First Buzz: 2023 Topps Heritage baseball cards

[DarcyWinston]

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

How are you supposed to remember things when you are not cognizant?

I fig'd you were at least 5 or 6 when 2016 rolled out

Badda bing badda boom.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

The 1974 design is bland and generic.

I take this back. I really like the look of these cards now that I have seen my PC guys.

[DarcyWinston]

The red ink Schmidt auto on Twitter looks amazing,

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by DarcyWinston

Chromes are 1:73 and action variations are 1:68. I’m old enough to remember getting one of each in nearly every box.

In the 2000's you used to get 4-5 Chromes per box....

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Jolten Joe

yes because they don't have regular base cards. 282 base is Gleyber Torres 282 SP is Volpe. They basically are like the Topps Series 1&2 HOF SP's where they are photo variation SP's.

The whole idea of making the top rookies case hit SP's is beyond idiotic, since it makes it almost impossible to build a master set.

Topps/Fanatics seems to have forgotten (or just no longer care) that Heritage has always been primarily a set-builders product.

Now they've turned it into just another hit-based product designed for gamblers/breakers....

[bub838]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

I take this back. I really like the look of these cards now that I have seen my PC guys.

After watching some box breaks, I have to agree. I wasn't warm on the design but now that I've seen them I think they look great.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The whole idea of making the top rookies case hit SP's is beyond idiotic, since it makes it almost impossible to build a master set.

Topps/Fanatics seems to have forgotten (or just no longer care) that Heritage has always been primarily a set-builders product.

Now they've turned it into just another hit-based product designed for gamblers/breakers....

Hmm -- I remember Ohtani's 2018 Heritage base card being SP.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Hmm -- I remember Ohtani's 2018 Heritage base card being SP.

That was an action variation - his RC was in HHN at regular print.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by mfw13

In the 2000's you used to get 4-5 Chromes per box....

Of course, back then they were numbered to the actual year (i.e. 1956) not to #/999.

[MattKC]

Live on topps @ $89/box and $999/case

[mfw13]

Here's how to make a sensible hobby box that provides decent value:

8 SP's
3 each of New Age Performers, Then & Now, Flashbacks, News Flashbacks
1 regular chrome
1 chrome parallel (i.e. refractor, color, etc.)
1 action variation
1 "box hit"....i.e. auto or other scarce variation/mini/SSP

Get rid of relics and cut the SP's back to 50 subjects (i.e. 10% of the checklist).

Every pack would have something other than base cards, and the SP set and inserts would be much easier to complete.

[Jolten Joe]

If they did that boxes would be over $100

you are basically wanting all the good stuff for the same price they charge now.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Oops -- I counted dual and triple rookie cards as separate cards. Here's the correct tally:

MLB qualified rookies / total players used in a game = percentage of players that are rookies

2022: 239 / 1,495 = 15.98%

2016: 195 / 1,353 = 14.41%

2012: 188 / 1,284 = 14.64%


Topps Heritage year: rookies cards / total base cards = percentage of base cards that are rookie cards

2023: 110 / 500 = 22%

2022: 54 (4 triple RCs) / 500 = 10.8% (62 total rookies depicted)

2017: 25 (all dual) / 500 = 5% (50 total rookies depicted)

Fair enough. I guess being a Guardians fan and seeing a new pitcher every week, it felt like players were constantly being called up at a much higher rate than past years but I can't argue against the qualified rookie stat.

I'm still not sure that adding 50+ rookies to the checklist is a move to allure investors. Maybe. Some guys take several years to pan out so you can possibly catch lightening in a bottle if someone really breaks out and only has a Heritage rookie. You also have the one-and-dones who in prior seasons may have never had an MLB card, period. So a Heritage rookie could be their only card I suppose, but outside of team collectors those may not be of much interest.

Flagship is the most appropriate product to dump the lower interest rookies. Aside from Heritage and Flagship, most products are entirely too small to take up that much real estate with low level rookies. I can see why Heritage is more sacred to collectors.

[wood minis]

Looking for an Adley Rutschman black refractor.

I know I'm not alone in this search, but hit me up if you want to go direct.

[FatButcher]

For those who ordered from BO, apparently they are planning on receiving these tomorrow and then shipping out ASAP. So maybe Saturday or Monday delivery?

[bd3d86]

If you are opening a case in hopes of a master set.....good luck. I have doubles and triples of some SP's and am well short of a master. I used to be spot on with SP's (except for the purple hot which usually gave me doubles).

People pre-selling might have some issues.

[DarcyWinston]

I see two players numbered 327 Chafin and Wong. Assuming this is a Topps screw up and not a variation of some kind. Back numbers both end in 31.

[Jolten Joe]

Originally Posted by DarcyWinston

I see two players numbered 327 Chafin and Wong. Assuming this is a Topps screw up and not a variation of some kind. Back numbers both end in 31.

PICS ?

[Jolten Joe]

I know people love Adley but could they have found an uglier photo for the image variation ? lol

[DarcyWinston]

Originally Posted by Jolten Joe

PICS ?

Here you go.

[Pixman1]

Using Tapatalk for a better photo.


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[Jolten Joe]

that is a awesome patch card even though it's the Astros

[DarcyWinston]

Originally Posted by Jolten Joe

that is a awesome patch card even though it's the Astros

It’s out of 441,000 packs and I live in Texas I won’t have a problem moving this.

[bub838]

Working through my case, but hit both Volpe and Senga so far.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by bd3d86

If you are opening a case in hopes of a master set.....good luck. I have doubles and triples of some SP's and am well short of a master. I used to be spot on with SP's (except for the purple hot which usually gave me doubles).

People pre-selling might have some issues.

It used to be spot on up until 2-3 years ago for me (been doing Heritage by the case(s) since 2013). Last couple of years I've had a case or two with some trips and about 64-68 unique SPs, a case or two with about 76-80 unique SPs, and a case or two that remained near perfect with the exception of the PHB. It's been all over the board. You genuinely have to do two cases to get the master these days. It's frustrating when you start duping SPs in box 4 that I can tell you...