The OFFICIAL LeBron James 40,000 Points Milestone Thread

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

But the stats already say Lebron has more clutch shots at a better FG% than anyone else…

What’s the most memorable/most important clutch shot Lebron has ever made?

[hermanotarjeta]

How many opposing franchises has Bron destroyed for a decade as a result of a clutch playoff shot?

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

How many opposing franchises has Bron destroyed for decades as a result of a clutch playoff shot (besides his own)?

Literally the entire east. Stars went west to avoid him

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

Literally the entire east. Stars went west to avoid him

What clutch shot did he make?

What highlight reel will history remember Lebron for?

I can’t think of any particular basket.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Not in the Finals... 8-29 in the final 2 mins of a 1 possession game.

Interested in seeing how that stacks up against other players.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

What clutch shot did he make?

What highlight reel will history remember Lebron for?

I can’t think of any particular basket.

Multiple against the Pacers, the shot against the Bulls that stopped a healthy DRose team, multiple against the Raptors.

He has the most playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history.

We don’t have to talk about THE BLOCK

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

Multiple against the Pacers, the shot against the Bulls that stopped a healthy DRose team, multiple against the Raptors.

He has the most playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history.

We don’t have to talk about THE BLOCK

Sorry, can’t remember the significance of any of those you mentioned. Obviously nothing during the finals, except for the fine defensive play.

However, that won’t help sell cards to future generations.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

You have a hard time discerning what’s an excuse and what is just simple facts. Example: ANY 39 year old player should not be held to the same standard as they were when they were 29. This is not an excuse. This is reality.

His teams weren’t as good as the other teams. Let’s back it up with facts not excuses. They weren’t favored. Fact. Half the players he played with who thrived with him were out of the league shortly after. Fact.

It’s weird how this excuse narrative is thrown around only for LeBron. Everyone else it’s not an excuse. It’s fact? It’s just reality?

Also since when is longevity a knock on a player and not a sign of dedication. Any other player that would be looked at as a positive. Somehow it’s used as a knock to his legacy? What a shame. Missing out on something that may never happen again in our lives.

How does he get a pass due to his age when he is still holding his front office hostage by forcing them to mortgage their future now to help him? Anyone can see that what he's doing at his age in unprecedented and quite astounding. That doesn't mean he shouldn't still be held accountable for the team's play because he's the de facto #1 on the team and is the one that the team builds around.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

How does he get a pass due to his age when he is still holding his front office hostage by forcing them to mortgage their future now to help him? Anyone can see that what he's doing at his age in unprecedented and quite astounding. That doesn't mean he shouldn't still be held accountable for the team's play because he's the de facto #1 on the team and is the one that the team builds around.

Wait wait. So you really think he should have the same endurance across an entire season deep into the playoffs through a championship as younger guys in their mid 20’s? Or that he did in his 20’s? Seriously?

No. You didn’t hold MJ to that. Or any other player. You just want to find reasons to try to negate any and all accomplishments. It’s truly astounding you can’t see it.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Sorry, can’t remember the significance of any of those you mentioned. Obviously nothing during the finals, except for the fine defensive play.

However, that won’t help sell cards to future generations.

Please explain your reasoning for thinking Lebron cards won’t sell well after his retirement.

That makes no sense.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

Please explain your reasoning for thinking Lebron cards won’t sell well after his retirement.

That makes no sense.

I’ve taken my post from last week:

When thinking about investing in Lebron, you need to ask yourself - who is going to buy your Leswept cards when it’s time to let them go?

Boomers? No, they’ll put money in health insurance and long term care before buying Lebron.

Gen X? No, they’ll put money in Jordan before buying Lebron.

Gen Z? No they like Curry and tik tok.

So who’s left?

Other millennials who don’t have employment, don’t own a house, and blew all their money traveling the world. There’s no more money left to drive Leflop prices up in the future and no more points he can score on free throws gained from his supreme acting on the court after he retires.

Chances are high he will do something that hurts his legacy even more - he will be the next Lavar Ball to his sons - do you really think that is going to make his cards more desirable to other millennials?

Maybe it will - but I have no interest in taking a chance to find out. Time after time Lebron finds some way to shebop it. That’s a guarantee.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Since this is a card forum might as well celebrate by showing off some cards! This my Lebron collection

...

