or science?

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age.



You have every right to not go to a restroom in a private business open to the public that allows patrons to use the restroom conforming to their gender identify. You also have every right to not allow a transgered person to use you bathroom at home. You also have every right to use debunked scare tactics to argue your point.

How did I know this BS excuse was coming. Try to come up with reason that doesn't conform to the liberal reasoning that if you don't agree with us, we'll force you to.