Aaron Judge

[JRX]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Ken Griffey Jr, Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, Ty Cobb? History has been pretty nice to these guys.

And none of those guys are Yankees. I'm not saying he won't be collectable, but if you want to be an all time Yankee great you gotta win it all.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by JRX

And none of those guys are Yankees. I'm not saying he won't be collectable, but if you want to be an all time Yankee great you gotta win it all.

In the eyes of Yankee fans or baseball fans in general?

[onenineeightsix]

Originally Posted by marl1220

In the eyes of Yankee fans or baseball fans in general?

Should be both. Too many Yankee greats have multiple rings.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by onenineeightsix

Should be both. Too many Yankee greats have multiple rings.

I don't understand this logic. Ted Williams gets a pass on the WS requirement because he didn't play for the Yankees?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by marl1220

In the eyes of Yankee fans or baseball fans in general?

Why is this so hard for people to grasp? The entire identify of the franchise and its history is that they win. Regular season stats are all fine and good, but all that matters is what he does in October. He's hit a lot of HR in the post season, but he's also hit .211/.310/.462 with 66K in 44 games. Obviously a small sample size, but in the end that's what matters.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by JRX

Why is this so hard for people to grasp? The entire identify of the franchise and its history is that they win. Regular season stats are all fine and good, but all that matters is what he does in October. He's hit a lot of HR in the post season, but he's also hit .211/.310/.462 with 66K in 44 games. Obviously a small sample size, but in the end that's what matters.

Settle down. I asked a simple question.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I don't understand this logic. Ted Williams gets a pass on the WS requirement because he didn't play for the Yankees?

Yes, I would argue the Yankees are the only team where winning truly matters long term. No other fanbase cares as much nor expects to win.

[Akphillips86]

JRX, I get what you are saying about Yankees fans specifically and yes, they do love their rings. However rings aren’t a necessity for hobby greatness regardless of the uniform the player is in. I think most here are referring to Judge’s legacy in the hobby when it’s all said and done.

I think Judge will have a strong following in the hobby with or without a ring, but it certainly wouldn’t hurt to have the pinstripe army backing your hobby prices too. I do think 62 also made Judge a bit of an exception even in the eyes of Yankee fans.

To add, Jeter was a great ball player, popular guy and has rings galore. Griffey still outsells Jeter easily. Aside from Griffey being a pop culture icon, Griffey hit bombs. Judge hits bombs. People love players who hit bombs, especially without steroids. Unless you’re Jim Thome haha. Dude gets no love.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

JRX, I get what you are saying about Yankees fans specifically and yes, they do love their rings. However rings aren’t a necessity for hobby greatness regardless of the uniform the player is in. I think most here are referring to Judge’s legacy in the hobby when it’s all said and done.

I think Judge will have a strong following in the hobby with or without a ring, but it certainly wouldn’t hurt to have the pinstripe army backing your hobby prices too. I do think 62 also made Judge a bit of an exception even in the eyes of Yankee fans.

To add, Jeter was a great ball player, popular guy and has rings galore. Griffey still outsells Jeter easily. Aside from Griffey being a pop culture icon, Griffey hit bombs. Judge hits bombs. People love players who hit bombs, especially without steroids. Unless you’re Jim Thome haha. Dude gets no love.

And he's a quality human being to boot!

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

JRX, I get what you are saying about Yankees fans specifically and yes, they do love their rings. However rings aren’t a necessity for hobby greatness regardless of the uniform the player is in. I think most here are referring to Judge’s legacy in the hobby when it’s all said and done.

I think Judge will have a strong following in the hobby with or without a ring, but it certainly wouldn’t hurt to have the pinstripe army backing your hobby prices too. I do think 62 also made Judge a bit of an exception even in the eyes of Yankee fans.

To add, Jeter was a great ball player, popular guy and has rings galore. Griffey still outsells Jeter easily. Aside from Griffey being a pop culture icon, Griffey hit bombs. Judge hits bombs. People love players who hit bombs, especially without steroids. Unless you’re Jim Thome haha. Dude gets no love.

