Aaron Judge

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[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by majestik101

I'd make the argument that Judge's "peak" was in 2022. That was a season for the ages and more than a few flippers made insane money on him during that time.

I don't see him repeating that ever again.

Could be wrong though

I guess my question was not about performance of a peak season (2022 was he peak season so far)...it was more about the peak of his card prices. I don't know what his cards sold for in 2017 or 2022 really. I just know what they are selling for now as I buy some.

So I was wondering if those that had been buying Judge since he was a prospect or a rookie are you looking to unload your cards thinking this will be his peak in pricing...or do you feel over time there will be even more demand for his cards and higher prices as time goes on (and he accumulates more stats or win a WS)?

[Absknicks]

Originally Posted by majestik101

I'd make the argument that Judge's "peak" was in 2022. That was a season for the ages and more than a few flippers made insane money on him during that time.

I don't see him repeating that ever again.

Could be wrong though

Really? He's having a better year currently than he did in 2022.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Absknicks

Really? He's having a better year currently than he did in 2022.

Not really, he's having essentially an equal year. His RBI are up because of Soto, but his triple slash is basically the same.

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[JRX]

The Yankees have played 86 games, he's on pace for 58HR, 122 Runs, and 154 RBI.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by JRX

The Yankees have played 86 games, he's on pace for 58HR, 122 Runs, and 154 RBI.

how great is that?

[JRX]

I checked, Arod was the last to hit 50+ HR and have 150+ RBI. If you want to go non-steroid users, its Jimmie Foxx in 1938. In fact only he, Ruth, and Hack Wilson did it prior to Sosa and Arod.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by JRX

I checked, Arod was the last to hit 50+ HR and have 150+ RBI. If you want to go non-steroid users, its Jimmie Foxx in 1938. In fact only he, Ruth, and Hack Wilson did it prior to Sosa and Arod.

The crazy thing is that Judge is doing it against the best pitchers who rarely face the same batters more than 2 or 3 times in a game. Ruth and Foxx did it against pitchers they faced 4 to 5 times per game. It's unprecedented.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by larry25

The crazy thing is that Judge is doing it against the best pitchers who rarely face the same batters more than 2 or 3 times in a game. Ruth and Foxx did it against pitchers they faced 4 to 5 times per game. It's unprecedented.

It helps to have a guy bat in front of you that has an obp of .437. The probability that neither Soto or Judge get on base each time through the lineup is only a little over 30%.

[Thor34]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I guess my question was not about performance of a peak season (2022 was he peak season so far)...it was more about the peak of his card prices. I don't know what his cards sold for in 2017 or 2022 really. I just know what they are selling for now as I buy some.

So I was wondering if those that had been buying Judge since he was a prospect or a rookie are you looking to unload your cards thinking this will be his peak in pricing...or do you feel over time there will be even more demand for his cards and higher prices as time goes on (and he accumulates more stats or win a WS)?

Transparency; I don't own any Aaron Judge.
The way I see it though Judge is quickly climbing up the ladder to the Pantheon of great Yankees in history.
Great Yankees card value transcends any peak and is/can be a great buy/hold investment.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Thor34

Transparency; I don't own any Aaron Judge.
The way I see it though Judge is quickly climbing up the ladder to the Pantheon of great Yankees in history.
Great Yankees card value transcends any peak and is/can be a great buy/hold investment.

He really needs a championship otherwise he's this generation's Mattingly.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by JRX

He really needs a championship otherwise he's this generation's Mattingly.

He's already passed Mattingly (and Maris) with 62. He'll be at 300 HR in another month or so, in about 950 games, over 100 less than the next fastest.

Judge: ~950
Kiner: 1,087
Howard: 1,093
Juan Gone: 1,096
ARod: 1,117

Health is paramount. If he stays healthy the second half, he should help the Yanks into the postseason, and he'll likely get his 2nd MVP, though it should (and may one day) be his third, since Altuve stole it in 2017.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by larry25

He's already passed Mattingly (and Maris) with 62. He'll be at 300 HR in another month or so, in about 950 games, over 100 less than the next fastest.

Judge: ~950
Kiner: 1,087
Howard: 1,093
Juan Gone: 1,096
ARod: 1,117

Health is paramount. If he stays healthy the second half, he should help the Yanks into the postseason, and he'll likely get his 2nd MVP, though it should (and may one day) be his third, since Altuve stole it in 2017.

