Ronald Acuña

[yanksfan0134]

Originally Posted by dream34

There are a lot. I think picking up a Topps Chrome RC Refractor is always a good play. A Bowman Chrome RC Logo Refractor /499 isn't bad either and you could pick up both BC & TC RC logo Refractors for the price of an Update PSA 10. I would also throw in a Heritage Chrome /999 raw for the price of another Update PSA 10. Even if Acuna struggles, those cards will not dip much.

I love the look of the Heritage Chrome. How do you think the purples will hold up?

[dream34]

Originally Posted by pewe

These are great suggestions


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Thanks pewe, I try to give the best advice I can

Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

I love the look of the Heritage Chrome. How do you think the purples will hold up?

They look nice and have a chance to hold up well but I much rather prefer the /999 and think they're worth paying the premium for.

[gabballplayer14]

Originally Posted by KingInTheNorth

People don't forget... we don't care. To me anything from 2018 with a RC logo on it is considered a rookie.

Originally Posted by KingInTheNorth

No... base/base parallels.

I don't know what point your trying to make but you and I both know no one cares about the inserts.

Originally Posted by KingInTheNorth

I would own zero of them lol

You just proved the entire point of the complete set 698 vs. US250 argument. Not picking on you specifically, but the sequence of messages is exactly why TBP and others (and myself obviously) are campaigning against US250 as his de-facto “go-to” Rookie card (other than Bat Down).

There shouldn’t be a “base”US250 and a “Rookie Debut” US252 in the same set.

Topps royally screwed up by 1) not putting a “true” base Acuna is S1 (besides the Bat down SP) 2) using the same photo on Complete Set 698 and US250 and 3) including US250 and US252 in Update. He should only have one “RC” logo card in Update and it should be a Rookie Debut.

The only reason US250 is a “thing” is because of the hype on these boards from a vocal majority that says these are the right RC’s to own.

Of course, time will tell on these, and high tide raises all ships, but US250 should be way further down the totem pole than they currently are when it comes to his RC’s.

[wyguy11]

Originally Posted by pewe

Maybe different in other sports, but seems like lots of baseball collectors prefer ungraded... I know if I have an option I avoid graded, for instance

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Maybe a crap load of unopened product also


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[wyguy11]

Originally Posted by dream34

Lots of Acuna Bat Downs with defects, I think PSA 9's do great in the long run. I'll always be a Bat Down guy with Acuna, just too much for the Update to overcome. It might, but why even worry about it if you have better options available now.

How dare you !

Look at those sharpe corners on that 7 !




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[Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dream34

There are a lot. I think picking up a Topps Chrome RC Refractor is always a good play. A Bowman Chrome RC Logo Refractor /499 isn't bad either and you could pick up both BC & TC RC logo Refractors for the price of an Update PSA 10. I would also throw in a Heritage Chrome /999 raw for the price of another Update PSA 10. Even if Acuna struggles, those cards will not dip much.

Solid picks all around here.

Would suggest anyone looking for value to first assess goals and budget.

If looking for eye-appeal + something that might give nice roi from a lowish buy-in (say $200), I think yanksfan0134 could do a lot worse than Topps Chrome + some parallels/refractors.

Similar story with heritage but would be mindful of centering no matter the heritage issue (something that I ignored at my own peril when I first started building my Acuna collection last year). With the /999 vs the purple, would go /999 for sure. I opened something like 7 cases of retail blaster cases of 2018 HHN, and the purple refractors were really the only relatively easy pull from the entire product in my experience (hot boxes inserted one/case), and they don't look nearly as sharp as the /999 in my personal opinion.

All of that said, I think another option that might be even more fulfilling could be to save up for 1 special card. Maybe a Bat Down or SP/SSP or something else that catches your eye. I went pretty wide with Acuna myself and have accumulated something like 650 RC logos of his. But would say that the ones I get 80% of the enjoyment out of are the ones on the higher#@end.

Posted this months ago but here is a link to a gallery view of a database I made for my Acuna collection during the season last year: https://airtable.com/shrIS4qYhXqzRR0...lZ?blocks=hide

Haven't added a ton during the offseason but definitely need to update soon with additions and current price estimates.

[yanksfan0134]

Originally Posted by Longhorn

Solid picks all around here.

Would suggest anyone looking for value to first assess goals and budget.

If looking for eye-appeal + something that might give nice roi from a lowish buy-in (say $200), I think yanksfan0134 could do a lot worse than Topps Chrome + some parallels/refractors.

