2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade - Page 100

Bob Loblaw · 06-10-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

I'm sitting at my shop explaining to one of my customers this EPIC blowout disaster .....

I get to the end of the story and explain about the kris Bryant super...

His only comment is what if this is a scam?

He says "Well he made a bunch of money for a inferior product....

I'm like ya probably

Then says well what if the winner of the Bryant super is a scam and it ends up back with him...

This is devil advocate stuff...

But I just thought it very interesting for someone who knows nothing about this to comment like that.... First words out of his mouth

I think there are a lot of people who believe this. It's very, very easy to plant a box with the winner scratchoff, and then give the winner scratchoff the winning box /5. It can be staged. It would completely destroy the credibility of the repackager in the future, but it can be argued that the credibility is already quite damaged at this point.

nickha2 · 06-10-2015, 03:19 PM

There are alot of people here failing in statistics. If you have 1 card worth 50,000 do you know how many boxes need to be near 1,000 or less just to bring the average back down to 2,700 a box and even with that you know he is making money so the boxes will have even less value. There were probably 10-20 solid cards outside of the bryant super that made up this price point.

Since I have time I will do some of the math for you all. Ill take an sample of 30 boxes that include the bryant with an average of 1,000 return. That means $80,000 / 30 boxes is 2,666 per box roughly the sale point as of now. This also does not include any other costs associated with the production so the average box would be less in terms of return. So in 30 boxes you have 1 winner and 29 losers.

tiki4mvp · 06-10-2015, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by raidersfan1983

not gonna get involved in any of this just note your simple math is way off, the cases are $8k but there are only 100 of them. so at your numbers above (300 cases & 7K would be 2.1 million not 210k)

Ha ha man you are right my math was bad there.... but i think the point was still put across....

mikecamp99 · 06-10-2015, 03:37 PM

I have no dog in this fight outside of 1 $30 spot in Houdini's break that I figured why not.

I've been keeping up with this thread since it first started and it seemed time and time again whenever anyone wanted to call out ML/PR on his product or past products he was here almost immediately defending himself and promoting his new product.

Now these last couple days have gone by with so much backlash and there have been no posts outside of like one I saw saying to hang onto your scracthers that were losers. I understand the day of and the day after release even just kind of staying away to recoup and relax, but it's telling (for me at least) that he isn't on here defending his product now after it's been opened.

Bob Loblaw · 06-10-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mikecamp99

I have no dog in this fight outside of 1 $30 spot in Houdini's break that I figured why not.

I've been keeping up with this thread since it first started and it seemed time and time again whenever anyone wanted to call out ML/PR on his product or past products he was here almost immediately defending himself and promoting his new product.

Now these last couple days have gone by with so much backlash and there have been no posts outside of like one I saw saying to hang onto your scracthers that were losers. I understand the day of and the day after release even just kind of staying away to recoup and relax, but it's telling (for me at least) that he isn't on here defending his product now after it's been opened.

Silence speaks volumes.

edhou1 · 06-10-2015, 03:39 PM

knowing that Brian Gray at Leaf gets so many angry emails/messages about break values of his products, I can only imagine that ML/PR is getting much of the same

bobthewondercat · 06-10-2015, 03:41 PM

Oy vey. This product is exactly as described. EXACTLY. I would never buy a repack product personally just because it doesn't sound fun to me. But to those of you who did, you got exactly what you bought into!

Average % ROI looks higher than most wax. Plus a gambler's chance at the most hyped card of the last few years. Plus nice packaging, good customer service, and a complete checklist.

As far as the conspiracy theories go... Think of the massive amount of money and time Will invested in this... Does it really sound all like an elaborate ruse to repurchase the Bryant super? Hmm.

No wax has close to a 100% average ROI. If it did, the price would go up. You always pay a tax for the fun / thrill / risk of opening wax.

Americards · 06-10-2015, 03:56 PM

The people mostly complaining have not been involved in it,
If you bought a case to open for yourself, it is most likely money you could afford to lose..
I'm not hearing anyone saying, Damn, I just spent 5 months of mortgage payments, how will I pay for my mortgage now? It a high risk gamble! Everyone knew it...

Maybe next time, Will or any other repackager can buy the $1000 cards he wants to put in a product for $100, You can sell your cards to him for 10% of what they would sell for and he can sell it to buyers at a lower price to get everyone ROI much higher!

kinar · 06-10-2015, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Americards

The people mostly complaining have not been involved in it,
If you bought a box to open for yourself, it is most likely money you could afford to lose..
I'm not hearing anyone saying, Damn, I just spent 5 months of mortgage payments, how will I pay for my mortgage now? It a high risk gamble! Everyone knew it...

