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Originally Posted by greentown

It's also a fact that Obama didn't start the hunt from scratch. Hard to claim intelligence from before you took office.

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Bill Clinton having the opportunity to eliminate Bin Laden's attempted revolution in its infancy is less relevant than what you said? It's wonderful that others cannot use hind sight but you being the supreme know it all can at will.

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I could say moussalini also. Or any mass murderer. Does who is used really matter?

Clinton wouldn't kill 300 innocent people to take out 1 person that might do something horrible. Bush couldn't take him out after he did. Obama did take him out.

The comment was "it would've happened under anyone else". Sure most competent presidents would've gotten it done. I'll give ya that.

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Please show me where I claimed Obama started from scratch.

That's like when my wife can't open the ketchup bottle and I do it and she says "I got it started." So what, if I wasn't here it would still be closed.

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Where did I use hindsight??????

Originally Posted by greentown

So, if my team is winning a hard fought game, and I step in in the 9th inning I can say I won the game?

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Lol. Keep trying to spin it however you want. Facts - post 9/11 bin laden survived the bush administration. Bin laden did not survive the Obama administration.

None of us know how close or far they were from catching or killing bin laden when bush left office. We know how far they are now.

Love the spin job trying to go on here. It's ok to admit that Bush was a disaster. I'm sure you'll blame all of it on Clinton also.

To answer your question. If you hit the game winning shot you sure as hell can claim you won the game. Fact is you did. Your team worked hard and then you did your job to win it. The headline will read "Greentown wins game". Not "team Greentown set Greentown up to win a close game".


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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

You did not. A combination of typing on my phone and my wife entering the room as I was just trying to complete a thought sabatoged any semblance of thought. My apologies.

My point does still stand however. The elimination of Bin Laden, and Clinton's failure to act on intelligence, are very relevant in this discussion.

Originally Posted by greentown

Ok, anything not praising Obama is spinning.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by greentown

Ok, anything not praising Obama is spinning.

Look at your question. This isn't about praising anyone. This is simply saying the quote that "anyone would've killed him" is wrong because bush didn't. There really is no arguing that point.

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Liberals always ooze this "nose in the air, I'm smarter then you" vibe when talking politics. The "I'm only tolerant as long as you agree with my views" types. May I ask your level of education? Or are you referring to being educated in politics by watching CNN?

Who exactly are the "uneducated"?

This sufficiently articulates the tenor of political discourse in this thread.

The existence of political parties will perpetuate this schism ad infinitum. I'm not a genius, and I'm certainly anything but a political guru, but with the modicum of wisdom I do have, I'll fully admit that I have no clue how to remedy the ills of American society.

Government's skeletal function is to solve problems collectively, that cannot be solved on the individual level. I'd much rather borrow the ideas of another and admit my opinion was wrong, as long as it serves the greater good.

We're getting barraged with reiterations of the same ideologically entrenched opinions, that were espoused in the post previous to the most recent.

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Why does Hitler's name get brought up everytime a liberal needs to make a point? It's right near the "get out of a debate by bringing up race" card.

Because it's Godwyn's Law, and it's also an argumentative tactic of the left to try and sweep Progressivism's track record of leading to mass murder under the rug because the NSDAP was politically to the right of the Communists, so that somehow makes them "right wing". They were still authoritarian socialists.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by JohnRyno

This sufficiently articulates the tenor of political discourse in this thread.

The existence of political parties will perpetuate this schism ad infinitum. I'm not a genius, and I'm certainly anything but a political guru, but with the modicum of wisdom I do have, I'll fully admit that I have no clue how to remedy the ills of American society.

Government's skeletal function is to solve problems collectively, that cannot be solved on the individual level. I'd much rather borrow the ideas of another and admit my opinion was wrong, as long as it serves the greater good.

We're getting barraged with reiterations of the same ideologically entrenched opinions, that were espoused in the post previous to the most recent.

You can't say that you are not a genius and then write that, literally-smart guy.
But, then, you know that.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by HBMC

Because it's Godwyn's Law, and it's also an argumentative tactic of the left to try and sweep Progressivism's track record of leading to mass murder under the rug because the NSDAP was politically to the right of the Communists, so that somehow makes them "right wing". They were still authoritarian socialists.

Progressivism's track record has led to what you see at this convention, tonight, and in the just authored Democratic Party Platform going forward. It is on the move.

All the rest is noise from someone with no way forward.
Enjoy Obama's speech. It's called a "victory lap".

[Clarka3]

don't act like bringing up hitler is only a liberal tactic. how many times have you heard somebody say "Hitler was a socialist" by a conservative to shut up a liberal?

[pgisback]

Best speaker I've ever heard! Gonna miss him!

[tacoma34]

How I feel watching the DNC tonight....

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Best speaker I've ever heard! Gonna miss him!

He's gotta be good at something!

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by JohnRyno

Government's skeletal function is to solve problems collectively, that cannot be solved on the individual level.

Generally, yes. Constitutionally? No. The problems that exist in this nation today can almost all be traced back to the Federal Government either dictating or interfering in something it had no proper purview over, intentionally or otherwise. The US Constitution is written with a lot of things not mentioned for a reason, they were purposefully immaterial to the Federal Government and were delegated to the States so that the Representatives who had the closest relationship to their constituents (State Reps) would bear the task of fixing grievances with the most intimate understanding of the issue due to proximity. Now that is completely reversed. The States are held hostage by the Federal Government for funding (if they agree to any Federal Funding) and have to kowtow to get the money they were forced to send through the Administrative State in DC and only largely get it back via pork or through conditions. This problem is further compounded due to the 17th Amendment.

