Ronald Acuña

[gabballplayer14]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

Nice looking card? Very. Somewhat rare? Sure. That being said, it will never overcome the fact that (a) there are a TON of Acuna RC autos, and (b) Finest has inferior brand recognition. That’s like saying his Bowman’s Best auto is going to take off. It will never happen.

Trout’s Finest RC auto is criminally undervalued and that’s his ONLY on card RC auto. Acuna has a much higher hill (of RC autos) to climb

Sadly, I agree. (I own 6)

[notfast]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

Nice looking card? Very. Somewhat rare? Sure. That being said, it will never overcome the fact that (a) there are a TON of Acuna RC autos, and (b) Finest has inferior brand recognition. That’s like saying his Bowman’s Best auto is going to take off. It will never happen.

Trout’s Finest RC auto is criminally undervalued and that’s his ONLY on card RC auto. Acuna has a much higher hill (of RC autos) to climb

And just like with Update stuff, Trout popularity and values will impact players like Acuna.

I also disagree with Finest having inferior recognition. Maybe compared to certain brands but it’s not Big League or Stadium Club

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

Nice looking card? Very. Somewhat rare? Sure. That being said, it will never overcome the fact that (a) there are a TON of Acuna RC autos, and (b) Finest has inferior brand recognition. That’s like saying his Bowman’s Best auto is going to take off. It will never happen.

Trout’s Finest RC auto is criminally undervalued and that’s his ONLY on card RC auto. Acuna has a much higher hill (of RC autos) to climb

I am curious which other rc autos you would put above this? As I stated I tend to veer from the masses but I put it at #2 behind the Heritage. Heck the Degrom finest from 2014 sells for more than Acuna. I think in a couple years they will be almost impossible to find.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

I am curious which other rc autos you would put above this? As I stated I tend to veer from the masses but I put it at #2 behind the Heritage. Heck the Degrom finest from 2014 sells for more than Acuna. I think in a couple years they will be almost impossible to find.

I had a brain fart and completely forgot about heritage. So yeah finest is #2 for me as well

[pewe]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

Nice looking card? Very. Somewhat rare? Sure. That being said, it will never overcome the fact that (a) there are a TON of Acuna RC autos, and (b) Finest has inferior brand recognition. That’s like saying his Bowman’s Best auto is going to take off. It will never happen.



Trout’s Finest RC auto is criminally undervalued and that’s his ONLY on card RC auto. Acuna has a much higher hill (of RC autos) to climb

Sad but true

With that said, no reason it can’t be a nice PC item, especially if someone likes Finest

Kind of like the opening day and stadium club options posted here... not as desired, but really fun for PCs


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[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by pewe

In opening day? There is also a red 1/1


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No - Big League

[jjeanius]

I would put Topps Chrome autos at #2.

After that there are dozens of other choices.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

No - Big League

Oops, my fault, meant to say Big League... the one rated parallel to the black and white is the red 1/1


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

I would put Topps Chrome autos at #2.

After that there are dozens of other choices.

Agree

The sneaky pick to me is actually the ‘83 autos... I like those and don’t feel they get enough love


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[wyguy11]

Drago also said the ‘83’s months back I remember reading it.


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by wyguy11

Drago also said the ‘83’s months back I remember reading it.


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@Khal is at least 4-months smarter than me, so makes sense


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[jjeanius]

so true. I follow Khal!

My main issue with the 83 autos is the fact that they are inserts.

I also wonder if Sapphire autos will start to gain traction if only because they are Sapphire. Horrible horizontal photo though (and Sapphire non-autos seem to be universally more popular than the autos)

[Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

I would put Topps Chrome autos at #2.

After that there are dozens of other choices.

I appreciate your input on this stuff. Always seems very level headed vs hyping your own epic holdings.

My own opinion (which is still a work in progress): I actually think #2 may be clustered and basically even around 3-4 products. Chrome at least seems like a wise pick for the long term due to brand-legacy.

I think it would be the clear #2 if it were the same case as Soto (only included in Crhome update with the preferred flagship image).

