2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I mean, I'm right there with Sleeper and JDan and Heel—Trump is a terrible president.

He also has nothing to do with this teen, her treatment, or her death.

And yet every article devotes at least a paragraph to Trump having promoted the drug, despite hydroxychloroquine playing no significant role in the teen's treatment or eventual death.

This is insanity.

It sure is.
All Trump had to do was never bring up a drug he knew nothing about (and remains wholly unqualified to discuss, yet still does) and he'd never have opened himself to this criticism. A President's words are amplified and magnified, especially during a crisis. Previous presidents understood that. This Trump never learned to just be quiet once in a while. There's no reason to defend him. Trump's wounds are all self-inflicted, but he's hurt a lot of other people with his actions. Can't blame them for coming with the salt.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Why do you think I'm lying?

Anyone who thinks the response to Trump's horrid behavior is worse than Trump's horrid behavior was never voting for anyone other than Trump. This whole "I was on the fence 'cuz Trump IS an awful person but they're soooo mean to him, I'm voting for Trump just to get back at them" routine is baloney, and not the fresh kind. It's already played out.

Glad you're voting, though.
Cheers.

Originally Posted by Jgil316

For such a devout christian - listening to Pence spin and give mistruths is .......smh

Originally Posted by cnewby

Might want to work on your craft with some of the words you be slingin' around here.

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I am not following you, please clarify.

I mean that honestly.

Originally Posted by cnewby

Judging harshly those you don't align with politically, spreading hearsay, calling a lot of us cult members, simply saying "...how in the hell...".

You do you, but I'd hesitate to throw out there "devout christian" when you type/talk the same way as a lot of us simple folk.

This from someone who doesn't hesitate to come back here without even correcting the record, let alone apologizing after getting caught telling an outright lie last night.
What's worse?
What it means is that he's threatening to report you or trying to get someone else to.
You don't have to listen to this guy.
I don't even think he clects.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

The point you're making is that the media is dishonest and needs to be fact checked?

Is the NY Department of Health the media? Sorry, not following.

They released a report. You mocked it for the assumed bias.

Who are you expecting to fact check it?

Clearly not you, you don't have the ability nor inclination.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

@AP
New York hospitals released more than 6,300 recovering coronavirus patients into nursing homes at the pandemic's height. But state officials say the policy wasn't to blame for a high nursing home death toll and point to staffers who worked while infected.

..

I literally laughed out loud as I read it.

Honest question...is what you posted here honest reporting or biased reporting?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

Is the NY Department of Health the media? Sorry, not following.

They released a report. You mocked it for the assumed bias.

Who are you expecting to fact check it?

Clearly not you, you don't have the ability nor inclination.

What exactly are you implying? That the DOH is dishonest? Honest? That they, and/or the media need to be fact checked? That they don't need to be fact checked?

In other words.. What the hell are you talking about?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Did you even read this?

It says the study was done with healthcare workers in high risk wards, places that wearing full on medical grade PPE doesn't always work in keeping the virus away.

Seems pretty obvious that the medical masks would work better than cloth based masks in those situations, not really any ground breaking outcome.

To then use that to say people shouldn't be wearing cloth masks in general is just asinine. I'm shocked anyone was even allowed to do this study as they were then sending medical workers out there with likely insufficient equipment (not surprising it was in Thailand as I can't
see that study being approved here).

I did read it, cloth masks work just as good as no masks.

We can all agree that the best masks are the masks that surgerons use, and it goes down from there. But there's so much data showing that masks can harm the person wearing it.

Does it mean don't wear a mask? Naw, do you. But the chances of it protecting someone is not high.

Heck, more people are wearing masks now then they were in March, yet cases are by far the highest, now. But we are told to believe it's not due to more testing? Then what is it?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

Honest question...is what you posted here honest reporting or biased reporting?

What exactly is your point? That it's honest reporting, and that not ALL of the people in the media are dishonest, and that's the only point you've tried to make in regards to the media?

Or that it's dishonest reporting?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by jdandns

It sure is.
All Trump had to do was never bring up a drug he knew nothing about (and remains wholly unqualified to discuss, yet still does) and he'd never have opened himself to this criticism. A President's words are amplified and magnified, especially during a crisis. Previous presidents understood that. This Trump never learned to just be quiet once in a while. There's no reason to defend him. Trump's wounds are all self-inflicted, but he's hurt a lot of other people with his actions. Can't blame them for coming with the salt.