Maybe next time, Will or any other repackager can buy the $1000 cards he wants to put in a product for $100, You can sell your cards to him for 10% of what they would sell for and he can sell it to buyers at a lower price to get everyone ROI much higher!

Wanna trade mortgage payments?

HadWayTooMuch · 06-10-2015, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopster3977

If Prospect Rush didn't try to lowball me on some of my items, I might have sold him this card. Imagine the ruckus it would have started?

Can you describe the ruckus?

RYBOWSKI97 · 06-10-2015, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Silence speaks volumes.

its funny because all we tried to do was warn people and give our opinion but we were trolls. yet we are still here and the OP is gone. he got his money to bail out the money he blew on his cases and then some. i expect he rides off in the sunset cash in hand, end of prospect rush/

bpolla4 · 06-10-2015, 04:01 PM

Trying to get in a break right now. Anyone know anyone breaking?

Bob Loblaw · 06-10-2015, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bpolla4

Trying to get in a break right now. Anyone know anyone breaking?

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bpolla4 · 06-10-2015, 04:03 PM

I don't think he is gonna get the numbers

Americards · 06-10-2015, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kinar

Wanna trade mortgage payments?

Meant case not box

izybone · 06-10-2015, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kinar

Wanna trade mortgage payments?

YES!!!

Where do I sign?

hoopster3977 · 06-10-2015, 04:18 PM

My home is paid for........

hoopster3977 · 06-10-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

Can you describe the ruckus?

The invisible ink auto..............

NeedChapmans · 06-10-2015, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopster3977

My home is paid for........

When I'm 85, I hope my house is paid for too.

jewcer2k5 · 06-10-2015, 04:30 PM

My first box....Seems like most of the haters stayed out of the thread...

gabballplayer14 · 06-10-2015, 04:42 PM

^^ Not sure why they stayed out of the thread, but it looks like you lost at least $1k on it. Maybe people are getting tired of seeing crappy breaks already and just dont care at this point?

RobDerhak · 06-10-2015, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

I have no dog in this fight outside of 1 $30 spot in Houdini's break that I figured why not.

I've been keeping up with this thread since it first started and it seemed time and time again whenever anyone wanted to call out ML/PR on his product or past products he was here almost immediately defending himself and promoting his new product.

Now these last couple days have gone by with so much backlash and there have been no posts outside of like one I saw saying to hang onto your scracthers that were losers. I understand the day of and the day after release even just kind of staying away to recoup and relax, but it's telling (for me at least) that he isn't on here defending his product now after it's been opened.

Why feed the trolls? I'm sure he sees why Topps/Panini/everybody else in the industry stays off message boards. Because they are filled with petty a$$holes that expect nothing less than the products they buy to yield 150% ROI, and when they never do, they pee & moan to the hive mind.

Cactuspies · 06-10-2015, 05:08 PM

sorry to quote the whole thing. So a Bryant was the 10th hit? Isn't that card right there close to $700-$900 on it's own? Shouldn't that be #1? The Seager is at least $250-$300 and the Schwarber around $150 and going up. That was just one box for the $2700 correct, and close to 1/2 of the price made back on 3 cards (if using my higher numbers).

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

My first box....Seems like most of the haters stayed out of the thread...

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

^^ Not sure why they stayed out of the thread, but it looks like you lost at least $1k on it. Maybe people are getting tired of seeing crappy breaks already and just dont care at this point?

I think it's a technical loss overall when all is said and done, but not 1k and it was for a break so it's not like HE put in $2700, it was spread out.

Now some of the other breaks are piss poor, but PR said there would be basically a min. of $500 of value on the boxes, that amount is being delivered.

cyndeeg3 · 06-10-2015, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

^^ Not sure why they stayed out of the thread, but it looks like you lost at least $1k on it. Maybe people are getting tired of seeing crappy breaks already and just dont care at this point?

Right?

ok, let's all join in. :-)

WOW! That is the least crappiest case I have seen so far, amazing 8.5, love the Schwarber blue (wait, no ink????) amazing Red Zimmer, those are really sweet looking ($18) cards! whohoooooooooooooooooo

NeedChapmans · 06-10-2015, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

^^ Not sure why they stayed out of the thread, but it looks like you lost at least $1k on it. Maybe people are getting tired of seeing crappy breaks already and just dont care at this point?

