PITCHERS: Official Thread of the Hobby’s Outcast Position - Page 104

theredmenace · 02-27-2024, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSlim16

It’s been great seeing so much buzz around so many different pitchers this offseason, even more than last year it seems.

I really think that with all the publicly available information there is for pitchers these days (Statcast metrics, Stuff+, Pitching Ninja videos, etc) that we’re going to see more interest in pitchers grow in the hobby as well.

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I agree. There's also the lower cost of entry into pitcher cards. Taj Bradley has been my go to guy this offseason if I wanted to get a particular card type/parallel in hand before making a bigger PC purchase.

ScooterD · 02-28-2024, 09:58 AM

Which one of you got the Miller Heritage gold refractor?

DLub8 · 02-28-2024, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

Which one of you got the Miller Heritage gold refractor?

Was going to ask the same question about this and the Eury black that sold last night

MiamiMarlinsFan · 02-28-2024, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DLub8

Was going to ask the same question about this and the Eury black that sold last night

I was in on that for a bit, but had to back off. Wasn’t thrilled with the centering.

DLub8 · 02-28-2024, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I was in on that for a bit, but had to back off. Wasn’t thrilled with the centering.

I bowed out at $75 for the same reason, but would've dealt with it up to that price

DLub8 · 02-28-2024, 05:49 PM

Just picked up a johnlocke36 special from my favorite non-eBay app

LVDan · 02-28-2024, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DLub8

Just picked up a johnlocke36 special from my favorite non-eBay app

nice!

johnlocke36 · 02-28-2024, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DLub8

Just picked up a johnlocke36 special from my favorite non-eBay app

great looking card, the very rare non rookie debut versions rarely surface for sale it seems.

In recent miller news, he said he expects hell gain like 2 mph on his fastball if used out of the pen. Because most of my investment is predicated on pitching ninja videos of him throwing 104, this could be good.

On other news the A's took that information and said lets use him as middle relief instead because they are the Oakland A's and would hate to lett Trveor Gott go to waste.

cjraleigh · 02-28-2024, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

Which one of you got the Miller Heritage gold refractor?

Thought I had a shot, but it was too rich in the end.

cjraleigh · 02-28-2024, 07:43 PM

Re: B. Miller...I hope the seller of the debut patch redemption eventually moves it off that $30k BIN/BO. He said he's had a few offers. Can't see even $10k being reasonable....maybe 5?

DLub8 · 02-28-2024, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cjraleigh

Re: B. Miller...I hope the seller of the debut patch redemption eventually moves it off that $30k BIN/BO. He said he's had a few offers. Can't see even $10k being reasonable....maybe 5?

The issue there is no names have done $2500 plus consistently- which is nuts.

LVDan · 02-28-2024, 09:37 PM

The issue is, to me at least is that these are the cigarette boats in the driveway of the respective players- especially the update guys with a more limited selection of RC cards. Great looking significant cards for sure but the fanfare in which they were rolled out with is demanding a big premium over what they’d draw otherwise. Id love to own one of one of my guys but refuse to pony up some ridiculous number to bring it home only as a show off piece destined to lose value unless they were to develop into a perennial all star- even then it could drop precipitously in resale value.

eye4talent · 02-28-2024, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DLub8

The issue there is no names have done $2500 plus consistently- which is nuts.

I didn’t know those cards existed. What’s wrong with people, paying $5200 for a Drew Maggi and $3700 for McKinley Moore?? The Phillies DFA’d Moore a couple weeks ago, because he was expendable.

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DLub8 · 02-29-2024, 12:08 PM

Did one of you get the Grayson Heritage Throwback on me? I had an offer in at $300 when it got listed but seems someone beat me to it at $325

ScooterD · 02-29-2024, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DLub8

Did one of you get the Grayson Heritage Throwback on me? I had an offer in at $300 when it got listed but seems someone beat me to it at $325

Not me - I would have been where you were

eye4talent · 02-29-2024, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DLub8

Did one of you get the Grayson Heritage Throwback on me? I had an offer in at $300 when it got listed but seems someone beat me to it at $325

Were you on that even before I tried egging you on to buy it?

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DLub8 · 02-29-2024, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

Were you on that even before I tried egging you on to buy it?

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I was! I tried to message you back but your PM’s were full. I was on that pretty quickly. Your egging me on message may have pushed me to a purchase if I I had gotten a counter offer from the seller

johnlocke36 · 02-29-2024, 02:22 PM

Been tracking most of my heavier off-season bags so far (not counting Grayson and Eury) because like to fire K props when available and figure my rationale for buying them in off season translates well. 10 innings, 1 run 18 Ks to start. While this is literally completely meaningless (except for prop stuff) it makes me very excited about the season. Which will eventually turn to sadness as teams refuse ti give
Most of these guys a chance to be a starter

DLub8 · 02-29-2024, 03:07 PM

A nice Eury and a non RC for Bobby, but price was too good to pass up. Don't think I'll be hanging on to the Bobby for too long.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 02-29-2024, 06:48 PM

Good luck to everyone on that Bobby Miller black tonight. I’m assuming we’re all in that mosh pit throwing elbows?