Bron Rookie Slabs from SGC and BGS including my best Lebron of my collection the 2003-04 Finest Refractor numbered to 250



My Bron PSA Slabs

no '03 Air Academy?

the Turkey Red looks great in the right light (outdoor on sunny day but in the shade e.g.)

Whaddya think of the '16 Court Kings?

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I’ve taken my post from last week:

When thinking about investing in Lebron, you need to ask yourself - who is going to buy your Leswept cards when it’s time to let them go?

Boomers? No, they’ll put money in health insurance and long term care before buying Lebron.

Gen X? No, they’ll put money in Jordan before buying Lebron.

Gen Z? No they like Curry and tik tok.

So who’s left?

Other millennials who don’t have employment, don’t own a house, and blew all their money traveling the world. There’s no more money left to drive Leflop prices up in the future and no more points he can score on free throws gained from his supreme acting on the court after he retires.

Chances are high he will do something that hurts his legacy even more - he will be the next Lavar Ball to his sons - do you really think that is going to make his cards more desirable to other millennials?

Maybe it will - but I have no interest in taking a chance to find out. Time after time Lebron finds some way to shebop it. That’s a guarantee.

your negativity-oriented monomaniacal weirdo take on millennials is as bad as your Bron takes

[hermanotarjeta]

The main question going forward for would be Lebron investors is - will he have the future following like Jordan, Kobe and Steph Curry?

Collectors, not just investors, have held up their markets. Are there going to be enough Lebron COLLECTORS in the future to keep his cards in demand? Or will it just be INVESTORS who are buying his cards. In terms of long term sustainability, it’s important to make that distinction.

Are most people buying Lebron cards today primarily because they want to make money off his cards, but don’t necessarily care for the guy? Prices will not sustain.

Granted, everyone’s for the most part prices have dropped since the pandemic, I can’t see any Lebron cards surpassing their pandemic peaks in the future, especially on lower demand and continually increasing supply. Certainly not for a player who is not very well liked.

[pcptrade]

FWIW....

This 1 stat shows LeBron is the most clutch NBA playoff performer of the past few decades

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/04/leb...kers-grizzlies

There are plenty of videos on YouTube (like one below) to prove that he is clutch. If you don't think he is, you are either ignorant or a hater.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

FWIW....

This 1 stat shows LeBron is the most clutch NBA playoff performer of the past few decades

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/04/leb...kers-grizzlies

There are plenty of videos on YouTube to prove that he is clutch. If you don't think he is, you are either ignorant or a hater.

Of course someone with the most playoff games in history will have the most opportunities to make shots.

If he’s so clutch, why has he lost more than he has won in the finals?

Does Lebron have any highlight that even smells the same air as Jordan against the Jazz, or versus the Cavs?

[pcptrade]

Asking for a friend again. Anything new here that has not been discussed before in the threads below?-

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1548098

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1547719

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...569831&page=38

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

@pingbling

I’d say Jordan gets the benefit of the doubt for the following reasons.

A) he played 17 games in 95 and said himself he wasn’t in basketball shape after training for baseball and
B) what followed after. A 3 peat, sweep and dismantling of the entire said Magic franchise and 2 more mvps and 3 finals mvps and 3 scoring titles.

Had he said that and then came back and didn’t deliver I would say he gets a lot of flak for it. But he backed it up.

Kind of in the same way after the decision everyone thought ok now Lebron has his help. He’s gonna own the league. Had his hand picked team. Had vets lining up to chase titles on min deals. Then Went 11-12 in Miami in 4 years against 3 different west teams. None of which were the golden state monstars.

Surely even if you disagree, you can see where a hater might draw a conclusion from that right?

And I would completely give Lebron credit and not hold it against him for losing against the spurs in 07 and the warriors in 15. He wasn’t winning in 07 his first time there at a young age and he wasn’t winning when his 2/3 best players went down.

But he didn’t have to play that way against the spurs. He was partially to blame. 22 on 36%. Not great. I remember Rick Barry on Mike and Mike the next morning talking about how much he still had to learn and he couldn’t use a pick right, etc.

And in 17, they had a better team that should’ve put up some kind of resistance.

18, no shot with no Kyrie.

