2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR 1994 SF #1/1 - Page 10

bulljh · 02-02-2013, 02:25 PM

"This could have been a great story and free publicity for Topps in my opinion."

Ahh so you were hoping for some kind of 15 minuets of fame. Sorry bro, not going to happen. No one cares.

WilsonValdez · 02-02-2013, 02:43 PM

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davepeters239 · 02-02-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mjbuchanan80

Time to take my stab at logic.

Mr. Peters - can we agree that the Arod cards were THE chase cards in 2005 Bowman Chrome? More so, the 1/1 Arod cards...any version (Superfractor base, Supefractor auto, and of course the non-superfractor auto 1/1 that Topps seems to make no mention of that you claim to have).

So we have a grand total of THREE REALLY important cards produced that is a prime selling point for one of their biggest products.

So Mr. Peters, wouldn't be logical that there was a great deal of importance in making sure these THREE cards were stamped 1/1, autographed, stickered, and finally quality checked before getting placed into the final production phase to be packed out?

Wouldn't it also be probable that the Bowman Chrome brand manager, designers, et.al. would want to personally see the THREE cards that their customers will be chasing. My guess is no less than 10 sets of hands personally held these cards...meaning no less than 10 sets of eyes looked at them, studied them, and thoroughly examined them as well.

Your logic is stating that none of this occurred. That one of the THREE most important cards in the product were simple thrown into a stack for Arod to sign, thrown in a machine to number it 1/1 and then packed out without any quality control whatsoever.

...wow.

I can only comment on the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs 94A-AR card which is the card in this thread. The odds to pull this card was 1:614,088 packs and there is only 1 version of this card making it a 1/1.

It seems for whatever reason most of the checklists online list the 94-AR version as a SF or superfractor. My guess is there was an initial product checklist released by Topps or Beckett that contained the error listing this as a superfractor. I am unsure why it was never fixed or updated.

I think there may be a non autographed superfractor version of this card but cannot say for sure as I don't know. So I have to maybe disagree with you about three cards but will say there may be two?

If you look up the grading number (Card Serial Number: 0004133288) on the Beckett website you will see it is in the population report listed as the A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1

I will agree on you that this was probably a huge selling point for this product and this was maybe one of the most sought after cards for this set back in 2005 and later years.

I wish very much there were more tighter quality controls with the card companies and have even offered to help Topps with this.

All I can go by with happened to this card I have is that it was pack pulled by a customer in 2005 who wrote in to the December 2005 Beckett readers writes section and asked about this very card.

I guess Beckett then asked Topps what happened and this was the reply.

"During production, chrome cards have a tendency to stick together. This is what most likely happened and an unknown number of unsigned cards were accidentally inserted into packs. Any collector in possession of these cards needs to contact our customer service department so we can resolve the situation."

Now I don't know if that was the truth or not and may never know but as far as I am concerned that answer and with the card being graded proves it is not a backdoor product.

The last part you mention is the serial numbering and this part troubled me as well. I didn't realize till someone posted in this thread that there would not be a 1/1 foil stamped serial number on the card but rather a 1/1 triangle hologram sticker thing Topps used back then.

californiakron · 02-02-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by davepeters239

I can only comment on the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs 94A-AR card which is the card in this thread. The odds to pull this card was 1:614,088 packs and there is only 1 version of this card making it a 1/1.

It seems for whatever reason most of the checklists online list the 94-AR version as a SF or superfractor. My guess is there was an initial product checklist released by Topps or Beckett that contained the error listing this as a superfractor. I am unsure why it was never fixed or updated.

I think there may be a non autographed superfractor version of this card but cannot say for sure as I don't know. So I have to maybe disagree with you about three cards but will say there may be two?

If you look up the grading number (Card Serial Number: 0004133288) on the Beckett website you will see it is in the population report listed as the A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1

I will agree on you that this was probably a huge selling point for this product and this was maybe one of the most sought after cards for this set back in 2005 and later years.

I wish very much there were more tighter quality controls with the card companies and have even offered to help Topps with this.

All I can go by with happened to this card I have is that it was pack pulled by a customer in 2005 who wrote in to the December 2005 Beckett readers writes section and asked about this very card.

