Addressing the issue:

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by Tesla

Admitting to shill bidding:

Suspended From eBay, All Listings Cancelled, Selling Here

So he has been a scamming piece of crap for the last 4 years. As Larry Crowne would say, "Spectacalar!"

[NonSportsCardForum]

I like turtles........

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by NonSportsCardForum

I like turtles........

I hate turtles...I picked one up and it peed all over me...I like toads because at least they only pee on your hands, not your shirt. Thing was like a fountain...

[chezball]

OK boys and girls,I think 42 pages of this is enough.

[Bob Loblaw]

Technically, the initial message has a plethora of errors and lies in it. However, it has one lie that's not been mentioned. He indicated that one buddy bid on it.

I also placed an offer on the card.

It was a $2 offer advising him to check out the thread on BO.

But nonetheless, I would have paid the $2 had I won.

[cking]

[JenAndKylesCard]

Originally Posted by cking

That had to be painful....

[cking]

Originally Posted by JenAndKylesCard

That had to be painful....

And to the people who were there it was probably pretty funny as well. I love watching people who try to showoff and fail miserably and painfully.

When I feel down sometimes I watch fail compilations on Youtube and suddenly I no longer feel bad.

I have the satisfaction of knowing that life may not be perfect but at least I will never be as stupid as some of the people I see on Youtube.

[MetDude]

Originally Posted by JenAndKylesCard

Adults say and do the right thing regardless of fanboy bashing. Your source must have been cut out of what ever deal MC had and is now retaliating. ( I haven't read the whole post, just my thoughts up to this point) Why else would he pal around with him and then say stuff behind his back. A true friend would slap him in the face and tell him to grow the Eff up and not try and pull stuff like this.

in b4 lock

Why do you assume source is an adult ?

What if the source is a minor who is terrified about having this crap show up at their door,
and so rather than do nothing, they told someone ?

If the "unnamed source" had no evidence and everything was pure conjecture, it would matter.
But the accused has admitted their guilt, therefore the "credibility of the source" is immaterial.

My only disappointment about not knowing their name
is the inability to thank them personally for their help to the community.

So, to whoever the heck the source is,

THANK YOU!

[WCTYSON]

Originally Posted by chezball

OK boys and girls,I think 42 pages of this is enough.

Who cares what you think. A lot of people trusted this person with a lot of high-end cards and money. The word needs to be spread not only here but around the hobby. No room for people like that.

Originally Posted by MetDude

Why do you assume source is an adult ?

What if the source is a minor who is terrified about having this crap show up at their door,
and so rather than do nothing, they told someone ?

If the "unnamed source" had no evidence and everything was pure conjecture, it would matter.
But the accused has admitted their guilt, therefore the "credibility of the source" is immaterial.

My only disappointment about not knowing their name
is the inability to thank them personally for their help to the community.

So, to whoever the heck the source is,

THANK YOU!

Very true and well put.

A big THANK YOU to the source. I only wish the info about him shilling would have been addressed here sooner, so that maybe he would not have made as much money and did as many deals. I know for one I would not have ever dealt with him.

[Gr5]

I just wanna make a few points, after reading 6 pages of this nonsense I couldnt help myself anymore.

What Mike did with the arcia was stupid. Idk whats more stupid though, the fact he did it, or the fact it slipped past bgs (probably the fact he did it, love you mike but stupid stupid move).

Bottom line is there are way more serious things that pass through bgs and into holders that shouldn't. The baseball boards are apparently too sheltered to understand that.

Ive been at the national since tuesday, and I can assure Mike NEVER ran away from any of this. So for the person who said that, saying things like that to stir up stuff, just a dumb move. Its ridiculous to try and beat him down more when stuff is already a headache for him. Had alot of respect for the member im referencing, but after all I heard about him stirring the pot today, man thats just so wrong and you shouldnt be proud of yourself by any means.

So moral of my story is this whole blowout community needs to move on. Whats done with the arcia is done, and all the bs about cards being swapped in bgs submissions, cmon now. 0 concrete evidence in that, and no way mike pulls that move. Ive known mike for a few years now, hes just not that kind of person.

Feel free to bash me for whats said here, ill be walking away from my computer to go do real life things since im only in chicago for two more nights.

[mickdapug]

Originally Posted by Gr5

I just wanna make a few points, after reading 6 pages of this nonsense I couldnt help myself anymore.

What Mike did with the arcia was stupid. Idk whats more stupid though, the fact he did it, or the fact it slipped past bgs (probably the fact he did it, love you mike but stupid stupid move).