A drug that shows, early on of course, that it helps more than it hurts.

[discostu]

Not going to lie here rman112...I can't keep up with you.

It's dizzying.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Anyone who thinks the response to Trump's horrid behavior is worse than Trump's horrid behavior was never voting for anyone other than Trump. This whole "I was on the fence 'cuz Trump IS an awful person but they're soooo mean to him, I'm voting for Trump just to get back at them" routine is baloney, and not the fresh kind. It's already played out.

Translation:

"I was wrong."

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

Not going to lie here rman112...I can't keep up with you.

It's dizzying.

Go ahead and straight out make your point.

[jdandns]

Absolutely any report from any source that has any news they find unfavorable is immediately suspect to them, and summarily
ignored, dismissed with easy to remember initials like MSM or catchy phrases like "fake news".
At this point, that includes things they hear with their own ears and see with their own eyes.
It is truly an alternate universe they've repaired to.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

Go ahead and straight out make your point.

It's hardly worth the effort to go back through post by post to watch how this devolved.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by discostu

The media hatred is comical and sad.

Why?

We created it.

The bulk of the media catered to the needs of the consumer...the masses. Us.

Stuffing our eyes and ears with "breaking news" because we clamored for it. Shying away from deeper, in-depth investigations because we no longer had the desire or attention span to read it.

We asked for a constant barrage of little tidbits easy to consume.

And now we're shocked that bias and opinion come into the picture?

Embarrassing.

All news isn't corrupt, bad, slanted or full of misinformation.

The “Why?” is answered with examples on almost every page of this thread.

Who is “we”? I didn’t demand the current version of the media. The media hatred may be comical and sad to you, but to some of us we see the media as one of the driving forces of the divide within the country.

Here’s one example: NBC spliced the George Zimmerman 911 audio to make him sound racist. Throughout the trial, also portrayed him in a way to further drive the violent white offender/innocent black victim narrative, but the real crime is that they actually doctored audio to mold public opinion. They didn’t just provide a take with a sprinkle of bias; they literally created the bias.

[DegaBama]

At least I think we can all agree on one thing... the news sucks.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

It's hardly worth the effort to go back through post by post to watch how this devolved.

If you have a point outside of the people being the problem, instead of the media themselves, I'd imagine it'd be pretty simple to type out.

Is it simply that you wanted to meet 'You cant take any media at face value anymore' ... with ... 'All news isn't corrupt, bad, slanted or full of misinformation.' That you only wanted to speak on absolutes?

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Can you give me a couple of names of these journalists? Curious who you personally hold in high regard.

Maybe I use the word journalist too loosely? I’m not sure. I answers this once in this thread and I think they turned out to be more commentary than journalist. I think Matt Taibbi would quality but feel free to correct me. I like Noah Rothman, Jonah Goldberg and David French for more conservative information. I think Jane Coaston is good. Ken Klippenstein does a lot of great work with FOIA reporting. Andy Gno does good reporting regarding ANTIFA but can be more of an activist I guess. Alice Driver is good for immigration and border stuff. I like Nate Cohn and Dave Weigel for polls and election type stuff. Idk man there’s loads more. Nobody that’s on TV lol

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by jdandns

It sure is.
All Trump had to do was never bring up a drug he knew nothing about (and remains wholly unqualified to discuss, yet still does) and he'd never have opened himself to this criticism. A President's words are amplified and magnified, especially during a crisis. Previous presidents understood that. This Trump never learned to just be quiet once in a while. There's no reason to defend him. Trump's wounds are all self-inflicted, but he's hurt a lot of other people with his actions. Can't blame them for coming with the salt.

Same ol same ol, posting opinion like its fact. I just don't understand how someone who seems so intelligent can be so, well ignorant. Sometimes I swear you do it on purpose.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by jdandns

It sure is.
All Trump had to do was never bring up a drug he knew nothing about (and remains wholly unqualified to discuss, yet still does) and he'd never have opened himself to this criticism. A President's words are amplified and magnified, especially during a crisis. Previous presidents understood that. This Trump never learned to just be quiet once in a while. There's no reason to defend him. Trump's wounds are all self-inflicted, but he's hurt a lot of other people with his actions. Can't blame them for coming with the salt.

I feel like your participation in this thread is only serving to radicalize your views rather than prompt the kind of critical self-reflection that the exposure to diverse political views should.