That's all well and good, but there is no Yankees great that hasn't won at least 1 WS. Now you could argue he will be the first, but if he never gets a ring that will always be a knock on him.

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[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by larry25

He's already passed Mattingly (and Maris) with 62. He'll be at 300 HR in another month or so, in about 950 games, over 100 less than the next fastest.

Judge: ~950
Kiner: 1,087
Howard: 1,093
Juan Gone: 1,096
ARod: 1,117

Health is paramount. If he stays healthy the second half, he should help the Yanks into the postseason, and he'll likely get his 2nd MVP, though it should (and may one day) be his third, since Altuve stole it in 2017.

No comment on Judge at all (I’m a big fan), but it’s hard to ignore that the only person on that list in the HOF “only” had 1,500 career hits and was out of baseball at 33. I don’t have concerns for Judge being “clean,” but (like you) I worry about him staying on the field. I hope he does.

[ottobord]

Originally Posted by JRX

That's all well and good, but there is no Yankees great that hasn't won at least 1 WS. Now you could argue he will be the first, but if he never gets a ring that will always be a knock on him.

Mattingly?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by ottobord

Mattingly?

That's my point, he's this generation's Mattingly unless he wins, then he moves up a lot.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by JRX

That's my point, he's this generation's Mattingly unless he wins, then he moves up a lot.

If Judge gimped his way through the second half of his career like Mattingly then there would be a nice parallel. If he hits 400+ HRs with two or three MVP awards and no rings then he's leaving Mattingly in the dust.

Mattingly was elite for a few years and he did it at a time the trading card hobby caught fire. He was also a younger guy with pop in a league generally lacking youth power types until McGwire, Canseco, Bonds, and Griffey, and Thomas came along. I suspect if Mattingly replicated his career in the 2010-2023 period, his mint rookie cards would be sitting in fifty cent and dollar boxes, and probably wouldn't sell much outside of New York.

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Judge is easily the most hobby relevant Yankee since Jeter

[JRX]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

If Judge gimped his way through the second half of his career like Mattingly then there would be a nice parallel. If he hits 400+ HRs with two or three MVP awards and no rings then he's leaving Mattingly in the dust.

Mattingly was elite for a few years and he did it at a time the trading card hobby caught fire. He was also a younger guy with pop in a league generally lacking youth power types until McGwire, Canseco, Bonds, and Griffey, and Thomas came along. I suspect if Mattingly replicated his career in the 2010-2023 period, his mint rookie cards would be sitting in fifty cent and dollar boxes, and probably wouldn't sell much outside of New York.

I'm not saying they're the same type of player. They're both the star of the Yankees during their tenure, both extremely popular, but to move beyond that you need to win a ring. Its like Peyton Manning before he won the sb, Judge is a regular season star right now, he has to do this in the playoffs. If he does all that and stays healthy, he probably gets a monument one day.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by JRX

I'm not saying they're the same type of player. They're both the star of the Yankees during their tenure, both extremely popular, but to move beyond that you need to win a ring. Its like Peyton Manning before he won the sb, Judge is a regular season star right now, he has to do this in the playoffs. If he does all that and stays healthy, he probably gets a monument one day.

thats NFL though

MLB is not NFL

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by JRX

I'm not saying they're the same type of player. They're both the star of the Yankees during their tenure, both extremely popular, but to move beyond that you need to win a ring. Its like Peyton Manning before he won the sb, Judge is a regular season star right now, he has to do this in the playoffs. If he does all that and stays healthy, he probably gets a monument one day.

People ding Marino for never winning a ring, and you can see it in his card values compared to Elway and Montana. No one really dings Griffey for not winning one. Would his cared sell for even if he had won a few World Series? Probably, but it’s still not hurting his values comparatively speaking.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

People ding Marino for never winning a ring, and you can see it in his card values compared to Elway and Montana. No one really dings Griffey for not winning one. Would his cared sell for even if he had won a few World Series? Probably, but it’s still not hurting his values comparatively speaking.

Unless your a Yankees fan, you don't get it. Rings matter for the Yankees.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by JRX

I'm not saying they're the same type of player. They're both the star of the Yankees during their tenure, both extremely popular, but to move beyond that you need to win a ring. Its like Peyton Manning before he won the sb, Judge is a regular season star right now, he has to do this in the playoffs. If he does all that and stays healthy, he probably gets a monument one day.

Ken Griffey Jr, Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, Ty Cobb? History has been pretty nice to these guys.