Similar story with heritage but would be mindful of centering no matter the heritage issue (something that I ignored at my own peril when I first started building my Acuna collection last year). With the /999 vs the purple, would go /999 for sure. I opened something like 7 cases of retail blaster cases of 2019 HHN, and the purple refractors were really the only relatively easy pull from the entire product in my experience (hot boxes inserted one/case), and they don't look nearly as sharp as the /999 in my personal opinion.

All of that said, I think another option that might be even more fulfilling could be to save up for 1 special card. Maybe a Bat Down or SP/SSP or something else that catches your eye. I went pretty wide with Acuna myself and have accumulated something like 650 RC logos of his. But would say that the ones I get 80% of the enjoyment out of are the ones on the higher#@end.

Posted this months ago but here is a link to a gallery view of a database I made for my Acuna collection during the season last year: https://airtable.com/shrIS4qYhXqzRR0...lZ?blocks=hide

Haven't added a ton during the offseason but definitely need to update soon with additions and current price estimates.

Thank you so much for this! With the print run of the bat down being so high, do you think there's better long term value with the 2018 Update Red and Blue shirt image variation? With the run being approx 1200 as opposed to 20000, there's a lot less of them out there for about $100 less. Just trying to exhaust my options before settling.

[Longhorn]

Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

Thank you so much for this! With the print run of the bat down being so high, do you think there's better long term value with the 2018 Update Red and Blue shirt image variation? With the run being approx 1200 as opposed to 20000, there's a lot less of them out there for about $100 less. Just trying to exhaust my options before settling.

Just my opinion but while the Red and Blue shirt SP is quite nice a also quite limited, it's got 0 chance of being the iconic offering that the Bat Down has a shot at being. I think both could provide similar roi in the short term but long term, I'm guessing a sharp Bat Down version will run laps around that specific SP, due to the image on the card not having the same appeal along with that SP being a bit watered down by even more limited and desirable SSPs in the same set.

[KingInTheNorth]

Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

You just proved the entire point of the complete set 698 vs. US250 argument. Not picking on you specifically, but the sequence of messages is exactly why TBP and others (and myself obviously) are campaigning against US250 as his de-facto “go-to” Rookie card (other than Bat Down).

There shouldn’t be a “base”US250 and a “Rookie Debut” US252 in the same set.

Topps royally screwed up by 1) not putting a “true” base Acuna is S1 (besides the Bat down SP) 2) using the same photo on Complete Set 698 and US250 and 3) including US250 and US252 in Update. He should only have one “RC” logo card in Update and it should be a Rookie Debut.

The only reason US250 is a “thing” is because of the hype on these boards from a vocal majority that says these are the right RC’s to own.

Of course, time will tell on these, and high tide raises all ships, but US250 should be way further down the totem pole than they currently are when it comes to his RC’s.

The US250 will always be the go-to "RC" and its probably solely because of the Trout update.

Not too many people care that some factory set RC came out before the update RC.

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by KingInTheNorth

The US250 will always be the go-to "RC" and its probably solely because of the Trout update.

Not too many people care that some factory set RC came out before the update RC.

The Bat Down is and will always be way more desirable and the "go-to" RC for Acuna. Besides being his true RC, they are virtually the same card except the Bat Down is way more rare and released first. It's the perfect combination of iconic image. rarity, and price making it desirable to all collectors. If Acuna continues to perform as expected and as we all hope, the gap between the Bat Down and the Update will also continue to grow.

[yanksfan0134]

Originally Posted by dizzydolse

The Bat Down is and will always be way more desirable and the "go-to" RC for Acuna. Besides being his true RC, they are virtually the same card except the Bat Down is way more rare and released first. It's the perfect combination of iconic image. rarity, and price making it desirable to all collectors. If Acuna continues to perform as expected and as we all hope, the gap between the Bat Down and the Update will also continue to grow.

What is considered rare these days? With a print run of approximately 20k, that seems pretty far from rare to me. I do understand the desire behind the image, though, and agree that with how appealing it is, it could become a an iconic card.

I was looking at picking up some other things like a PSA 10 regular update or a few heritage PSA 10s, but the update has a pop 10k+ and the heritage pop 4K+. That seems far from rare and doesn’t even seem worth the investment at this point.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

What is considered rare these days? With a print run of approximately 20k, that seems pretty far from rare to me. I do understand the desire behind the image, though, and agree that with how appealing it is, it could become a an iconic card.



I was looking at picking up some other things like a PSA 10 regular update or a few heritage PSA 10s, but the update has a pop 10k+ and the heritage pop 4K+. That seems far from rare and doesn’t even seem worth the investment at this point.

