2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by rman112

Really? He also said it was hanging 'over his car'. I don't see any proof of that. Where's that picture?

For Wallace to still be adamant about the racial overtones, after realizing it was there since last year, is a load of crap. And I don't know much about NASCAR, but apparently you go into the stall based on where you are in the points standings. So Bubba ending up there was essentially completely random.

He does seem to be milking it for all it's worth.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by rman112

Really? He also said it was hanging 'over his car'. I don't see any proof of that. Where's that picture?

For Wallace to still be adamant about the racial overtones, after realizing it was there since last year, is a load of crap. And I don't know much about NASCAR, but apparently you go into the stall based on where you are in the points standings. So Bubba ending up there was essentially completely random.

I would personally assume he was told that. I am a casual NASCAR fan, so I also am not really sure how the garage system works, but I agree it was random (although an odd coincidence I guess), but what this was was definitely not a hoax. It was really a noose, and it wasn't planted by Bubba or anyone associated with him, agreed?

[fidrych]

Long time lurker. Finally building the courage to post. Lot of smart folks on the board. A great cross section. I would rather read what is here then watch the news. I am going to throw a thought or two out there and wait for the forum to tell me I am way off base or close. I apologize ahead of time if I repeat a subject already conversed on or opinion held by some else here.

My wife has been in the medical field for 25 years (has her Masters). I am in sales in the HS and Small College Field. The rest of my family are all in education (High School)

My thoughts......

1) I am a Journalism Major. At one time that profession leaned towards transparency, legitimacy, integrity and honesty. Its pretty sad to watch now. Its all about "moving the dial". The simplest analogy I can come up with is this. Ive been a Cowboy fan 50 years. When the media fishes for an opinion on a particular hot button subject, what former Cowboy to they often go to for a sound bite? Tony Dorsett? Roger Staubach? Drew Pearson? Not usually. They dont move the dial. Dez Bryant will move the dial. Journalist's dont report or write news. They create scripts. Hoping for a "best seller"

2) I coach basketball. A gentleman I work with has a family of boys that wrestle. Between ourselves and the opinion of our trainers (as we look back). I had a player and he had a son with Covid. This was in December.

3) Ive coached for 25 years. Rural communities. The farm kids I had (both male and female) never got sick. Never.

4) Back when I was a kid if someone on the block got chicken pox, all of us got chicken pox. Then we were done with it. Do we all need to get Covid?

5) My son was diagnosed positive 2 weeks ago. He's been around us along with my daughter (also college aged) the entire time (home from school). No one else got it. He lost his smell and taste. By the time he got results back (48 hours), he was symptom free.

6) The reaction of the general populous to a vaccine has me the most intrigued. I think a vaccine exists. How it can be "spun" or how it can be used by either or both parties to sway the election is the crux. Just my opinion. Moving forward I think there is another virus and another vaccine around the corner--then another and another and another......now your immune system is controlled by someone else. I have never gotten the flew shot and I have never gotten sick. I will be hesitate to get the vaccine.

Ok Folks. Have at it. Looking forward to everyones thoughts

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You're talking about the President of the United States.

I'm pretty sure he's already proven the concept to work!

True. But he's really gone over the cliff since he was elected. There's now four years worth of ammunition to be used against him as opposed to the few months there was leading up to the last election. Like I said, I'm far from being an expert on this. I could be completely wrong.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by fidrych

Long time lurker. Finally building the courage to post. Lot of smart folks on the board. A great cross section. I would rather read what is here then watch the news. I am going to throw a thought or two out there and wait for the forum to tell me I am way off base or close. I apologize ahead of time if I repeat a subject already conversed on or opinion held by some else here.

My wife has been in the medical field for 25 years (has her Masters). I am in sales in the HS and Small College Field. The rest of my family are all in education (High School)

My thoughts......

1) I am a Journalism Major. At one time that profession leaned towards transparency, legitimacy, integrity and honesty. Its pretty sad to watch now. Its all about "moving the dial". The simplest analogy I can come up with is this. Ive been a Cowboy fan 50 years. When the media fishes for an opinion on a particular hot button subject, what former Cowboy to they often go to for a sound bite? Tony Dorsett? Roger Staubach? Drew Pearson? Not usually. They dont move the dial. Dez Bryant will move the dial. Journalist's dont report or write news. They create scripts. Hoping for a "best seller"

2) I coach basketball. A gentleman I work with has a family of boys that wrestle. Between ourselves and the opinion of our trainers (as we look back). I had a player and he had a son with Covid. This was in December.

