Corona Virus

[jrinne17]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No no. Sorry, let me clarify ... when will it be "declared safe" to be in public. When will restaurants, schools, sporting events be back in session?

What's the plan here? Everything closing for 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 6 weeks etc; New Jersey and NY about to completely shut down today ... at what point in the virus spread are we going to re-open the doors and go about business as usual?

I honestly think everything should remain open. People who are in poor health should be the individuals who stay home. I think its crap that all the people who take care of themselves are in essences being punish for the poor health of other people. In todays culture (freak out culture) more than likely this will be an on and off thing until the end of August.

[sonnyday]

Originally Posted by jrinne17

I honestly think everything should remain open. People who are in poor health should be the individuals who stay home. I think its crap that all the people who take care of themselves are in essences being punish for the poor health of other people. In todays culture (freak out culture) more than likely this will be an on and off thing until the end of August.

while i agree that this is a little bit of Freak Out thing. How are retail businesses (restaurants and stores) supposed to stay open when there is no customers? These are small businesses that are not flush with cash. How do they pay employees? How do they pay rent?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

while i agree that this is a little bit of Freak Out thing. How are retail businesses (restaurants and stores) supposed to stay open when there is no customers? These are small businesses that are not flush with cash. How do they pay employees? How do they pay rent?

Nah, you can't. Once this panic hit, it's impossible to run a small business if you're consumer facing. Set aside the fact that few will actually patronize the business; the amount of heat you'll take for being open and spreading the virus plays right into cancel culture.

I just think this goes on for a while. Ya know, if the history of the United States as show us anything, it's that we're not all that great with our "exit strategy". The country essentially shut down in 48 hours, I'm wondering if we've even given though to "what are we supposed to do now?"

This virus is taking it's sweet time here, no country according to the numbers has been overrun with cases quite yet. At what point in the process are we supposed to be back to work, because we're not trying to immunize from it like all the ones previously; this time; we're trying to starve it. And with a country of 340,000,000 ... that's impossible.

Won't this just flare back up again when we do open the doors?

[NeedChapmans]

This made me smile. It's a real article, not the Onion.

ISIS Issues Coronavirus Travel Advice

[jrinne17]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

while i agree that this is a little bit of Freak Out thing. How are retail businesses (restaurants and stores) supposed to stay open when there is no customers? These are small businesses that are not flush with cash. How do they pay employees? How do they pay rent?

I went out yesterday and everything was packed. Bars, restaurants, the mall and the all the surrounding stores around them. The one place that wasn't was Costco (previous 2 days it was cars parked in the street). An article came out yesterday about how the bars in New York are packed with people and people like AOC couldn't understand it.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jrinne17

I went out yesterday and everything was packed. Bars, restaurants, the mall and the all the surrounding stores around them. The one place that wasn't was Costco (previous 2 days it was cars parked in the street). An article came out yesterday about how the bars in New York are packed with people and people like AOC couldn't understand it.

Not for long. 24 hours (maybe 48), NY and NJ will be closed w/ curfew.

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by jrinne17

I went out yesterday and everything was packed. Bars, restaurants, the mall and the all the surrounding stores around them. The one place that wasn't was Costco (previous 2 days it was cars parked in the street). An article came out yesterday about how the bars in New York are packed with people and people like AOC couldn't understand it.

Where was that article ?


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[bradical]

Originally Posted by jrinne17

I honestly think everything should remain open. People who are in poor health should be the individuals who stay home. I think its crap that all the people who take care of themselves are in essences being punish for the poor health of other people. In todays culture (freak out culture) more than likely this will be an on and off thing until the end of August.

Even if you’re young and healthy, you should follow social distancing measures to avoid spreading it to others, and help slow down this epidemic.

The more young and healthy people are sick at the same time, the more old people will be sick, which will result in an overrun of the health care system.

[patchgenie]

all the local casinos are shutting down

[rman112]

Originally Posted by bradical

Even if you’re young and healthy, you should follow social distancing measures to avoid spreading it to others, and help slow down this epidemic.

The more young and healthy people are sick at the same time, the more old people will be sick, which will result in an overrun of the health care system.

Social distancing for how long?

A few weeks? If deaths are still low in say, 2-3 weeks.. still social distancing? Because it's working then, right?

How about a month? Deaths low? Still working, yes? Deaths high? Obviously can't reverse course.

2 months?

Etc, etc.

See how this works?

[ordietrying99]

Originally Posted by jrinne17

I honestly think everything should remain open. People who are in poor health should be the individuals who stay home. I think its crap that all the people who take care of themselves are in essences being punish for the poor health of other people. In todays culture (freak out culture) more than likely this will be an on and off thing until the end of August.

If you dig into R-naught values, epidemiology, history you see the only way we stop this is by social distancing and to quarantine extremely hot areas... It is 100% necessary. It is causing eosinophilic pneumonia at about a 20-25% rate...that's the killer. White blood cells and inflammation deep in your lungs. Without oxygen and in many cases mechanical ventilation, you will rapidly develop hypoxemia and secondary organ failures will happen, renal to start. Without intervention to slow person to person cases, we do not have the resources to fight something so pathogenic, even at a 1 or 2% mortality rate.

The narrative that this only affects old people to needs to stop. The elderly Chinese demographic does not present with the same types of diseases or ages as Western societies. The comorbidities that raise fatality they mention like Diabetes, Hypertension, COPD present themselves in much younger demographics in USA. We could lose a lot of not so old people who were seemingly healthy.

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[mwheeler27]

We need a vaccine...pronto.

[preakness]

You want a date when the panic ends?