With Acuna, I feel like being in both series may slightly dilute the overall ROI potential though, and while I personally like both Acuna chrome images, it seems obvious that the value would be higher had one of the flagship images been included.

Originally Posted by jjeanius

so true. I follow Khal!

My main issue with the 83 autos is the fact that they are inserts.

I also wonder if Sapphire autos will start to gain traction if only because they are Sapphire. Horrible horizontal photo though (and Sapphire non-autos seem to be universally more popular than the autos)

I have 4 83 autos and while I like them and don't much personally care that many label them as "inserts," my main gripe is that they would look so much better on vintage stock. To me, they feel a bit incongruous with being vintage style but very thin and glossy. Cheap overall feel in-hand. All that said, I'm in the market for more 83's at fair pricing

[CoachBruno]

Originally Posted by Longhorn

I appreciate your input on this stuff. Always seems very level headed vs hyping your own epic holdings.

My own opinion (which is still a work in progress): I actually think #2 may be clustered and basically even around 3-4 products. Chrome at least seems like a wise pick for the long term due to brand-legacy.

I think it would be the clear #2 if it were the same case as Soto (only included in Crhome update with the preferred flagship image).

With Acuna, I feel like being in both series may slightly dilute the overall ROI potential though, and while I personally like both Acuna chrome images, it seems obvious that the value would be higher had one of the flagship images been included.

I think you and Court are on target here, though I lean toward Topps Chrome being clear #2 for the brand recognition. Heritage is way ahead, then TC autos, then cluster for 3-5. The gap between TC and 3-5 is smaller than the gap between Heritage and TC.

[CoachBruno]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

so true. I follow Khal!

My main issue with the 83 autos is the fact that they are inserts.

I also wonder if Sapphire autos will start to gain traction if only because they are Sapphire. Horrible horizontal photo though (and Sapphire non-autos seem to be universally more popular than the autos)

I wonder the same. The autos themselves on most seem to be real streaky and unattractive too. But SAPPHIRE!!

[jjeanius]

I would also point out that the TCU autos are sticker autos, which absolutely kills it for me. On top of that, TC came out first and (IMO) has a better image

[pewe]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

I would also point out that the TCU autos are sticker autos, which absolutely kills it for me. On top of that, TC came out first and (IMO) has a better image

This brings up a key question: why Topps??? Why???

TCU has been stickers for a few years now, but at one point seems like they were on-card... why the change???


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[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by Longhorn

I appreciate your input on this stuff. Always seems very level headed vs hyping your own epic holdings.

My own opinion (which is still a work in progress): I actually think #2 may be clustered and basically even around 3-4 products. Chrome at least seems like a wise pick for the long term due to brand-legacy.

I think it would be the clear #2 if it were the same case as Soto (only included in Crhome update with the preferred flagship image).

With Acuna, I feel like being in both series may slightly dilute the overall ROI potential though, and while I personally like both Acuna chrome images, it seems obvious that the value would be higher had one of the flagship images been included.



I have 4 83 autos and while I like them and don't much personally care that many label them as "inserts," my main gripe is that they would look so much better on vintage stock. To me, they feel a bit incongruous with being vintage style but very thin and glossy. Cheap overall feel in-hand. All that said, I'm in the market for more 83's at fair pricing

Very good conversation. No doubt Topps Chrome has the brand recognition but it does seem diluted with Chrome and Chrome update. I think it will always be easy to add a Topps Chrome auto to any collection. Not the same for the heritage (red ink especially) and the Finest down the road. The Trout analogy is not a good one with regard to Finest because he had base and autos with parallels. Any collector that wants an Acuna Finest knows there are only 99 versions available max. That’s why to me, the scarcity far outweighs the brand recognition. That and I have always been partial to the Finest designs. The rare Trout Finest throwbacks are some of my favorite cards.

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

I would also point out that the TCU autos are sticker autos, which absolutely kills it for me. On top of that, TC came out first and (IMO) has a better image

This I think we can all agree with!!