Another idea: if you can catch one for sale, you might consider the ‘18 Stadium Club... probably $200-300 ish, and 200 card print run (as it was an insert variation of another card in the set)... it has a strong cult following on here, and think it will have sustained interest




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[DStars45]

Any idea on the print run of the autograph version of this card?

Originally Posted by pewe

Another idea: if you can catch one for sale, you might consider the ‘18 Stadium Club... probably $200-300 ish, and 200 card print run (as it was an insert variation of another card in the set)... it has a strong cult following on here, and think it will have sustained interest




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[pewe]

Originally Posted by DStars45

Any idea on the print run of the autograph version of this card?

If I had to guess, the non-numbered versions are <500

Why? Well on average there are ~750 base autos, but we know some are more common than others, and I haven’t seen nearly as many Acuna pulled in breaks than some other more common autos.

There are also red #/50, black #/25, rainbow #/10, orange #/5, and gold #/1

This is an example red and rainbow... I don’t own a base

Note these are pretty condition sensitive due to thin card stock




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[dbpsooner]

I know I am in the minority, which I am often ha, but I think the 2018 Finest auto is ridiculously undervalued. Great looking RC logo auto with less than 100 in existence and no paralells.

I admit, being in the minority can often times be a good thing because it helps me collect the cards I like more affordably!

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

I know I am in the minority, which I am often ha, but I think the 2018 Finest auto is ridiculously undervalued. Great looking RC logo auto with less than 100 in existence and no paralells.

I admit, being in the minority can often times be a good thing because it helps me collect the cards I like more affordably!

Until you come on here and mention it and card sky rockets to 4x lol

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[SaltyCracker]

Here’s a nice looking card that can be had for cheap when they pop up. 2018 Big League foil /100.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

Here’s a nice looking card that can be had for cheap when they pop up. 2018 Big League foil /100.

Yes! I love those too

The black and white is also nice




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[notfast]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

I know I am in the minority, which I am often ha, but I think the 2018 Finest auto is ridiculously undervalued. Great looking RC logo auto with less than 100 in existence and no paralells.

I admit, being in the minority can often times be a good thing because it helps me collect the cards I like more affordably!

This is his best on card auto rookie IMO and it’s not even close. It will get it’s due at some point. They have been less than 30 graded across the board. Very tough to find a gem for sale.

[SaltyCracker]

Originally Posted by pewe

Yes! I love those too

The black and white is also nice




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That black and white is a sharp card.

[jjeanius]

Is the b/w the rarest parallel?

[SaltyCracker]

Originally Posted by notfast

This is his best on card auto rookie IMO and it’s not even close. It will get it’s due at some point. They have been less than 30 graded across the board. Very tough to find a gem for sale.

Wish I still had this one....

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by notfast

This is his best on card auto rookie IMO and it’s not even close. It will get it’s due at some point. They have been less than 30 graded across the board. Very tough to find a gem for sale.

Nice looking card? Very. Somewhat rare? Sure. That being said, it will never overcome the fact that (a) there are a TON of Acuna RC autos, and (b) Finest has inferior brand recognition. That’s like saying his Bowman’s Best auto is going to take off. It will never happen.

Trout’s Finest RC auto is criminally undervalued and that’s his ONLY on card RC auto. Acuna has a much higher hill (of RC autos) to climb

[pewe]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

Is the b/w the rarest parallel?

In opening day? There is also a red 1/1


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[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

What is considered rare these days? With a print run of approximately 20k, that seems pretty far from rare to me. I do understand the desire behind the image, though, and agree that with how appealing it is, it could become a an iconic card.

I was looking at picking up some other things like a PSA 10 regular update or a few heritage PSA 10s, but the update has a pop 10k+ and the heritage pop 4K+. That seems far from rare and doesn’t even seem worth the investment at this point.

You might consider the 2018 All Star Game foil stamped 698 in gem mint (current pop shows 132). The foil stamp differentiates the card from the other 698 factory cards...the image is the same as the US250. No definitive print run (estimates have been 2500-5000) but it's definitely less than the 20k for bat down. The fact that the PSA 10 pop number is at 132 tells me that the print run has to be very low otherwise the all star card would have been graded like mad like the other factory 698s (1154 PSA 10s to date) or the US250. Yet to date, there has only been 163 submitted. When you search for the set, none of the big online retailers have them....and on ebay, six factory sets currently available (though it's been discussed before that the factory sets Acuna are inserted at the end of the sets so there's no guarantee a gem mint one will come out of a sealed factory set). I don't see any ungraded ones available at the moment.

https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball...ete-set/159049 scroll down to find 698 - Bat Pointing Up-All-Star Game Edition