Try first Wednesday after first Monday in November

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by rman112

Social distancing for how long?

A few weeks? If deaths are still low in say, 2-3 weeks.. still social distancing? Because it's working then, right?

How about a month? Deaths low? Still working, yes? Deaths high? Obviously can't reverse course.

2 months?

Etc, etc.

See how this works?

Those are valid questions but the answers simply don’t exist yet. At this point I wouldn’t believe anyone who said they had an absolute answer to how this plays out


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[bradical]

Originally Posted by rman112

Social distancing for how long?

A few weeks? If deaths are still low in say, 2-3 weeks.. still social distancing? Because it's working then, right?

How about a month? Deaths low? Still working, yes? Deaths high? Obviously can't reverse course.

2 months?

Etc, etc.

See how this works?

There is no answer right now. I believe 2-weeks has been the provided guidance.

I can see how you want to focus on deaths with all of this, but the larger risk is our health care system. We do not have the beds/doctors to go around if this continues to spread at its current rate. People will survive this. It's been said numerous times. And, people will die from this. But the more critical measuring stick is how over run, over worked, and depleted our health care system is going to be. Then what happens to all of the patients who need other life-risking procedures. Hospital beds and ERs are overran with COVID patients, but where do you go for your appendicitis? Are you going to want a doctor coming off their 7th straight 16 hour shift performing an operation on you?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by bradical

There is no answer right now. I believe 2-weeks has been the provided guidance.

I can see how you want to focus on deaths with all of this, but the larger risk is our health care system. We do not have the beds/doctors to go around if this continues to spread at its current rate. People will survive this. It's been said numerous times. And, people will die from this. But the more critical measuring stick is how over run, over worked, and depleted our health care system is going to be. Then what happens to all of the patients who need other life-risking procedures. Hospital beds and ERs are overran with COVID patients, but where do you go for your appendicitis? Are you going to want a doctor coming off their 7th straight 16 hour shift performing an operation on you?

This will sound morbid, but aren't healthy people the priority.. when "people will survive this" is the overwhelming, overwhelming majority? What percentage of people needing life-risking procedures stand to be heavily affected, vs. the total population?

"Social distancing" seems to be putting what we're looking at nicely. It's not just no NCAA tournament or baseball missing some spring training. Big cities, and even states themselves, are going to be closing up shop.

And all while, like you said.. we have no answers.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by bradical

There is no answer right now. I believe 2-weeks has been the provided guidance.

I can see how you want to focus on deaths with all of this, but the larger risk is our health care system. We do not have the beds/doctors to go around if this continues to spread at its current rate. People will survive this. It's been said numerous times. And, people will die from this. But the more critical measuring stick is how over run, over worked, and depleted our health care system is going to be. Then what happens to all of the patients who need other life-risking procedures. Hospital beds and ERs are overran with COVID patients, but where do you go for your appendicitis? Are you going to want a doctor coming off their 7th straight 16 hour shift performing an operation on you?

We've never done this for any reason; ever. Wars, pandemics, viruses etc. And here we are, worried about a "possible" problem.

It's insanity. Pure insanity. 2 weeks will turn into 2 months and we'll wipe out the economy completely. U.S. will have thrown itself (and the world in a large part) into economic ruin.

All to save a very small subset of the lives of the elderly, who are looking at us like we're crazy because they're the ones who have lived through far worse.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rman112

Social distancing for how long?

A few weeks? If deaths are still low in say, 2-3 weeks.. still social distancing? Because it's working then, right?

How about a month? Deaths low? Still working, yes? Deaths high? Obviously can't reverse course.

2 months?

Etc, etc.

See how this works?

I think all the heath professionals just want to “flatten the curve”.

It seems like a lose-lose scenario. Let it spread everywhere and do nothing and crush the economy when people are too sick to work, or halt work completely and try to slow the spread.

There isn’t really a “right” answer here.

[rman112]

Future headline:

"Charmin announces all delivery trucks be painted, all-black incognito style, after third toilet paper truck gets hijacked at gunpoint in last two days."

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I think all the heath professionals just want to “flatten the curve”.

It seems like a lose-lose scenario. Let it spread everywhere and do nothing and crush the economy when people are too sick to work, or halt work completely and try to slow the spread.

There isn’t really a “right” answer here.

You mean 0.1% of the US population?

Or when 90% of the population is off of work because everything is closed?

[base set]

News from epicenters in Italy this morning is rather horrific. Anyone over 65 of age now = no treatment. Stroke? No treatment. Need surgery? Cancelled.

https://www.al.com/opinion/2020/03/i...re-system.html

[xbignick]

My dad started his panic, wants to go buy out tuna fish at every store. Doesn't seem to understand he takes a ton of medication and is more likely to get sick in dumb crowds than ever starve.

[BostonNut]

TP still fully stocked here.

Guess the panic hasn’t reached my neck of the woods yet.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by jrinne17

I honestly think everything should remain open. People who are in poor health should be the individuals who stay home. I think its crap that all the people who take care of themselves are in essences being punish for the poor health of other people. In todays culture (freak out culture) more than likely this will be an on and off thing until the end of August.

Seriously? Is this the IQ of BO?

My father was the recipient of a heart transplant and he is not at fault for our family history of cardio myopathy. He cannot stave off viruses like this nor can majority of people with immunodeficiencies or people in the elderly stages of life.

But hey, the rest of the live can do without them, right?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

TP still fully stocked here.

Guess the panic hasn’t reached my neck of the woods yet.

The experts suggest we're still 6-10 weeks away from this being peak trouble.