I'm not saying he won't be collectable. I'm saying he will never reach his ceiling unless he wins.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by JRX

I'm not saying he won't be collectable. I'm saying he will never reach his ceiling unless he wins.

Can’t argue with that. It would definitely send him to the next level.


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[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by marl1220

And he's a quality human being to boot!

To Thome!

Still remember watching him take BP when I was a kid. Awe inspiring moonshots.


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[ThoseBackPages]

keep stacking!

[Absknicks]

Originally Posted by JRX

Not really, he's having essentially an equal year. His RBI are up because of Soto, but his triple slash is basically the same.

Nah, he's been better in virtually every offensive category this year.

Do the smallest amount of research before posting.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Absknicks

Nah, he's been better in virtually every offensive category this year.

Do the smallest amount of research before posting.

He's on pace for less runs and less home runs. The team has played 86 games already so we're past half way. His triple slash is up slightly but not that meaningful. His wRC+ is 214 vs 209 in 2022. Similarly OPS+ is 217 vs 210.
Again its a bit better, but roughly where he was in 2022. He can easily have
a down week and the rate stats reverse. The higher WAR total is from playing CF instead of RF. What's most remarkable is the number of doubles he has, 23 where his career high is 28.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by JRX

Unless your a Yankees fan, you don't get it. Rings matter for the Yankees.

I don't disagree. They're trophy snobs in NYC. But on a national level, Judge might already be well beyond Mattingly popularity. Rings mean something otherwise 0-4 Super Bowl Jim Kelly's 1987 Topps NFL card would probably be $100 raw if he was 4-4, or even 3-4, instead of occasionally dug out of a dollar box. Griffey Jr was mentioned above. He didn't need a ring to be perhaps the most collected player in MLB history. Mattingly came along as the hobby just started taking off while Griffey came along at the peak and just in time for Gen X teenagers. Perhaps he, too, wouldn't be as widely collected if his career started a couple decades later. But, if Judge can follow this season with a few more like it, then even the Bronx trophy snobs are bound to look very highly upon him. He's certainly not slowing down yet. Hopefully he stays healthy for a while. The hobby needs a few elite names to chase.

[larry25]

Honestly, as a Yankees fan, the only reason I've been watching during their current incomprehensible skid is because of Judge. Which is to say, even if he doesn't win a ring--though I think he will win several!--he will always be loved because he's been the only NYY thing worth following these past 8 years.

[ottobord]

Originally Posted by JRX

Yes, I would argue the Yankees are the only team where winning truly matters long term. No other fanbase cares as much nor expects to win.

And somehow others think we need to apologize for this. It's how it should be. As for Judge, he will never be accepted amongst the Yankee greats unless he wins a WS and is instrumental in doing so. He hasn't performed in the postseason when it matters most. That will haunt him if he doesn't change that. Doesn't mean he isn't a great player. He has time. Mattingly doesn't get penalized because he there once. And when he was he was great.

[seanrs1]

How do Judge's 2017 RC prices compare today to the prices in 2017 and 2022 in general? I assume they are still lower across the board than 2022, but higher than 2017.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

How do Judge's 2017 RC prices compare today to the prices in 2017 and 2022 in general? I assume they are still lower across the board than 2022, but higher than 2017.

non-gems were very affordable in 2017

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by JRX

I'm not saying they're the same type of player. They're both the star of the Yankees during their tenure, both extremely popular, but to move beyond that you need to win a ring. Its like Peyton Manning before he won the sb, Judge is a regular season star right now, he has to do this in the playoffs. If he does all that and stays healthy, he probably gets a monument one day.

Mattingly wouldn't be a "Yankee Great" or HOFer if he won a championship. His back injury cost him that.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

How do Judge's 2017 RC prices compare today to the prices in 2017 and 2022 in general? I assume they are still lower across the board than 2022, but higher than 2017.

2013 were way more expensive than 2017 because 2018 hadn't happened yet, if that makes sense.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

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