DLub8 · 02-29-2024, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Good luck to everyone on that Bobby Miller black tonight. I’m assuming we’re all in that mosh pit throwing elbows?

I’m out on that one since I got mine earlier this month. Will definitely be watching though!

johnlocke36 · 02-29-2024, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Good luck to everyone on that Bobby Miller black tonight. I’m assuming we’re all in that mosh pit throwing elbows?

I’m on the Frasso/Ferris/knack train

LVDan · 03-01-2024, 04:22 PM

Another nice little outing for Rayguns
Not as explosive with the K numbers but some weak pop ups and grounders always work nicely too
Starting to get a little conflicted on how much to sell vs keep. Historically when I hit on one of these older pitchers I just burn everything and move onto the next guy but if his arm manages to stay attached maybe he really could be a CYA level performer sooner rather than later.
It looks like Big Unit level stuff from the left side and even in this day of increased velocity and wipeout junk that is rare.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 03-01-2024, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

Another nice little outing for Rayguns
Not as explosive with the K numbers but some weak pop ups and grounders always work nicely too
Starting to get a little conflicted on how much to sell vs keep. Historically when I hit on one of these older pitchers I just burn everything and move onto the next guy but if his arm manages to stay attached maybe he really could be a CYA level performer sooner rather than later.
It looks like Big Unit level stuff from the left side and even in this day of increased velocity and wipeout junk that is rare.

Seems like you’re in a good spot to do both. I would sell a few cards that you have the biggest margins on and hold a few for fun. I think KC could be a contender in the AL Central this year.

johnlocke36 · 03-01-2024, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

Another nice little outing for Rayguns
Not as explosive with the K numbers but some weak pop ups and grounders always work nicely too
Starting to get a little conflicted on how much to sell vs keep. Historically when I hit on one of these older pitchers I just burn everything and move onto the next guy but if his arm manages to stay attached maybe he really could be a CYA level performer sooner rather than later.
It looks like Big Unit level stuff from the left side and even in this day of increased velocity and wipeout junk that is rare.

I’ve been trying to buy more lately because I truly think he may be best pitcher in baseball this year (not counting degrom and of course mason miller if given the chance) but most of his stuff is getting up there.

That being said I just overpaid for 2 ragans cards I needed for my 2023 cosmic rainbow. Now have the /25 /10 /5 and the super

How hi can his prices go I have no idea but I’m sure it’s somewhat capped given his age and playijng for the royals

02-28-2024, 07:43 PM	#2585
cjraleigh Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1,070 cjraleigh	Re: B. Miller...I hope the seller of the debut patch redemption eventually moves it off that $30k BIN/BO. He said he's had a few offers. Can't see even $10k being reasonable....maybe 5? Last edited by cjraleigh; 02-28-2024 at 07:46 PM.

02-28-2024, 09:37 PM	#2587
LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,873	The issue is, to me at least is that these are the cigarette boats in the driveway of the respective players- especially the update guys with a more limited selection of RC cards. Great looking significant cards for sure but the fanfare in which they were rolled out with is demanding a big premium over what they’d draw otherwise. Id love to own one of one of my guys but refuse to pony up some ridiculous number to bring it home only as a show off piece destined to lose value unless they were to develop into a perennial all star- even then it could drop precipitously in resale value. __________________ So we cheated and we lied and we tested. And we never failed to fail; it was the easiest thing to do.

03-01-2024, 04:22 PM	#2598
LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,873	Another nice little outing for Rayguns Not as explosive with the K numbers but some weak pop ups and grounders always work nicely too Starting to get a little conflicted on how much to sell vs keep. Historically when I hit on one of these older pitchers I just burn everything and move onto the next guy but if his arm manages to stay attached maybe he really could be a CYA level performer sooner rather than later. It looks like Big Unit level stuff from the left side and even in this day of increased velocity and wipeout junk that is rare. __________________ So we cheated and we lied and we tested. And we never failed to fail; it was the easiest thing to do.

02-28-2024, 09:58 AM	#2577
ScooterD Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 5,676	Which one of you got the Miller Heritage gold refractor?

02-28-2024, 05:49 PM	#2581
DLub8 Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,247	Just picked up a johnlocke36 special from my favorite non-eBay app

02-29-2024, 12:08 PM	#2589
DLub8 Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,247	Did one of you get the Grayson Heritage Throwback on me? I had an offer in at $300 when it got listed but seems someone beat me to it at $325

02-29-2024, 02:22 PM	#2593
johnlocke36 Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,100	Been tracking most of my heavier off-season bags so far (not counting Grayson and Eury) because like to fire K props when available and figure my rationale for buying them in off season translates well. 10 innings, 1 run 18 Ks to start. While this is literally completely meaningless (except for prop stuff) it makes me very excited about the season. Which will eventually turn to sadness as teams refuse ti give Most of these guys a chance to be a starter

02-29-2024, 03:07 PM	#2594
DLub8 Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,247	A nice Eury and a non RC for Bobby, but price was too good to pass up. Don't think I'll be hanging on to the Bobby for too long.

02-29-2024, 06:48 PM	#2595
MiamiMarlinsFan Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 14,467	Good luck to everyone on that Bobby Miller black tonight. I’m assuming we’re all in that mosh pit throwing elbows?