I guess Beckett then asked Topps what happened and this was the reply.

"During production, chrome cards have a tendency to stick together. This is what most likely happened and an unknown number of unsigned cards were accidentally inserted into packs. Any collector in possession of these cards needs to contact our customer service department so we can resolve the situation."

Now I don't know if that was the truth or not and may never know but as far as I am concerned that answer and with the card being graded proves it is not a backdoor product.

The last part you mention is the serial numbering and this part troubled me as well. I didn't realize till someone posted in this thread that there would not be a 1/1 foil stamped serial number on the card but rather a 1/1 triangle hologram sticker thing Topps used back then.

davepeters239 · 02-02-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by slugger3469

I've got a 2007 Topps Chrome Adrian Peterson refractor rookie. It has the square on the back "not valid without sticker". I talked to Topps about this. ALL THE REFRACTORS WERE MADE THE SAME WAY.

BGS saying its a 1/1 only means its the only one thats been graded. So in that sense, you arent wrong.

So the Arod, without a doubt, is a legit card. It was intentionally made for one reason or another. That cannot be disputed. Backdoored or accidental insertion

, it is a card made by Topps. Your claim to it being a 1/1 is invalid for a laundry list of reasons, all of which have been proved by other much more knowledgeable, reasonable and frankly more intelligent members of the forum. I am not attacking or questioning your intelligence as a person, just as relates to this hobby.

Your lies and diversions have been discredited time & time again and you have no proof, or fail to provide the proof, to counter. I know that if I had a chance to meet ARoid, even though I cant stand him, I dont care if the Pepsi truck driver was my witness I'd be there to get that autograph. It's almost as if you are intentionally dragging this out, as if vindication is out there to be achieved. It is not. You are a helluva story teller and very persistent, I will give you that. But unfortunately, thats all you'll get from me.

Whoa Whoa Whoa

I have not made any lies or diversions and really don't appreciate that. I have provided proof after proof and no one seems to be listening?

I don't know anything about those 2007 cards so I would not be able to comment on them.

Anyone who wants to can look this card up on the Beckett website and verify this is the A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1 card. The /1 there means it is a 1/1 card not that only one has been graded and you can contact Beckett to verify all of this.

People keep mentioning backdoored cards but I don't think BGS would even grade a card they thought was stolen like that.

Topps verified with Beckett that this card and perhaps other cards were inserted into packs. I am not sure what Topps meant by others and if they meant other arods or other plavers.

davepeters239 · 02-02-2013, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulljh

"This could have been a great story and free publicity for Topps in my opinion."

Ahh so you were hoping for some kind of 15 minuets of fame. Sorry bro, not going to happen. No one cares.

So I guess you didn't read my other post where I said I didn't really want to meet him and just wanted the card signed?

thenwhatjk · 02-02-2013, 03:24 PM

whats this about a porno?

bulljh · 02-02-2013, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davepeters239

So I guess you didn't read my other post where I said I didn't really want to meet him and just wanted the card signed?

That quote is from you. And seriously? selling porn on ebay? who does that?

mjbuchanan80 · 02-02-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by davepeters239

I can only comment on the 2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs 94A-AR card which is the card in this thread. The odds to pull this card was 1:614,088 packs and there is only 1 version of this card making it a 1/1.

It seems for whatever reason most of the checklists online list the 94-AR version as a SF or superfractor. My guess is there was an initial product checklist released by Topps or Beckett that contained the error listing this as a superfractor. I am unsure why it was never fixed or updated.

I think there may be a non autographed superfractor version of this card but cannot say for sure as I don't know. So I have to maybe disagree with you about three cards but will say there may be two?

If you look up the grading number (Card Serial Number: 0004133288) on the Beckett website you will see it is in the population report listed as the A.Rodriguez 1994 SF/1

I will agree on you that this was probably a huge selling point for this product and this was maybe one of the most sought after cards for this set back in 2005 and later years.

I wish very much there were more tighter quality controls with the card companies and have even offered to help Topps with this.

All I can go by with happened to this card I have is that it was pack pulled by a customer in 2005 who wrote in to the December 2005 Beckett readers writes section and asked about this very card.