3) Ive coached for 25 years. Rural communities. The farm kids I had (both male and female) never got sick. Never.

4) Back when I was a kid if someone on the block got chicken pox, all of us got chicken pox. Then we were done with it. Do we all need to get Covid?

5) My son was diagnosed positive 2 weeks ago. He's been around us along with my daughter (also college aged) the entire time (home from school). No one else got it. He lost his smell and taste. By the time he got results back (48 hours), he was symptom free.

6) The reaction of the general populous to a vaccine has me the most intrigued. I think a vaccine exists. How it can be "spun" or how it can be used by either or both parties to sway the election is the crux. Just my opinion. Moving forward I think there is another virus and another vaccine around the corner--then another and another and another......now your immune system is controlled by someone else. I have never gotten the flew shot and I have never gotten sick. I will be hesitate to get the vaccine.

Ok Folks. Have at it. Looking forward to everyones thoughts

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I would personally assume he was told that. I am a casual NASCAR fan, so I also am not really sure how the garage system works, but I agree it was random (although an odd coincidence I guess), but what this was was definitely not a hoax. It was really a noose, and it wasn't planted by Bubba or anyone associated with him, agreed?

To go back to saying it was hanging 'over his car'.

That means he saw proof early on, before the photo came out. That means him saying he never saw it was a lie. If not, where's what he said he saw? No one's going to release that?

OR

He didn't see it, and all he saw was the photo we've all seen. The car's not even in the photo.

..

I have a problem with saying 'it's a noose', when there doesn't seem to be anything racial about it. Nooses are for hanging people, right? Unless you're telling me there's some funny business about it being there in 2019, and/or Wallace ending up in that garage, it's a door pull.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Think of Russia. Russia was the counter narrative to the Trump presidency for the first 3+ years. Everywhere you looked, news organizations would attempt to sway the narrative from what Trump wanted to what they wanted; talking about Russia. Russia. Was. Everywhere.

Has anything been proven about the Trump campaign and Russia. No. There's a lot of narrative though, and for three years, he's been bogged down day in and day about about Russia. "His campaign is Russian, he's in the pocket of Putin, Russia has a tape, Russia has dirt, Trump owes money to Russia ..."

Just as you believe people will see Trump as a moron for tweeting stupid things, others see the media as morons for continuing to push the Trump is Russia narrative. Yet, the narrative was incredibly effective at hurting Trump and helping blue elections in 2018. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, doesn't matter if there's really a tape of Trump in Russia w/ hookers in the room (among other things) ... all that matters is that it's in the air everywhere you look.

You continue to sell this notion that nothing has come of Russia investigation.

It's cute.

Stick to posting Covid019 data charts.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

You continue to sell this notion that nothing has come of Russia investigation.

It's cute.

Stick to posting Covid019 data charts.

You could have persuaded me by showing me a conviction about Russia. But you chose to focus on my looks.

Smart move.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I would personally assume he was told that. I am a casual NASCAR fan, so I also am not really sure how the garage system works, but I agree it was random (although an odd coincidence I guess), but what this was was definitely not a hoax. It was really a noose, and it wasn't planted by Bubba or anyone associated with him, agreed?

I doubt it was even a noose (hangman's knot). If it was it would tighten around the hand or fingers everytime the garage door was pulled down. It was more than likely made to not tighten, therefore not a noose. If you look hard enough you can find racism everywhere you look.

Bubba should have just said "hey it was here back in 2019, the FBI investigation is right. It's probably just a knotted rope for the garage door and not racist". No, instead he doubles down to Lemon and continues the victim card.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You could have persuaded me by showing me a conviction about Russia. But you chose to focus on my looks.

Smart move.

No conviction doesn't mean it didn't happen. Doesn't mean it did either, but how many guilty people have gotten away with crimes due to lack of evidence?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Has anything been proven about the Trump campaign and Russia. No.

Originally Posted by marl1220

No conviction doesn't mean it didn't happen. Doesn't mean it did either, but how many guilty people have gotten away with crimes due to lack of evidence?

Trump. Is he a blithering moron, or an international super spy for Russia who stole the 2016 election and covered his tracks with such efficiency the entire US government out to get him couldn't find anything?