Bottom line is there are way more serious things that pass through bgs and into holders that shouldn't. The baseball boards are apparently too sheltered to understand that.

Ive been at the national since tuesday, and I can assure Mike NEVER ran away from any of this. So for the person who said that, saying things like that to stir up stuff, just a dumb move. Its ridiculous to try and beat him down more when stuff is already a headache for him. Had alot of respect for the member im referencing, but after all I heard about him stirring the pot today, man thats just so wrong and you shouldnt be proud of yourself by any means.

So moral of my story is this whole blowout community needs to move on. Whats done with the arcia is done, and all the bs about cards being swapped in bgs submissions, cmon now. 0 concrete evidence in that, and no way mike pulls that move. Ive known mike for a few years now, hes just not that kind of person.

Feel free to bash me for whats said here, ill be walking away from my computer to go do real life things since im only in chicago for two more nights.

You nut huggers are so ridiculous...ya hes not that kind of person..lol you are a fool!

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by JenAndKylesCard

Adults say and do the right thing regardless of fanboy bashing. Your source must have been cut out of what ever deal MC had and is now retaliating. ( I haven't read the whole post, just my thoughts up to this point) Why else would he pal around with him and then say stuff behind his back. A true friend would slap him in the face and tell him to grow the Eff up and not try and pull stuff like this.

in b4 lock

From what the "source told me it seemed if Mike was just being a braggart.

I did a lot of searching of the sources posts and Itrader. I went through hundreds of posts and threads and so no interaction between the 2. So I saw no obvious interaction between the 2.

I would suggest the source come in himself

[ManInTheMirror]

Originally Posted by Gr5

Whats done with the arcia is done, and all the bs about cards being swapped in bgs submissions, cmon now. 0 concrete evidence in that, and no way mike pulls that move. Ive known mike for a few years now, hes just not that kind of person.

What has transpired with the Arcia only proves that he is indeed "that kind of person".

[37Jetson]

With all due respect we are adults and we are entitled to decide for ourselves if MikeC's transgressions are significant or worth being blindly forgiven. There are so many things that MikeC has done that now must be brought into question. I bet if you had a non-serial numbered card graded by him you would be pulling it out to compare it against what you sent him.

It is OK to cautious and skeptical now that MikeC has shown what he is capable of doing.

Originally Posted by Gr5

I just wanna make a few points, after reading 6 pages of this nonsense I couldnt help myself anymore.

What Mike did with the arcia was stupid. Idk whats more stupid though, the fact he did it, or the fact it slipped past bgs (probably the fact he did it, love you mike but stupid stupid move).

Bottom line is there are way more serious things that pass through bgs and into holders that shouldn't. The baseball boards are apparently too sheltered to understand that.

Ive been at the national since tuesday, and I can assure Mike NEVER ran away from any of this. So for the person who said that, saying things like that to stir up stuff, just a dumb move. Its ridiculous to try and beat him down more when stuff is already a headache for him. Had alot of respect for the member im referencing, but after all I heard about him stirring the pot today, man thats just so wrong and you shouldnt be proud of yourself by any means.

So moral of my story is this whole blowout community needs to move on. Whats done with the arcia is done, and all the bs about cards being swapped in bgs submissions, cmon now. 0 concrete evidence in that, and no way mike pulls that move. Ive known mike for a few years now, hes just not that kind of person.

Feel free to bash me for whats said here, ill be walking away from my computer to go do real life things since im only in chicago for two more nights.

[uberfatty]

Originally Posted by Gr5

I just wanna make a few points, after reading 6 pages of this nonsense I couldnt help myself anymore.

What Mike did with the arcia was stupid. Idk whats more stupid though, the fact he did it, or the fact it slipped past bgs (probably the fact he did it, love you mike but stupid stupid move).

Bottom line is there are way more serious things that pass through bgs and into holders that shouldn't. The baseball boards are apparently too sheltered to understand that.

Ive been at the national since tuesday, and I can assure Mike NEVER ran away from any of this. So for the person who said that, saying things like that to stir up stuff, just a dumb move. Its ridiculous to try and beat him down more when stuff is already a headache for him. Had alot of respect for the member im referencing, but after all I heard about him stirring the pot today, man thats just so wrong and you shouldnt be proud of yourself by any means.

So moral of my story is this whole blowout community needs to move on. Whats done with the arcia is done, and all the bs about cards being swapped in bgs submissions, cmon now. 0 concrete evidence in that, and no way mike pulls that move. Ive known mike for a few years now, hes just not that kind of person.