I guess Beckett then asked Topps what happened and this was the reply.

"During production, chrome cards have a tendency to stick together. This is what most likely happened and an unknown number of unsigned cards were accidentally inserted into packs. Any collector in possession of these cards needs to contact our customer service department so we can resolve the situation."

Now I don't know if that was the truth or not and may never know but as far as I am concerned that answer and with the card being graded proves it is not a backdoor product.

The last part you mention is the serial numbering and this part troubled me as well. I didn't realize till someone posted in this thread that there would not be a 1/1 foil stamped serial number on the card but rather a 1/1 triangle hologram sticker thing Topps used back then.

Congratulations on ignoring almost my entire post. You also failed to see that most of my questions were non-rhetorical.

Let me try again, less tact:

In 2005, 1/1 cards...regardless of "Superfractor", "non-superfractor". "auto"...whatever...were a PRETTY BIG F***ING DEAL. 1/1 were in their prime, pretty few and far between, and an incredible pull for anyone.

Also in 2005, Topps had competition. Upper Deck, Fleer, Donruss...all still in the game and producing licensed cards.

Regardless of Topps quality control issues (which had to be a little better with all the competition), a 1/1 card would have been thoroughly inspected.

YOUR CARD IS NOT A 1/1. I can say with 99.99999% certainty that Topps employees personally handled and reviewed ALL of the 1/1 cards released in 2005 Bowman Chrome.

A ONE OF F***ING ONE DID NOT SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS UNNUMBERED, UNSTICKERED, AND UNAUTOGRAPHED!!!

Did the /25, /50, /100, etc... probably stick together (like Topps has said),not get autographed and get packed out. Probably...Topps pretty much admitted this was the case.

Ok...so you have the triangle on the back that is for a sticker that has been deemed something only a 1/1 would contain. Well there you go. Topps produced a few of these extra 1/1's in case the 1/1 they ACTUALLY PACKED OUT STICKERED, AUTO'ED, #'ED didn't pass quality control specs.

You have a back-doored card. THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE. DEAL WITH IT!!

We are not confused. We know what you have. You have just convinced yourself that you have something that you really don't and refuse to take off the blinders.

And please stop referencing the Beckett labeling of your card. They messed up. They labeled it wrong or assumed to much.

Please stop being ignorant. You are 44...start acting like it.

WilsonValdez · 02-02-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsonvaldez

do you still have that porno you filmed? If so, is it ft?

SHOW Me THE PORNO!!!!!

davepeters239 · 02-02-2013, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjbuchanan80

Congratulations on ignoring almost my entire post. You also failed to see that most of my questions were non-rhetorical.

Let me try again, less tact:

In 2005, 1/1 cards...regardless of "Superfractor", "non-superfractor". "auto"...whatever...were a PRETTY BIG F***ING DEAL. 1/1 were in their prime, pretty few and far between, and an incredible pull for anyone.

Also in 2005, Topps had competition. Upper Deck, Fleer, Donruss...all still in the game and producing licensed cards.

Regardless of Topps quality control issues (which had to be a little better with all the competition), a 1/1 card would have been thoroughly inspected.

YOUR CARD IS NOT A 1/1. I can say with 99.99999% certainty that Topps employees personally handled and reviewed ALL of the 1/1 cards released in 2005 Bowman Chrome.

A ONE OF F***ING ONE DID NOT SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS UNNUMBERED, UNSTICKERED, AND UNAUTOGRAPHED!!!

Did the /25, /50, /100, etc... probably stick together (like Topps has said),not get autographed and get packed out. Probably...Topps pretty much admitted this was the case.

Ok...so you have the triangle on the back that is for a sticker that has been deemed something only a 1/1 would contain. Well there you go. Topps produced a few of these extra 1/1's in case the 1/1 they ACTUALLY PACKED OUT STICKERED, AUTO'ED, #'ED didn't pass quality control specs.

You have a back-doored card. THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE. DEAL WITH IT!!

We are not confused. We know what you have. You have just convinced yourself that you have something that you really don't and refuse to take off the blinders.