A perfect example of a contrived controversy is marriage, marriages prior to the Progressive era of the late 19th-early 20th century were not anything the state (or States) had any say in, if a church wanted to perform the ceremony, it would happen without approval. The advent of licenses for marriage was a multi-fold desire of busy bodies to "monitor" who got married, not only was marriage incentivized through the tax code (which IMO is shamefully cynical), but it was used as a means to keep interracial marriages from happening. The 1967 Loving v Virginia case finally struck down bans on interracial marriages, but it took over 50 years for the SCOTUS to wipe up a mess that was needlessly created in the first place. I am glad to see that Alabama has done away with mandatory Marriage Licenses, that's the most equitable way to solve the issue, not ramming it through the SCOTUS and using faulty case-law to manufacture judicial reasoning, invalidating State Constitutional Amendments and the votes of millions of people in the process.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

don't act like bringing up hitler is only a liberal tactic. how many times have you heard somebody say "Hitler was a socialist" by a conservative to shut up a liberal?

Wish I had a nickel for every time one of HBMC's chums (undoubtedly fully aware of Godwyn's Law) called an elderly grandmother who has provided our country a lifetime of service by the name of "Hitlery", as though it were appropriate or clever.

[chezball]

yeah, she never forgot who she's working for. Her freaking pocket.

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

don't act like bringing up hitler is only a liberal tactic. how many times have you heard somebody say "Hitler was a socialist" by a conservative to shut up a liberal?

Never heard that, but I imagine that same person has a crush on their sister.

[jdandns]

"Then there's Donald Trump.
Don't boo him.
Vote."

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by chezball

yeah, she never forgot who she's working for. Her freaking pocket.

Who?
Hitlery?

[tacoma34]

Dangit Obama I really liked it when you didn't take the time to comment on or even mention Trump's name. You are still our President, act like it. Fool.

[pgisback]

Obama can't even mention Trumps name without laughing. That's how big of a joke Donald is. Not even a respectable human being.

[tacoma34]

Michelle's speech was great because it took a somewhat intelligent person to understand the jabs she was making. They were subtle, they were "presidential".

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by JohnRyno

This sufficiently articulates the tenor of political discourse in this thread.

The existence of political parties will perpetuate this schism ad infinitum. I'm not a genius, and I'm certainly anything but a political guru, but with the modicum of wisdom I do have, I'll fully admit that I have no clue how to remedy the ills of American society.

Government's skeletal function is to solve problems collectively, that cannot be solved on the individual level. I'd much rather borrow the ideas of another and admit my opinion was wrong, as long as it serves the greater good.

We're getting barraged with reiterations of the same ideologically entrenched opinions, that were espoused in the post previous to the most recent.

Seriously I have always wondered why it was a headline when a leader goes back on what he said at a different time/situation. I'm of the mindset that if I realized I was wrong then I would say it. It shows strength to me, not weakness. Better to admit fault then prolong ignorance. Obama isn't the root of our problems, we all are. But I guess it's nice to have something to point my finger at.

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Obama can't even mention Trumps name without laughing. That's how big of a joke Donald is. Not even a respectable human being.

You can't even speak objectively. You might wanna take your emotion out of this election. It provides nothing.

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Progressivism's track record has led to what you see at this convention, tonight, and in the just authored Democratic Party Platform going forward. It is on the move.

Nearly uninterrupted Progressive policies since 1896 (Republicans and Democrats) has lead to massive unserviceable debt, endless political factionalism and a complete divorce from rational activity. Being a Constitutionalist, I like having a sideline view as it clarifies my perspective, but at the same time, shows me how craven most of the American Electorate has been conditioned to be over the last century & change. Using the Government as a cudgel against the "opposition" is as savage as using a club against your neighbor because he's got the nicer cave.

All the rest is noise from someone with no way forward.

Don't be a sophist, you're not up to par for that.

Enjoy Obama's speech. It's called a "victory lap".

Cultural Marxism is nothing to dance about. I don't need to punish myself listening to the rabble rouser, I've heard enough of his pabulum for the last 12 years. The celebration of nihilistic tendencies that end in bloody messes every time it is enshrined truly is as bereft of clear eyed understanding as it could be. I don't really feel like re-creating the French Revolution in the US because enough people have been whipped into a contrived frenzy.

I dont need a lecture from someone who refuses to learn from history.

Originally Posted by Clarka3

don't act like bringing up hitler is only a liberal tactic. how many times have you heard somebody say "Hitler was a socialist" by a conservative to shut up a liberal?

It shouldn't be a "shut up" tactic, it should be a wake up call to anyone who thinks that European style centralized governments actually end well. Europe has enjoyed a 71 year run without any major conflicts for the first time in their Continental history. That is about to come crashing apart. We're headed down the same path.

[tacoma34]

Obama is feeling the Bern and quoting Raegan. They are desperate.



A depiction of Obama's America......

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Seriously I have always wondered why it was a headline when a leader goes back on what he said at a different time/situation. I'm of the mindset that if I realized I was wrong then I would say it. It shows strength to me, not weakness. Better to admit fault then prolong ignorance. Obama isn't the root of our problems, we all are. But I guess it's nice to have something to point my finger at.

Here is one thing you've said that I definitely agree with you about.

[tacoma34]

Right now Obama sounds like a mix between Fergie and Jesus. This is gonna sound weird, but for a second, I think he just took on the shape of a bald eagle.