“There’s no reason to defend him.”

In 2016, an interest in objective truth (like, say, about inauguration crowd sizes) was seen as attacking Trump.

Now in 2020, an interest in objective truth is seen as defending Trump.

All of us should frequently be asking ourselves: Is it becoming easier or harder for me to immediately dismiss the perspectives of others? Is it becoming easier or harder to interpret every new complex and uncertain issue according to my worldview?

The fact is that every 48 hours or so we’re being presented with the grayest of gray issues (was this knot a noose? where were his hands on this grainy video when the police fired? should we read this tweet as a dog whistle or take it at face value?) and being told to instantly take a strong position and defend it. And nobody is keeping score or following these stories to their conclusions, so no one is even able to keep track of accurate their worldview/default settings are.

We’re being socially conditioned.

We have to actively fight against it.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

Same ol same ol, posting opinion like its fact. I just don't understand how someone who seems so intelligent can be so, well ignorant. Sometimes I swear you do it on purpose.

Book smarts and street smarts are two very different things.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Maybe I use the word journalist too loosely? I’m not sure. I answers this once in this thread and I think they turned out to be more commentary than journalist. I think Matt Taibbi would quality but feel free to correct me. I like Noah Rothman, Jonah Goldberg and David French for more conservative information. I think Jane Coaston is good. Ken Klippenstein does a lot of great work with FOIA reporting. Andy Gno does good reporting regarding ANTIFA but can be more of an activist I guess. Alice Driver is good for immigration and border stuff. I like Nate Cohn and Dave Weigel for polls and election type stuff. Idk man there’s loads more. Nobody that’s on TV lol

I forgot to mention Yair Rosenberg but I just recently started following his work.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Anyone who thinks the response to Trump's horrid behavior is worse than Trump's horrid behavior was never voting for anyone other than Trump. This whole "I was on the fence 'cuz Trump IS an awful person but they're soooo mean to him, I'm voting for Trump just to get back at them" routine is baloney, and not the fresh kind. It's already played out.

Glad you're voting, though.
Cheers.

You implied I was a liar for saying I recently registered to vote. I provided evidence that shows I did just register. And now you're saying I'm voting for Trump because I think the Democrats are mean to him?

You honestly have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Maybe I use the word journalist too loosely? I’m not sure. I answers this once in this thread and I think they turned out to be more commentary than journalist. I think Matt Taibbi would quality but feel free to correct me. I like Noah Rothman, Jonah Goldberg and David French for more conservative information. I think Jane Coaston is good. Ken Klippenstein does a lot of great work with FOIA reporting. Andy Gno does good reporting regarding ANTIFA but can be more of an activist I guess. Alice Driver is good for immigration and border stuff. I like Nate Cohn and Dave Weigel for polls and election type stuff. Idk man there’s loads more. Nobody that’s on TV lol

I assume you listen to Rogan’s podcast?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I feel like your participation in this thread is only serving to radicalize your views rather than prompt the kind of critical self-reflection that the exposure to diverse political views should.

“There’s no reason to defend him.”

In 2016, an interest in objective truth (like, say, about inauguration crowd sizes) was seen as attacking Trump.

Now in 2020, an interest in objective truth is seen as defending Trump.

All of us should frequently be asking ourselves: Is it becoming easier or harder for me to immediately dismiss the perspectives of others? Is it becoming easier or harder to interpret every new complex and uncertain issue according to my worldview?

The fact is that every 48 hours or so we’re being presented with the grayest of gray issues (was this knot a noose? where were his hands on this grainy video when the police fired? should we read this tweet as a dog whistle or take it at face value?) and being told to instantly take a strong position and defend it. And nobody is keeping score or following these stories to their conclusions, so one is even able to keep track of accurate their worldview/default settings are.

We’re being socially conditioned.

We have to actively fight against it.

My first thought when I read this part was the Duke lacrosse case. When the story broke in 2006, it was big time news. They raped her. Three white men raped a black woman. That was the story. 10 years later, I saw that ESPN was putting out a 30 for 30 about it. Turns out they were exonerated. I had no idea.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

You implied I was a liar for saying I recently registered to vote. I provided evidence that shows I did just register. And now you're saying I'm voting for Trump because I think the Democrats are mean to him?

You honestly have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Did you know jdandns is a registered Republican, or so has claimed.