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

The Trout analogy is not a good one with regard to Finest because he had base and autos with parallels. Any collector that wants an Acuna Finest knows there are only 99 versions available max. That’s why to me, the scarcity far outweighs the brand recognition.

Trout has exactly 1216 on card RC autos. Total. All of them Finest. There are no “better” options.

How many on card RC autos does Acuna have? And...how many are “better” (on more desirable products)?

Are there only 99 Finest Acuna autos in all? Sure. But there are literally tens of thousands of Acuna on card RC autos, to the point where it would be tough to pull together a comprehensive list. And there are also many that are rarer, or have better brand recognition. Finest is a great looking card, but it’s really just a niche card that will appeal primarily to completists. It will never be the go-to/most desirable option for someone that has to have one nice on card Acuna RC auto

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

Trout has exactly 1216 on card RC autos. Total. All of them Finest. There are no “better” options.

How many on card RC autos does Acuna have? And...how many are “better” (on more desirable products)?

Are there only 99 Finest Acuna autos in all? Sure. But there are literally tens of thousands of Acuna on card RC autos, to the point where it would be tough to pull together a comprehensive list. And there are also many that are rarer, or have better brand recognition. Finest is a great looking card, but it’s really just a niche card that will appeal primarily to completists. It will never be the go-to/most desirable option for someone that has to have one nice on card Acuna RC auto

We will just have to agree to disagree. I will say you are right that it will never be the go to for someone just looking for 1 auto...because they won't be able to find one

[chris_ac]

I'm asking for it, but why do you all debate RC hierarchy from time to time? What is the net gain for trying to make a consensus on what the order of best RCs, autos, etc. is?

If Acuna Jr. does well, all his rookies will be fine so why re-iterate what's the best followed by 2, 3, down to 5 or whatever.

In other words, this is an exercise in what? Strictly to gauge future price jumps?

Trying to ask without judgement. I just notice it happens a ton on the baseball talk compared to other sports.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by chris_ac

I'm asking for it, but why do you all debate RC hierarchy from time to time? What is the net gain for trying to make a consensus on what the order of best RCs, autos, etc. is?

If Acuna Jr. does well, all his rookies will be fine so why re-iterate what's the best followed by 2, 3, down to 5 or whatever.

In other words, this is an exercise in what? Strictly to gauge future price jumps?

Trying to ask without judgement. I just notice it happens a ton on the baseball talk compared to other sports.

Good question @chris... I can tell you why I’ve enjoyed it over time: the introduction of new product, the popularity of existing product, what product a player is in, even the configuration and on/off card signatures seem to change with rapid pace in baseball. Feels like we are constantly trying to confirm what we personally think (like me: is stadium club gaining more popularity? Is heritage losing?)


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[Longhorn]

Originally Posted by chris_ac

I'm asking for it, but why do you all debate RC hierarchy from time to time? What is the net gain for trying to make a consensus on what the order of best RCs, autos, etc. is?

If Acuna Jr. does well, all his rookies will be fine so why re-iterate what's the best followed by 2, 3, down to 5 or whatever.

In other words, this is an exercise in what? Strictly to gauge future price jumps?

Trying to ask without judgement. I just notice it happens a ton on the baseball talk compared to other sports.

Can only speak for myself but wouldn't say I'm looking for consensus at all. More like I'm looking for knowledge I'm currently lacking, along with trying to formulate a plan for buying more and ultimately selling many when the timing is right. Does that make sense?

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by chris_ac

I'm asking for it, but why do you all debate RC hierarchy from time to time? What is the net gain for trying to make a consensus on what the order of best RCs, autos, etc. is?

If Acuna Jr. does well, all his rookies will be fine so why re-iterate what's the best followed by 2, 3, down to 5 or whatever.

In other words, this is an exercise in what? Strictly to gauge future price jumps?

Trying to ask without judgement. I just notice it happens a ton on the baseball talk compared to other sports.

Seems like a relevant topic to discuss on a baseball card forum.