It was a group break, he didn't lose anything, but that looks like more of a typical box break. Probably around $1,500 in value there so right around that 55% ROI that made sense.

Remember, I took a rough estimate of the ROI and suggested there was $460,000 in value across 300 boxes. That's about $1,550 per box in expected value, including the Bryants, so I think this box hits right there. The ones we've seen early have likely been under that, and I'm sure there are a few that will be over that.

06-10-2015, 03:19 PM	#2477
nickha2 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lambeau Field Posts: 6,907	There are alot of people here failing in statistics. If you have 1 card worth 50,000 do you know how many boxes need to be near 1,000 or less just to bring the average back down to 2,700 a box and even with that you know he is making money so the boxes will have even less value. There were probably 10-20 solid cards outside of the bryant super that made up this price point. Since I have time I will do some of the math for you all. Ill take an sample of 30 boxes that include the bryant with an average of 1,000 return. That means $80,000 / 30 boxes is 2,666 per box roughly the sale point as of now. This also does not include any other costs associated with the production so the average box would be less in terms of return. So in 30 boxes you have 1 winner and 29 losers. Last edited by nickha2; 06-10-2015 at 03:22 PM.

06-10-2015, 03:37 PM	#2479
mikecamp99 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 7,160 mdcamp1120	I have no dog in this fight outside of 1 $30 spot in Houdini's break that I figured why not. I've been keeping up with this thread since it first started and it seemed time and time again whenever anyone wanted to call out ML/PR on his product or past products he was here almost immediately defending himself and promoting his new product. Now these last couple days have gone by with so much backlash and there have been no posts outside of like one I saw saying to hang onto your scracthers that were losers. I understand the day of and the day after release even just kind of staying away to recoup and relax, but it's telling (for me at least) that he isn't on here defending his product now after it's been opened. __________________ INCOMING:

06-10-2015, 03:41 PM	#2482
bobthewondercat Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Reno / Tahoe Posts: 2,400 adam-benjamin bobthewondercat	Oy vey. This product is exactly as described. EXACTLY. I would never buy a repack product personally just because it doesn't sound fun to me. But to those of you who did, you got exactly what you bought into! Average % ROI looks higher than most wax. Plus a gambler's chance at the most hyped card of the last few years. Plus nice packaging, good customer service, and a complete checklist. As far as the conspiracy theories go... Think of the massive amount of money and time Will invested in this... Does it really sound all like an elaborate ruse to repurchase the Bryant super? Hmm. No wax has close to a 100% average ROI. If it did, the price would go up. You always pay a tax for the fun / thrill / risk of opening wax. __________________ No Big Whoop

06-10-2015, 03:56 PM	#2483
Americards Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: USA Posts: 4,874	The people mostly complaining have not been involved in it, If you bought a case to open for yourself, it is most likely money you could afford to lose.. I'm not hearing anyone saying, Damn, I just spent 5 months of mortgage payments, how will I pay for my mortgage now? It a high risk gamble! Everyone knew it... Maybe next time, Will or any other repackager can buy the $1000 cards he wants to put in a product for $100, You can sell your cards to him for 10% of what they would sell for and he can sell it to buyers at a lower price to get everyone ROI much higher! Last edited by Americards; 06-10-2015 at 04:07 PM.

06-10-2015, 04:30 PM	#2495
jewcer2k5 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NY, NY Posts: 37,696 pc_sportscards	My first box....Seems like most of the haters stayed out of the thread... __________________ If you have a PC Sportscards Customer Service question please reach out to litehouse17 on here and Kevin can help! PSA subs - If you are a vet can you help the new guys? Sometimes I don’t have time to reply

06-10-2015, 03:39 PM	#2481
edhou1 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Edgewater, NJ Posts: 2,533	knowing that Brian Gray at Leaf gets so many angry emails/messages about break values of his products, I can only imagine that ML/PR is getting much of the same

06-10-2015, 04:01 PM	#2487
bpolla4 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 282	Trying to get in a break right now. Anyone know anyone breaking?

06-10-2015, 04:03 PM	#2489
bpolla4 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 282	I don't think he is gonna get the numbers

06-10-2015, 04:18 PM	#2492
hoopster3977 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Art's Preforming Center Posts: 3,582	My home is paid for........

06-10-2015, 04:42 PM	#2496
gabballplayer14 Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 5,598	^^ Not sure why they stayed out of the thread, but it looks like you lost at least $1k on it. Maybe people are getting tired of seeing crappy breaks already and just dont care at this point?