So as far as wins and losses go I’d wipe off 3 losses as negatives against Lebron. 07, 15, and 18. He and nobody else could win those I don’t think under the circumstances. So I’d say those are more positives than negatives just getting there. But I say that knowing his play on some of it was less than goat worthy.

I agree with most of this. But let’s be real, mj was still in good shape. It wasn’t like he was 40 and coming off injury or something. He was still capable as he showed in those 17 games and 2 series. He had some bad games against the magic and down the stretch of game 6. Nothing more or less.

[pingbling23]

No one has had the pressure on their shoulders like Lebron since coming into the league and to win 4 titles after his poor finals against the mavs putting him into legit goat conversations as well as be regarded as the second greatest player of all time. Remember when people said he was mentally weak. You don’t do this being weak. Enjoy greatness, I sure have. I’m blessed to have watched the second half of mjs career (I wish I could have watched from the beginning) seeing him win right before the first retirement and then come back and win 3 in a row to seeing him play for the wizards and show flashes of what made him the goat. I got to watch all of Kobe’s career and while I was a “hater” I appreciate what I got to watch and what Kobe accomplished. I started off as a hater of Lebron while he was in high school and his first season in the nba. Then I actually started watching him play and saw he was different. How he approached the game and the things he could do turned me. It also changed my opinion when I saw the ill directed hate, stemming from troll insecurities, being sent his way. It wasn’t always easy standing my ground pre championships but I was comfortable with my opinion then and I’m comfortable now.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Of course someone with the most playoff games in history will have the most opportunities to make shots.

If he’s so clutch, why has he lost more than he has won in the finals?

Does Lebron have any highlight that even smells the same air as Jordan against the Jazz, or versus the Cavs?

We already went over this. He was only favored in 3 of the 10 finals matchups.

[GOATcards]

YouTube's Bron-ball-busting monomaniac

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

Why are so many people focused on post-LeBron nba or LeBron-nba eras? It’s sort of the farewell LeBron-nba era now. There is Jokic, Luka, Shai, Giannis, etc. He doesn’t have to have this stronghold on your experience with the nba. Focus on the other things if he rubs you the wrong way.

I would love to see more threads on up and coming stars, who the next dynasty may be. Which teams are following the next warriors or nuggets trajectory, etc. It seems bigger stories in the 2023-2024 thread just get swept under the rug or not the attention they deserve. But these threads just drone on and on.

I still say when he’s done, people who hate him may appreciate him more. Even players I wasn’t a huge fan of I was sad to see go. Realized after they stopped playing what they brought to the game. End of eras make me sad.

Appreciate him while you can. If anyone hasn't seen LeBron in person, I'd recommend it.

And the good thing about LeBron is, he still shows flashes of "Prime LeBron." It's not like he's averaging 10 points and only playing 15 mpg like a lot of other stars towards the end. Somehow he's still a top 10 player who can blow by a majority of players and act like a freight train on the fast break.

[hermanotarjeta]

I think I finally understand the difference in opinion on Lebron.

Outstanding individual player - one of the most durable, enduring and skilled of all time.

However, since basketball is a team sport and relies on more than one player, Bron is not considered one of the best team players of all time, as even though he is almost always the most talented individual on the court (top 10 even at the age of 40), he can’t translate that ability to winning for his team consistently in the finals, or even during the regular season at times, for that matter. Inferior players collectively defeat him more often than not.

Everyone happy with that?

[Braswell10]

Lebron just got his 68th player of the week. The next closest is Kobe with 33. Lebron has 40 player of the month awards, the next closest is Kobe with 17. Crazy.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I think I finally understand the difference in opinion on Lebron.

Outstanding individual player - one of the most durable, enduring and skilled of all time.

However, since basketball is a team sport and relies on more than one player, Bron is not considered one of the best team players of all time, as even though he is almost always the most talented individual on the court (top 10 even at the age of 40), he can’t translate that ability to winning for his team consistently in the finals, or even during the regular season at times, for that matter. Inferior players collectively defeat him more often than not.

Everyone happy with that?

youre getting warmer but criticizing his ability to win is an odd one when he will have the most wins of anybody of all time (regular season and playoffs) and has more titles as the best player then everyone but mj and probably bill russell if the award was available. wouldnt that mean hes one of the greatest winners weve seen?