Feel free to bash me for whats said here, ill be walking away from my computer to go do real life things since im only in chicago for two more nights.

Enjoy your night in Chicago doing real life things. Grab a slice of deep dish.

When you inevitably check on this thread tomorrow, reflect for a moment about how stupid the bolded words above sound given all of the history of scammers on this board, and specifically all of the evidence presented in this situation. Before this weekend you also would have said MC was not capable of anything that has come out already, correct?

As for MC's "headache" right now (underlined above), I doubt many have any sympathy for what he is feeling right now. Something about reaping and sowing comes to mind.

[statman32]

Originally Posted by Gr5

I just wanna make a few points, after reading 6 pages of this nonsense I couldnt help myself anymore.

What Mike did with the arcia was stupid. Idk whats more stupid though, the fact he did it, or the fact it slipped past bgs (probably the fact he did it, love you mike but stupid stupid move).

Bottom line is there are way more serious things that pass through bgs and into holders that shouldn't. The baseball boards are apparently too sheltered to understand that.

Ive been at the national since tuesday, and I can assure Mike NEVER ran away from any of this. So for the person who said that, saying things like that to stir up stuff, just a dumb move. Its ridiculous to try and beat him down more when stuff is already a headache for him. Had alot of respect for the member im referencing, but after all I heard about him stirring the pot today, man thats just so wrong and you shouldnt be proud of yourself by any means.

So moral of my story is this whole blowout community needs to move on. Whats done with the arcia is done, and all the bs about cards being swapped in bgs submissions, cmon now. 0 concrete evidence in that, and no way mike pulls that move. Ive known mike for a few years now, hes just not that kind of person.

Feel free to bash me for whats said here, ill be walking away from my computer to go do real life things since im only in chicago for two more nights.

That was a fairly nice attempt at a hit and run. Your ability to do real life things is impressive. I think in the midst of all of this, we have also discovered two different things. First, plenty of members are overreacting and speaking rudely. Secondly, the members who choose to continue to associate themselves with Mike, present a aura of cockiness.

Questioning whether or not Mike has practiced other shady business matters is acceptable. He has shown a pattern of questionable behavior and his age means nothing. The outcome of a 16 year old scamming you and a 30 year old scamming you is the same. You got scammed in both instances.

The stupid thing was altering the Arcia card but the worst thing was his attempt at lying after the fact. It seems like those defending him choose to skip that part. His lying provided us with the ammo we need to question his past actions, and his current apology.

I am sorry this has been a headache for him. It would be nice if this could all just go away for him right? I'm sorry but any attempt at portraying him as any sort of victim is flat out wrong.

People don't get scammed by others that they go into business knowing that they scam. They get scammed by those they think they know, but find out later they were wrong. Knowing Mike for years does not change that.

[Mrpokey]

"He's just not that kind of person"

Same thing was said about Haiku, no one believed he could do anything he was being accused of. It took massive amounts of evidence before people finally starting seeing the truth.

As to this "source" I'm just skeptical of Sikkcaden ONLY because after the Haiku stuff cam out and people started lighting up his feedback with negative, Sikkcaden leaves positive feedback saying "I miss you so much it hurts. " and "I know your innocent. I hope you're ok <3" Just seemed weird to me, and I've remembered it (same thing with lagalaxyfan23)
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/itrader.php?u=27420

[gingerscards]

pretty simple , Mike messed up and should of never of gone that far with it by listing on ebay , I remember his thread on this card and it was the hit of the box and so bad off centered worthless and saying he was going to sign it himself and send it BGS see what happens for giggles , all that is fine , the second it hits the market for sale then it is scam level stuff, no if ands or butts on that
all the other stuff ,shilling , fake cards etc , I am just reading about this stuff now
was Nationals this year the exposer of all of what has been wrong in the hobby , this incident , the one wiith sensi(sergio) , the theft of the psa 4 Mantle with $8000 , Panini flooding the show with all the big hits as if they knew exactly who to give too and what was in said boxes , holding out on logo hits in basketball to drive sales for a couple more weeks of chasing lol , GREED ,GREED , GREED is what sums all this up as motive

just my two cents worth , I am not passing judgement on any of these situations as I am still reading about them and researching facts , but it is not looking good in any of them lol

so what do we do as hobby goers , seen a thread on how many members would or could you trust here , couple of positive post ,but for the most part response was zero , can trust no one , and I feel the same way , I have relationships with some here I like to say I can trust and have in the past , but with $400 gift payment ,heck no , just worth paying $12.50 to be protected lol makes no sense to take such a risk for any reason
so again where does that leave us and where is the hobby headed >??? looks bleak ,it is getting harder and harder to do deals as you have to cover every base and check someone out and ask question that may offend some and before you know it , deal is shut down lol

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by Gr5

I just wanna make a few points, after reading 6 pages of this nonsense I couldnt help myself anymore.