Pick your fighter!

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Putin made people in Wisconsin vote for Trump?

Originally Posted by rman112

What would you estimate the quantifiable effects of Russia/Putin's efforts as being?

Another way of putting it - Would Clinton have have won otherwise?

Here is a peer-reviewed study that I posted a few times in the past. Maybe you will take the time to read it.

Okay, I doubt that you'll read it and will continue to support Russian-backed POTUS, Donnie Dementia.

https://firstmonday.org/article/view/10107/8049

[TheHeel]

Just wondering, who thinks OJ killed Nicole Brown-Simpson?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Here is a peer-reviewed study that I posted a few times in the past. Maybe you will take the time to read it.

Okay, I doubt that you'll read it and will continue to support Russian-backed POTUS, Donnie Dementia.

https://firstmonday.org/article/view/10107/8049

So you have no idea. Or you don't believe Clinton would have won, but don't want to say that.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by marl1220

No conviction doesn't mean it didn't happen. Doesn't mean it did either, but how many guilty people have gotten away with crimes due to lack of evidence?

Well that's a good way to cover your bases.

Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Doesn't mean it did, either.

Trump must really be a genius, then. If he's able to slide over and over.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Just wondering, who thinks OJ killed Nicole Brown-Simpson?

Let me guess, it wasnt OJ. Trump killed her due to Russian influence.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by rman112

So you have no idea. Or you don't believe Clinton would have won, but don't want to say that.

I don't know.

According to the study, Russian interference did, in fact, help Donnie Dementia.

Would he would have won without their help? I do not know.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

Let me guess, it wasnt OJ. Trump killed her due to Russian influence.

He's saying that someone can be guilty without being convicted.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

Let me guess, it wasnt OJ. Trump killed her due to Russian influence.

You weren't following along.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You could have persuaded me by showing me a conviction about Russia. But you chose to focus on my looks.

Smart move.

Oh, it's all so dizzying.

Does Papadopoulos count? I don't know because he apparently was merely the coffee boy that no one knew and silly George pled guilty.

Was Roger Stone's conviction related enough to Russia? It was only obstruction, making false statements and witness tampering and he was only in contact with the Trump campaign...no longer on staff.

Oh dear...please, please more charts and more about how you want to send your kids back to school like most of us do.

I'm not sure if I'll be able to handle if you tell me that these silly examples are simply too silly.

Please, be gentle.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I don't know.

According to the study, Russian interference did, in fact, help Donnie Dementia.

Would he would have won without their help? I do not know.

You said, and I quote:

'He just needed that little boost from Comrade Putin."

Needed. To win the election. In other words, WOULDN'T have won without Putin.

But now.. you 'don't know'.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by rman112

He's saying that someone can be guilty without being convicted.

Originally Posted by TheHeel

You weren't following along.

I understood/followed just fine.
Thought TheHeel would appreciate some Russian Influencw humor. He sure talks about it alot.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

Oh, it's all so dizzying.

Does Papadopoulos count? I don't know because he apparently was merely the coffee boy that no one knew and silly George pled guilty.

Was Roger Stone's conviction related enough to Russia? It was only obstruction, making false statements and witness tampering and he was only in contact with the Trump campaign...no longer on staff.

Oh dear...please, please more charts and more about how you want to send your kids back to school like most of us do.

I'm not sure if I'll be able to handle if you tell me that these silly examples are simply too silly.

Please, be gentle.

Lying to the FBI, Witness Tampering, Lying to the FBI. What are "crimes committed after the investigation is launched" for $1,000 Alex. Still waiting for the conviction that has the word Russia in it. You know there isn't one, you so hold up "Look at this guy, he's hiding something!"

The narrative writes itself.

[discostu]

There's no doubt that Clinton lost the election.

There were internal factors (lack of likeability, arrogance regarding previously Blue states and the DNC being completely tone-deaf to the populist movements) and external factors (Comey's announcement that the FBI was reopening the email issue and the vast social media campaigns coming out of GRU) that were at fault for her loss.

All of those factors (along with certainly others) are simply not quantifiable. Of course, a mere single percent or half a percent shift would have put her in the White House instead.

The entire Russia investigation should have been about stopping/limiting the effects in the future...not invalidating the 2016 results

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

There's no doubt that Clinton lost the election.

Whew. I was getting a little worried you thought she won.