And please stop referencing the Beckett labeling of your card. They messed up. They labeled it wrong or assumed to much.

Please stop being ignorant. You are 44...start acting like it.

You cannot keep saying this card is not a 1/1 when I have provided proof that it is indeed a 1/1.

I cannot say whether Topps employees handled all 1/1 cards released in the 2005 Bowman Chrome and am unsure you can say either unless you actually worked for Topps.

A 1/1 obviously did slip through the cracks and was inserted into a pack and no amount of anyone here saying otherwise is going to change that.

I cannot comment on the other arod cards /25, /50, /99 and I am unsure if they ever commented on those cards in Beckett or not. I do know that this very card featured here was commented on in the December 2005 Baseball Beckett readers writes section.

I have verified over and over that this card was not backdoored and again no amount of people saying otherwise will change the facts.

MVPete · 02-02-2013, 03:52 PM

Can we revisit this fiasco when it's not the absolute worst time to sell arod cards?

mjbuchanan80 · 02-02-2013, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davepeters239

You cannot keep saying this card is not a 1/1 when I have provided proof that it is indeed a 1/1.

I cannot say whether Topps employees handled all 1/1 cards released in the 2005 Bowman Chrome and am unsure you can say either unless you actually worked for Topps.

A 1/1 obviously did slip through the cracks and was inserted into a pack and no amount of anyone here saying otherwise is going to change that.

I cannot comment on the other arod cards /25, /50, /99 and I am unsure if they ever commented on those cards in Beckett or not. I do know that this very card featured here was commented on in the December 2005 Baseball Beckett readers writes section.

I have verified over and over that this card was not backdoored and again no amount of people saying otherwise will change the facts.

You do not have proof that's it a 1/1 (Beckett mislabeling it a /1 is not "proof").

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davepeters239 · 02-02-2013, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjbuchanan80

You do not have proof that's it a 1/1 (Beckett mislabeling it a /1 is not "proof").

There is no mislabeling and you can look up the card on the Beckett website and that is proof.

Card Serial Number: 0004133288

bulljh · 02-02-2013, 04:03 PM

Ok, let's go another route. What are you looking for out of this card? In other words, why are you telling everyone on Blowout about it when absolutely NO ONE is on your side?

Are you trying to sell it? What in the hell are you trying to accomplish by arguing that the Rodriguez card is a 1/1?

You seem like a very sketchy individual that has obtained quite a few cards with "errors". Seems to me like you are trying to scam collectors as well as Topps. Go seek help. Please.

death2redemptions · 02-02-2013, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulljh

Ok, let's go another route. What are you looking for out of this card? In other words, why are you telling everyone on Blowout about it when absolutely NO ONE is on your side?

Are you trying to sell it? What in the hell are you trying to accomplish by arguing that the Rodriguez card is a 1/1?

You seem like a very sketchy individual that has obtained quite a few cards with "errors". Seems to me like you are trying to scam collectors as well as Topps. Go seek help. Please.

He is a scam artist ...and a very bad one

MetsFan4Life · 02-02-2013, 04:06 PM

So someone said that there would be coffee and cake

bulljh · 02-02-2013, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetsFan4Life

So someone said that there would be coffee and cake

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fakeelvis · 02-02-2013, 04:07 PM

I could care less either way but if the original owner pulled this from a pack and took the time to contact beckett about the card and received a message from topps saying to send it back and they would fix it, why in their right mind would they not do that if this was THE card to have back then? I would of much rather took the time to get what I was owed as opposed to selling a worthless card on ebay or wherever. Just saying.

continue on....

Aleister · 02-02-2013, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davepeters239

So I guess you didn't read my other post where I said I didn't really want to meet him and just wanted the card signed?

You do realize there is a good chance that if he has a bit of common sense that he might refuse to sign the card OR even worse you pay him to sign it and he signs just like every ttm or ip auto - a much larger auto on the card. Do you really think he will sign perfectly in the auto area for you? Not a chance. Then the card is ruined.

itradeerrors · 02-02-2013, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davepeters239

There is no mislabeling and you can look up the card on the Beckett website and that is proof.