What Mike did with the arcia was stupid. Idk whats more stupid though, the fact he did it, or the fact it slipped past bgs (probably the fact he did it, love you mike but stupid stupid move).

And you are forgetting listing it, and then saying it was pack pulled after telling someone what are you going to do about me faking the card. Odd all his guy friends never mention this part.

[Bullpup]

Now people are fighting with each other over this?

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by gingerscards

pretty simple , Mike messed up and should of never of gone that far with it by listing on ebay , I remember his thread on this card and it was the hit of the box and so bad off centered worthless and saying he was going to sign it himself and send it BGS see what happens for giggles ,

Please stop talking out your poophole.

He BOUGHT the card on Ebay

[Andrew Jones]

Originally Posted by gingerscards

pretty simple , Mike messed up and should of never of gone that far with it by listing on ebay , I remember his thread on this card and it was the hit of the box and so bad off centered worthless and saying he was going to sign it himself and send it BGS see what happens for giggles , all that is fine , the second it hits the market for sale then it is scam level stuff, no if ands or butts on that
all the other stuff ,shilling , fake cards etc , I am just reading about this stuff now
was Nationals this year the exposer of all of what has been wrong in the hobby , this incident , the one wiith sensi(sergio) , the theft of the psa 4 Mantle with $8000 , Panini flooding the show with all the big hits as if they knew exactly who to give too and what was in said boxes , holding out on logo hits in basketball to drive sales for a couple more weeks of chasing lol , GREED ,GREED , GREED is what sums all this up as motive

just my two cents worth , I am not passing judgement on any of these situations as I am still reading about them and researching facts , but it is not looking good in any of them lol

so what do we do as hobby goers , seen a thread on how many members would or could you trust here , couple of positive post ,but for the most part response was zero , can trust no one , and I feel the same way , I have relationships with some here I like to say I can trust and have in the past , but with $400 gift payment ,heck no , just worth paying $12.50 to be protected lol makes no sense to take such a risk for any reason
so again where does that leave us and where is the hobby headed >??? looks bleak ,it is getting harder and harder to do deals as you have to cover every base and check someone out and ask question that may offend some and before you know it , deal is shut down lol

You remember a thread where he discussed pulling a card that he didn't pull because he purchased it off of eBay? Impressive.

[statman32]

Originally Posted by Bullpup

Now people are fighting with each other over this?

I don't think most are fighting. Constructive conversation is allowed.

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Gingercards makes my head hurt.

[FreeMan12406]

Originally Posted by gingerscards

pretty simple , Mike messed up and should of never of gone that far with it by listing on ebay , I remember his thread on this card and it was the hit of the box and so bad off centered worthless and saying he was going to sign it himself and send it BGS see what happens for giggles , all that is fine , the second it hits the market for sale then it is scam level stuff, no if ands or butts on that
all the other stuff ,shilling , fake cards etc , I am just reading about this stuff now
was Nationals this year the exposer of all of what has been wrong in the hobby , this incident , the one wiith sensi(sergio) , the theft of the psa 4 Mantle with $8000 , Panini flooding the show with all the big hits as if they knew exactly who to give too and what was in said boxes , holding out on logo hits in basketball to drive sales for a couple more weeks of chasing lol , GREED ,GREED , GREED is what sums all this up as motive

just my two cents worth , I am not passing judgement on any of these situations as I am still reading about them and researching facts , but it is not looking good in any of them lol

so what do we do as hobby goers , seen a thread on how many members would or could you trust here , couple of positive post ,but for the most part response was zero , can trust no one , and I feel the same way , I have relationships with some here I like to say I can trust and have in the past , but with $400 gift payment ,heck no , just worth paying $12.50 to be protected lol makes no sense to take such a risk for any reason
so again where does that leave us and where is the hobby headed >??? looks bleak ,it is getting harder and harder to do deals as you have to cover every base and check someone out and ask question that may offend some and before you know it , deal is shut down lol

Well just when you think it couldn't get dumber, Pat shows up.