Card Serial Number: 0004133288

This is a $10-$20 error card at best. Beckett mislabels cards everyday and this is one of them. For someone that says they collect errors you seem to know little to nothing about them.

I understand your big dream that this cars is valuable but it is not. Error cards similar this sell on ebay everyday. Cards missing autos and stickers are very common.

Also there is no differance in price between a similar error that was backdoored or one you got in a pack. I am a error collector and have 1000's of each.

davepeters239 · 02-02-2013, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulljh

Ok, let's go another route. What are you looking for out of this card? In other words, why are you telling everyone on Blowout about it when absolutely NO ONE is on your side?

Are you trying to sell it? What in the hell are you trying to accomplish by arguing that the Rodriguez card is a 1/1?

You seem like a very sketchy individual that has obtained quite a few cards with "errors". Seems to me like you are trying to scam collectors as well as Topps. Go seek help. Please.

My very first post in this thread was with pics I promised for the people who wanted to see them from the last thread that got out of control like this.

I am unsure why this thread gets out of control like this. I know there are quite a few posts with nothing but nonsense in them and I just ignore those but I do like to answer the people who are interested.

I am unsure why everyone cannot just accepts the facts about this card.

The facts are the card was pack inserted and not backdoored. This can be veified a number of ways. The first being the card is graded as BGS does not grade backdoored or stolen cards. The second being the original article from Beckett 2005 where a Topps spokesperson explains what happened with this very card.

I am not wrong, Beckett is not wrong and Topps is not wrong about this card and it is what it is.

I am a very honest person, if i was sketchy no one would have known and I would have had the card autographed and stickers attached years ago.

death2redemptions · 02-02-2013, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davepeters239

My very first post in this thread was with pics I promised for the people who wanted to see them from the last thread that got out of control like this.

I am unsure why this thread gets out of control like this. I know there are quite a few posts with nothing but nonsense in them and I just ignore those but I do like to answer the people who are interested.

I am unsure why everyone cannot just accepts the facts about this card.

The facts are the card was pack inserted and not backdoored. This can be veified a number of ways. The first being the card is graded as BGS does not grade backdoored or stolen cards. The second being the original article from Beckett 2005 where a Topps spokesperson explains what happened with this very card.

I am not wrong, Beckett is not wrong and Topps is not wrong about this card and it is what it is.

I am a very honest person, if i was sketchy no one would have known and I would have had the card autographed and stickers attached years ago.

When everyone says your wrong I guess that must mean you are right...

You sound vaguely similar to IMac

davepeters239 · 02-02-2013, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fakeelvis

I could care less either way but if the original owner pulled this from a pack and took the time to contact beckett about the card and received a message from topps saying to send it back and they would fix it, why in their right mind would they not do that if this was THE card to have back then? I would of much rather took the time to get what I was owed as opposed to selling a worthless card on ebay or wherever. Just saying.

continue on....

I do not know why the original owner of the card did not send it back but I can only guess it was to much trouble. As much trouble as I have went through with it I can sure understand why another might not want to go that route.

Perhaps Topps told the original person as well just to send it in and they would send whatever back without telling him what they would send in return.

That's what they did to me in the beginning when I first contacted them. They kept insisting I send it to them and they would send me something in return but would never tell me what and the way they were pressuring me I did not feel comfortable doing that.

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MVPete Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 521 pvigg001	Can we revisit this fiasco when it's not the absolute worst time to sell arod cards?

02-02-2013, 03:59 PM	#239
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02-02-2013, 04:03 PM	#241
bulljh Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sparks, NV Posts: 6,233 bulljh	Ok, let's go another route. What are you looking for out of this card? In other words, why are you telling everyone on Blowout about it when absolutely NO ONE is on your side? Are you trying to sell it? What in the hell are you trying to accomplish by arguing that the Rodriguez card is a 1/1? You seem like a very sketchy individual that has obtained quite a few cards with "errors". Seems to me like you are trying to scam collectors as well as Topps. Go seek help. Please.

02-02-2013, 04:06 PM	#243
MetsFan4Life Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Brooklyn , New York Posts: 147 EMT371170	So someone said that there would be coffee and cake